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#672414 - 10/27/13 03:27 PM Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC
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Sandra Roberts just elected as President of SECC.
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#672415 - 10/27/13 03:38 PM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: Tom Wetmore]
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sure hope everyone gives her their support!
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#672416 - 10/27/13 03:40 PM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: Tom Wetmore]
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That's awesome Tom, and I agree Pam.
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#672461 - 10/27/13 05:15 PM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: Tom Wetmore]
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This will not end well. It's a direct challenge to the authority of the world Church. Other Conferences and Unions will soon follow. Every Church for themself...

http://ordinationtruth.com/

Ted Wilson has instructed the Conference that she will not be recognized as President. I'll stand with the General Conference on this issue as they follow the Church Manual, bylaws and instructions.


Edited by ClubV12 (10/27/13 05:42 PM)

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#672470 - 10/27/13 06:01 PM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: ClubV12]
LifeHiscost Online   usa



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Originally Posted By: ClubV12
This will not end well. It's a direct challenge to the authority of the world Church. Other Conferences and Unions will soon follow. Every Church for themself...

http://ordinationtruth.com/

Ted Wilson has instructed the Conference that she will not be recognized as President. I'll stand with the General Conference on this issue as they follow the Church Manual, bylaws and instructions.


I'm with you,ClubV12.

http://secretsunsealed.org/Downloads/Spiritual.Formation.paper.pdf

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Spiritual Formation
:
Something to think about
And as he sat upon the Mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately,
saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? And what
shall be
the sign of thy
coming, and of the end of the world? And Jesus an
swered and said unto them,
Take
heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ;
and shall deceive many
.
(Matthew 24:3
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5 KJV)
"By now enough water has gone under the Christian Spiritual Formation Bridge that
we can give some assessment of where we have come and what yet needs to be
done. When I first began writing in the field in the late 70s and early 80s the term
"Spiritual Formation" was hardly known,
except for highly specialized references in
relation to the Catholic
orders.
Today it is a rare person who has not heard the term.
Seminary courses in Spiritual Formation proliferate like baby rabbits. Huge numbers
are seeking to become certified as Spiritual Directors to answer the cry of multiplied
thousands for spiritual
direction
.”
Spiritual Formation, A Pastoral Letter by Richard
Foster

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“It is a backsliding church that lessens the distance between itself and the Papacy.”
Signs of
the Times February 19, 1894
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#672548 - 10/27/13 09:49 PM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: Tom Wetmore]
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Shaking!
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#672573 - 10/27/13 10:38 PM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: Tom Wetmore]
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So.....the Bible supports a female Vice President but not a female Conference President. Clearly this is not about scripture but it is about policy and politricks.
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#672582 - 10/27/13 11:33 PM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: ClubV12]
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Originally Posted By: ClubV12
This will not end well. It's a direct challenge to the authority of the world Church. Other Conferences and Unions will soon follow. Every Church for themself...

http://ordinationtruth.com/

Ted Wilson has instructed the Conference that she will not be recognized as President. I'll stand with the General Conference on this issue as they follow the Church Manual, bylaws and instructions.



I'm with you CV12
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#672584 - 10/27/13 11:57 PM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: Tom Wetmore]
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Lazarus says,
"...it is about policy and politricks."

That is essentially correct Lazarus, it is about corporate policy, rules, laws at this point. The biblical principles involved are still within the study committee appointed to review the laws in question. Some folks don't want to wait for the report, so they are now in open defiance of the rules of the World Church.

Rebellion or freedom fighters? Choose carefully who you support going forward. Spiritually speaking, this will be a life and death issue for some.


Edited by ClubV12 (10/27/13 11:58 PM)

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#672589 - 10/28/13 12:31 AM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: ClubV12]
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Spiritually speaking, this will be a life and death issue for some.


Hmmm........following the Holy Spirits guidance will keep a person safe, long as they are in continual contact with the God. That relationship is what everyone needs! It is not for us to judge another persons walk with God. Tis far better to belong inside the fold of Christs 'church'.

