Sky,

Really I've made it very plain but most will not do it. The merits of Christ are imparted of course, but not unless we do something after His drawing us to Him. That something is falling on Jesus the Rock and being broken, humbled of self pride and our will. We must become malleable clay in our potters hands or He will not come in and take up abode in us and be the overcoming master and power we need to be overcomers. The old man must die that He can make of us a new man in Him. We then become His building with our cooperation.

Attaining to righteousness is what is expected of us, we can't come close to that unless we have died and come up a new man strengthened by Him. Everyone these days wants to compromise on what our part is and it just can't be done.. Any compromise is completely out of the question. Salvation only is His way and FEW He has let us know will find it. The mule in a man must be broken to not be rebellious all the time but willing all the time to do and heed the masters voice and will.

This "new age theology and false gospel saved in sin has very deep roots and hard to get pulled and in most cases will not, because of not willing to be broken. Coo, cco, coo is all you hear but no following our great exemplar.

Sow nothing, do nothing, reap nothing!

Sin is a destroying weed that must be dug out in this time as when we are resurrected it will still be in the heart and soul and the second resurrection will be the prize.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Gibs, it is the righteousness of Christ that is to be imputed and imparted to us. The merits of Christ are the means by which this is to be accomplished. We must daily apply to the merits of Christ if there is any hope for His righteousness to be imputed and imparted to us. (F.W.86)

Mrs. White has made this quite clear. She speaks of "the faith that lays right hold upon the merits of the blood of a crucified and risen Saviour to bring Christ's righteousness into your life. Clothed with the righteousness of Christ and not your own righteousness, you will not depend upon what you can do or what you will do," (F.W.65,66) for "Christ's righteousness accomplishes everything," (F.W.27) as it is "made manifest in obedience to all the commandments of God." T.M.92.

"Righteousness is obedience to the law. The law demands righteousness. This the sinner owes to the law, but he is incapable of rendering it. The only way he can ATTAIN to RIGHTEOUSNESS--obedience to the law--is through FAITH. By faith he can bring to God the merits of Christ." F.W.101.

There is no condition except that we present our case--helpless case-before God pleading the merits of the blood shed for us upon Calvary's cross. (F.W.105)

This is the faith that opens before us all the treasures of God's grace.

sky

It's a sad day in Christianity - when the question is posed - What is the Gospel? ANd we have to have a long list of EGW quotes soley in answer to it. Surely it should not be that complicated of a question.

<Partial credit to CoA for his determined effort to bring us back to scriptures.>

Really! Gibs keeps derailing every thread with his works regimen gospel.

He would be a good spokesman for Nike – ‘just do it’

I could see him wearing LeBron’s new t-shirt – ‘Earned not given’ which is the perfect catch-phrase for his false gospel.

The good news of the gospel is that all mankind has been saved and it is offered to all as a FREE gift. It’s a shame that so few believe it.

cheddar,

You seem to lay aside the truth of the matter for a it is just handed to me and I can continue in sin.

No to continue in sin will reap you what you have sown. Death.

Eze 18:31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

You are refusing to take what He gives you to obtain eternal life.

You will not surrender and be broken. Self, your will, pride and your spirit broken falling on Jesus the Rock. The old man must be killed daily and you are a new creature with Him now as your master, you are not your own, you are His and His Will is now your will and your love has become as His Love. Those commandments are now your love to do as is His.

Ro 6:1 ¶ What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Ro 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Ro 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Ro 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Ro 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Ro 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

All, not just Cheddar, Hear ye the word of God, it is not just believe and you are saved continuing in sin. Sin must be killed in you, He will help you to do it but if he was going to do it all He would have done that and wouldn't have needed to come and die.

You are playing for keeps here so wake up and live, it is His Way and not man's way in sin! His way is your victory over sining.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Good points, Robert, in your post #553050. Sadly, it is laced with a potent poison, making the whole lot poisoned and therefore anti-Gospel (I highlighted the poison part in red):

The poison part tells us, UNLESS MAN RECIPROCATES the legal justification Christ obtained for all men, that justification cannot become effective individually.

Scriptures say we had been JUSTIFIED FREELY by Faith OF Christ (Rom 3:24; Gal 2:16). A person, by Faith IN Christ, needs to believe he has been and is being justified, instead of he must first believe so that he can be justified.

How can justification be FREE when "reciprocating" is needed and required before it can be yours?

Again, the gospel is what Christ did in our humanity, 2000 years ago. If any of you think you can add to Christ's perfect work then you belong to the antichrist.

God justified all men by Christ's doing & dying....That happened 2000 years ago. But since agape can't force, we need to accept that truth in whatever light that comes to us....

You’re the one continuing in sin – with your unbelief of truth.

The good news is that Jesus has saved all men (i.e. every man, woman and child who has ever lived) and even if you don’t believe that and it’ still a fact.

You have no good news to offer the unwashed masses – what’s your good news? If we maintain some level of legalistic performance then somehow we’re saved. That sounds like crappy news to me.