No need for panic!
peace
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#672591 - 10/28/13 12:40 AM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: ClubV12]
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Originally Posted By: ClubV12
This will not end well. It's a direct challenge to the authority of the world Church. Other Conferences and Unions will soon follow. Every Church for themself...

http://ordinationtruth.com/

Ted Wilson has instructed the Conference that she will not be recognized as President. I'll stand with the General Conference on this issue as they follow the Church Manual, bylaws and instructions.

I will also stand with the world church on this issue. This rebellion has been permitted to go too far already.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

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#672592 - 10/28/13 12:45 AM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: Green Cochoa]
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Who is Sandra Roberts?? What is her background?
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#672594 - 10/28/13 12:53 AM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: CoAspen]
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Tis far better to belong inside the fold of Christs 'church'.


And that would be which one of those which you might be thinking?

"I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me, even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd. For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I may take it again."John 10:14-17 NASB

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According to the Center for the Study of Global Christianity (CSGC) at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, there are approximately 41,000 Christian denominations and organizations in the world. This statistic takes into consideration cultural distinctions of denominations in different countries, so there is overlapping of many denominations.
Center for the Study of Global Christianity (2011)


God cares! peace
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#672595 - 10/28/13 12:59 AM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: Tom Wetmore]
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Jesus has instructed the Church to "judge" on this earth as well as the Kingdom to come, where the Saints will judge men and angels.

We cannot judge motive or the heart, we are called specifically to judge actions deemed in violation of Church law (open sin) and take appropriate action, as outlined in the Church Manual. Those instructions and laws may change as new light is discovered, studied and approved by the World body.

The General Conference has taken a position that "judges" this action of the SECC to be in violation of the "law" of the World Church. Call it what you will, the fact remains, this is exactly the position they are in now, violation of Church law. It is the duty and responsibility of the G.C., AND THE MEMBERSHIP, to respond accordingly.

The ball is now in North American Division's court. They will very soon have to take a decisive position on this (as will all members of the world Church). This is very serious issue that could lead to a split within the Church at the highest levels.

Since we are told the Church will appear as about to fall, perhaps this is the beginning of the fulfillment of prophecy? In that regard, it's good news, another sign we are drawing closer to the end and these things must come to pass.

Get ready, get ready...

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#672596 - 10/28/13 01:00 AM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: Jeannieb43]
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Originally Posted By: Jeannieb43
Who is Sandra Roberts?? What is her background?

The sad thing is that, in a way, it almost doesn't matter. For some folk, the fact that she has ovaries makes *any* consideration of her actual qualities, skills, beliefs and fitness for the role irrelevant.

Leaving that aside, here's a quick bio from Adventist Today:

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Roberts has served as the second-ranking administrative officer for the conference since 2004. For five years prior to that she was director of young adult ministries for the conference and from 1995 to 2000 she was a pastor at the Corona (California) Church. She served as chaplain for the church school in Loma Linda from 1992 to 1995 and prior to that as director of the conference's youth camp. She was called to the conference from Central California in 1987 where she was Bible teacher at Modesto Adventist Academy. She started denominational employment in 1982 as a teacher at Cedar Lake Academy in the Michigan Conference. Roberts has a master's degree from Andrews University and a Doctor of Ministry degree from the Claremont School of Theology. She is the daughter of Adventist missionaries and has spent considerable time traveling around the world.


Edited by Bravus (10/28/13 01:03 AM)
Edit Reason: More detail
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#672599 - 10/28/13 04:53 AM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: Green Cochoa]
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There is an interesting 1995 article in MINISTRY magazine which can be found as follows:

https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/1995/04/the-rise-and-fall-of-adventist-women-in-leadership

It should be noted that in 1900, during the time that EGW was alive, there was a female President of the Iowa Conference.

I wonder why we have no record of EGW objecting to that.

Maybe because she approved of Flora Plummer becoming the Acting Iowa Conference President?
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#672625 - 10/28/13 09:43 AM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: Gregory Matthews]
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Thanks Gregory for this insight.
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#672643 - 10/28/13 10:50 AM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: Tom Wetmore]
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"...there was a female President of the Iowa Conference."

A bit misleading Gregory, from the article she was an acting President due to the President being called away for a time.

This is consistent with Ellen Whites counsel concerning women heading up Churches as well. In some circumstances this is acceptable. We see this principle applied in scripture as well with women taking traditional male rolls under certain and extreme conditions. Such examples are often employed to make a case for women being in the highest leadership rolls without consideration given to the extreme circumstances under which they served.

Sister White offers practical solutions to very real problems that come up from time to time in various ways. There are always exceptions to a given rule. Principles need to be applied.

Ellen White refused to involve herself in the womens movements of her time, even though being urged to do so. I find her counsel on the roll of women balanced, practical and worthy of study. I don't find anything in her counsel suggesting women should routinely rise to the level of Pastor of a Church or to a Presidential position.

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#672651 - 10/28/13 11:21 AM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: Gregory Matthews]
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Tacit approval. The silence of strong counsel from God through her against women in ministry and WO when it was a real issue openly discussed is very telling.
This article is a very important summary of the history of the role of women in our Church.

Over and over in discussions on this forum we have been reminded of the lack of knowledge of that history. As the author concludes the article:

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Is it possible that many Seventh-day Adventists today have forgotten—or never had the chance to learn—about the church's rich and innovative history when Adventist women were welcomed as more equal partners in the church's life, decision-making posts, and gospel mission?


What a difference it could make if those claiming to be "historic Adventists" that are opposed to WO, and even women in ministry, actually had the foundation in our history that their self-proclaimed title suggests.
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"Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal."
"I love God only as much as the person I love the least."
*Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth.
(And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)

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#672652 - 10/28/13 11:30 AM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: ClubV12]
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Originally Posted By: ClubV12
"...there was a female President of the Iowa Conference."

A bit misleading Gregory, from the article she was an acting President due to the President being called away for a time.



You misunderstand. The President was called to serve in another conference, not temporarily, or as you say, "for a time". He was not coming back. So until a successor was chosen, she as the Conference Secretary, became the acting president.

But I think it very important that everyone read the whole article. The prominence of women in leadership and the gospel ministry in our early history while EGW was alive was substantial. There was a steady decline after the death of the woman prophet.
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"Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good."
"Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal."
"I love God only as much as the person I love the least."
*Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth.
(And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)

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#672660 - 10/28/13 11:53 AM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: Tom Wetmore]
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"Temporary" is the correct term, she was never elected, she was in office for a time due to unusual circumstances.

The examples we see, continually, concerning women in leadership rolls typically involve extraordinary circumstances. This is consistent with Sister Whites practical counsel on such matters, not just related to women. Such counsel concerning extraordinary circumstances would apply to a wide range of principles. Like your ox falling in the ditch on Sabbath. EVERY Sabbath? You really need to fix the fence...

It is also consistent with the many and varied biblical examples. I believe it is misleading to then use these extraordinary circumstances as an example of authorization as the norm for any principal.

Tom says, "The silence of strong counsel from God through her against women in ministry and WO when it was a real issue openly discussed is very telling."
The silence of strong counsel in approval of women in headship rolls is also very telling!

Personally I don't use the examples of her silence on any issue to determine what her position was or was not. The daily. The Holy Spirit. The 144,000. Whether James or Uriah were right about Daniel 11:45. These are all examples of silence. Yet, folks continue to see something beyond silence and infer some meaning. I see, "silence".

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#672662 - 10/28/13 11:59 AM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: Tom Wetmore]
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Ellen White often refused to comment or share an opinion on some subject. She told the Church to go to the bible, reason it out. There will be new light, consider it carefully, don't rely on her gift to resolve everything.

Let the G.C. committee do it's job is the proper and right thing as it concerns respect and honoring those appointed over us by our Lord. He IS in control.