Your old covenant logic is so easy to beat. I can do it with one question.

Gibs, are you saved today? That’s a yes or no question so no EGW quotes required.

Someone who actually has a relationship with Jesus Christ can answer that question easily. Someone who trusts in the ten commandments will have a hard time answering yes to that.

So what is it, are you saved or not?

So, if one does not accept God justified him 2000 years ago, the justification God did for him becomes ineffective that's why "reciprocating" is required? If your answer is Yes, then your teaching is anti-gospel.

What God had done can NOT, by any human, be undone.

We have all been justified and are being justified: there remains no reason why we cannot become overcomers. If anyone does not overcome and ends up being rewarded with God's wrath and ultimately the lake of fire, he has no one else to blame, but his own self. Not that the justification done for him became ineffective, rather, it is because despite his being justified and is always being justified, he still REFUSED to become an overcomer.

No, you are teaching the heresy of universalism, which states all men will be saved.....Christ has done it all, do you believe? You have a choice! Reject it or not....If you reject Christ as your righteousness then you will have to stand before the law. Do you know what the law will say to you in the judgment? You must die....That means no heaven for you. Why? You didn't accept what Christ did for you.....

Your first sentence shows you don't know what you are talking about. Universalism teaches that no matter what, heaven is the final destiny of all. If you had read my posts, then you know I don't teach the same. Sorry, but your subsequent statements do not merit my time. Just read my previous posts.

Funny, you cannot answer the question on the issue you raised yourself. But I won't press the issue, brother. Since I don't beat a fallen foe, how much more a fallen brother?

Two comments here however - If all are saved - then why would it matter what they believed. Also - if it is offered - then the requirement is that it must be accepted in order to be received.

The good news of the gospel is that all men were saved by Jesus when he paid the penalty for sin on the cross. Jesus was referred to as the second Adam which means that just as all of humanity was in the first Adam when he sinned, so also all of humanity was in Christ when he lived a perfect life, paid the penalty for sin on the cross and was raised from the grave.

What Christ did 2000 years ago does not become effectual until we first hear the good news of salvation and then believe the good news. Even people who have never heard the name of Jesus are still influenced by the Holy Spirit and depending on their acceptance or resistance of the Sprit’s influence will determine their eventual fate. Once the good news is accepted and believed our job from that point on is to continue to believe. All of Satan’s temptations are attacks on our faith.

The gospel is a balancing act between what Christ did 2000 years ago for all men and what he does today in the life of each believer. Jesus did not ask if he could save me 2000 years ago he just did it but he does ask us today thru the Holy Spirit to accept that salvation thru faith. ‘Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.’ Rev. 3:20

Woody,

All descendants of Adam and Eve were saved from sin, no one exempted nor left out, and on the cross were all transformed into the body of Christ and enabled to become overcomers. This is God's work FOR man: all grace, not a single iota of human participation. This is in the first dimension of the gospel.

In the 2nd dimension, God continually justifies man by not imputing current sins committed since these had been long forgiven on the cross and man therefore has no burden of sin while he fights to overcome evil with good. God now works IN man through the Holy Spirit, and man needs to positively respond to His leading and live a life of an overcomer. An overcomer is one who when faced with the opportunity to commit sin refuses to commit the same sin again and do good instead.

In the 3rd dimension, only overcomers will not be blotted out from the book of life and will be rewarded with eternal life when the Savior comes again. All others will be rewarded with the wrath of God and ultimately suffer in the lake of fire.

The gospel can be easily understood when viewed in its 3 dimensions.

Yes. Requirement for salvation is that we believe.

Salvation from sin does not depend on whether you believe in it or not. God through Christ saved ALL from sin. And that is EFFECTUAL whether Robert, Woody and Samie do not believe in it. Biblical Proof:

1. Christ came to save sinners. 1 Tim 1:15
2. All sinned, therefore all are sinners. Rom 3:23

Since all are sinners and Christ came to save sinners, therefore, He came to save all. This is why God is called the Savior of all men (1 Tim 4:10).

Yes, God has saved all men. But all men have not accepted it:

Re 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Re 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
Re 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
Re 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Re 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Gibs - it don't mean what you are thinkin' :)

Don't you just love 'text splatter'!!

I am glad you believe God has saved all men from sin. And I, too believe, as you do, that not everybody accepted that fact. But whether they accepted it or not, it is effectual and remains a fact they had been saved from sin.

I am not really sure what you mean by attaching my name in the quote. But if you meant that I made the statement you quoted, brother, I would suggest you review your source post again and prove to yourself I was not the one who originated that statement.

Ah come on Woody, Jesus never said anything He didn't mean and Mean What He Said.

Yes those sciptures are straight forth, no interpretation needed.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

So sorry Samie. My error. It was cheddar. But I was really trying hard to agree with you. It just didn't happen correctly.

Well - I disagree with you. I believe that ALL scripture needs to be interpreted.

Apologies accepted, brother. And am glad we agree on the truth as it is in Scriptures.