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#672665 - 10/28/13 12:03 PM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: ClubV12]
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Originally Posted By: ClubV12

Let the G.C. committee do it's job is the proper and right thing as it concerns respect and honoring those appointed over us by our Lord. He IS in control.


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#672671 - 10/28/13 01:46 PM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: CoAspen]
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Originally Posted By: CoAspen


No need for panic!
peace


Indeed.
This is not a life and death issue. Gun crime in our cities is a life or death issue.

It is rather ironic that the SDA church, which has a woman as its most influential figure (for some more influential than Jesus!), has found itself in a position where it will not recognize the election of a female president of one of its regions but has elected a female vice-president of the world church. How can church policy allow a GC vice-president to be a female and not allow a conference president to be female. Ridiculous. It's ok to have female body parts at GC but not SECC.

The ball is certainly in the NAD's court. I hope Dan Jackson will allow Ella Simmons to escort President Sandra Roberts to her seat at the first session of NAD meetings.
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#672672 - 10/28/13 01:48 PM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: ClubV12]
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Originally Posted By: ClubV12

Let the G.C. committee do it's job is the proper and right thing as it concerns respect and honoring those appointed over us by our Lord. He IS in control.


If the committee comes back and says that women can be ordained, will you accept what the Lord has said through the committee?


Edited by lazarus (10/28/13 02:52 PM)
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#672676 - 10/28/13 02:41 PM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: ClubV12]
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A bit misleading Gregory, from the article she was an acting President due to the President being called away for a time.


1) The Iowa Conference President was permantly gone, not just for a time.

2) The term "acting president" in common parlance applies to the person who has the full powers of the office but is expected to be replaced at a later time. E.G. The last time the church we attended was without a pastor, we had an Acting Pastor. That person had the full powers of the congregational pastor but served for a limited time until replaced.


Flora Plummer had the full powers of the President of the Iowa Conference and held those until she was replaced by another person.

In regard to her being Acting, I was not misleading.

In regard to the Iowa Conference President, you were misinformed as he was permantly gone.
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#672677 - 10/28/13 02:45 PM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: ClubV12]
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You say that I was misleading as Ms. Plummer was the Acting President.

That is exactly what I said, she was an Acting President.

Here is my quote:

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It should be noted that in 1900, during the time that EGW was alive, there was a female President of the Iowa Conference.

I wonder why we have no record of EGW objecting to that.

Maybe because she approved of Flora Plummer becoming the Acting Iowa Conference President?


NOTE my last sentence where I called her an Acting President.
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#672700 - 10/28/13 05:40 PM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: Tom Wetmore]
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So noted Gregory, "acting". Also noted "maybe" Ellen White approved. A stretch that alludes, leads people to believe, misleads them to think, that in some way she approves of womens ordination and headship.

We now see fully the "fruit" of these kinds of continual statments, inferrences and examples citing Ellen White as supportive of womens ordination. Disregard for the authority of the G.C. Open rebellion. Unapologetic. The fruit is now ripe, behold the labors of such work.

A lie, by the definition of Sister White is even the truth told in such a way as to deceive or mislead. A wave of the hand, a nod of the head, done to mislead or deceive, are lies.

I have always said and will say again, "I support the authority of the G.C. in all regards." What ever their ultimate decision is on ordination, I will accept it.

I am not "willing to die over this issue" as some have claimed they are. I am not going to quit the Church, as some have said they will. I will not quit paying tithe, as some have already done. I will not post rumors and gossip that will mislead people and drive them to open rebellion over this issue.


Edited by ClubV12 (10/28/13 05:42 PM)

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#672707 - 10/28/13 06:18 PM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: ClubV12]
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When I asked a question and used the word "Maybe" I was clearly speculating and no one would reasonably consider it otherwise. That is fair.
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#672710 - 10/28/13 06:38 PM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: Tom Wetmore]
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This issue is so biased toward womens ordination and disrespect for authority of the Church no one would reasonably conclude other than the use of the words like "maybe" in this context are gaurenteed to add fuel to the fire of the rebellion we now see!

I would urge everyone to be carefull going forward. It may well be that the G.C. will NOT approve womens ordination, then what will you do? What will you say? What does it mean of those who have said they are willing to die in support of womens ordination and/or leadership at the highest levels? Will you accept the decision of the G.C. on this issue, or will you continue to insist they change?

Israel wanted a King, and God gave them one. Be careful what you ask for.

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#672733 - 10/28/13 07:49 PM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: Tom Wetmore]
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Given the obvious and oft sounded restrictions urged by the world church, on what biblical grounds does SECC appoint their newest test case? SECC knows exactly how much the world church is offended by their autonomous actions. They simply don't care because they seem convinced that nothing will be done about it.

And if the church is split…what do they care?
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#672743 - 10/28/13 08:07 PM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: olger]
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I've looked in many Adventist publications, but for some reason I have not read any word of the World Church being offended! Can we see a few articles out there that actually confirms that opinion? Because at this point its only an opinion!
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#672750 - 10/28/13 08:25 PM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: Tom Wetmore]
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Thats not surprising PK. For some reason our Church literature, by and large, has been exceedingly "pro W.O.". Where as it should be obvious to all that the G.C.'s position has never waivered from, "Let the committee do it's job".

Ted Wilson was certainly offended, and he speaks for the World Church. I doubt that any articles opposing or offering a different view would even be allowed publication. The people and the editors seem to be in a "rule or ruin" mode.


Edited by ClubV12 (10/28/13 08:31 PM)

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#672780 - 10/28/13 09:20 PM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: ClubV12]
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Originally Posted By: ClubV12
Thats not surprising PK. For some reason our Church literature, by and large, has been exceedingly "pro W.O.". Where as it should be obvious to all that the G.C.'s position has never waivered from, "Let the committee do it's job".

Ted Wilson was certainly offended, and he speaks for the World Church. I doubt that any articles opposing or offering a different view would even be allowed publication. The people and the editors seem to be in a "rule or ruin" mode.


Succinct.
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#672781 - 10/28/13 09:20 PM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: Bravus]
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Thank you, Bravus, for your reply outlining Sandra Roberts' qualifications for the position of president. Very interesting, and very illuminating, I'd say.
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#672785 - 10/28/13 09:22 PM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: Tom Wetmore]
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Roberts has been the executive secretary of SECC since November 2004, and the first woman to be elected as an officer of the conference. Roberts earned a Doctor of Ministry degree, with emphasis in spiritual formation, from the Claremont School of Theology. She holds an ordained/commissioned minister credential from SECC.
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#672790 - 10/28/13 09:26 PM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: pkrause]
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Originally Posted By: pkrause
I've looked in many Adventist publications, but for some reason I have not read any word of the World Church being offended! Can we see a few articles out there that actually confirms that opinion? Because at this point its only an opinion!


Adventist publications originating in America are slanted towards WO.

You may recall, Pete, that prior to the 2010 GC Session, the thirteen division presidents were asked if they wanted WO on the agenda. Nine said no, two said yes, and two were undecided (I believe).

rejoice always!


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#672803 - 10/28/13 09:40 PM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: olger]
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Originally Posted By: olger
Originally Posted By: pkrause
I've looked in many Adventist publications, but for some reason I have not read any word of the World Church being offended! Can we see a few articles out there that actually confirms that opinion? Because at this point its only an opinion!


Adventist publications originating in America are slanted towards WO.

You may recall, Pete, that prior to the 2010 GC Session, the thirteen division presidents were asked if they wanted WO on the agenda. Nine said no, two said yes, and two were undecided (I believe).

rejoice always!


G
I'm guessing that we're speaking of the USAs 13 divisions? In that case I find it very hard to accept that our publications are slanted towards WO!! I receive a number of our mags and don't see that at all.
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#672807 - 10/28/13 09:45 PM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: pkrause]
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The world church has 13 divisions.
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#672813 - 10/28/13 09:51 PM Re: Sandra Roberts Elected President of SECC [Re: olger]
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Please olger, no more selfies...
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