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	Kirsten Stendahl, a one-time dean of Harvard Divinity School wrote a couple of articles in the very early 60s.They have been preserved in "Paul Among Jews and Gentiles." Later writers such as James Dunn, N.T. Wright, and E.P. Sanders followed, more or less, in his footsteps. Stendahl laid the egg that others hatched. His main point is that Protestantism has made a serious error in interpreting theology in the same vein as Luther. Luther and Paul had very different "conversion" experiences. As a result, Luther's  understanding of Paul is seriously flawed. Due to Luther's outsized influence on Protestantism, the church traveled a wrong path, even to this day.  One example of this wrong path is Luther's understanding of the roll of law in the Christian life. Luther held that the roll of the law is to bring guilt down upon people. This guilt drives them to Christ for salvation. This is known as the 2nd use of the law in Reformation theology. 
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	Stendahl disagrees with this view based on his understanding of Galatians 3:24,25, RSV: "So that the law was our custodian until Christ came, that we might be justified by faith.<br>
	But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a custodian;" Note that in this translation, decidedly different from the KJV, the roll of the law ended when Christ came. The law served only until the first advent. The KJV says that the law brings us to Christ. Many people understand this to mean that the law continues to work in bringing people to Christ. The RSV indicates that the function of the law ended when Christ came.
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	It doesn't matter in one sense. Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would convince people of sin. 
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]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">97215</guid><pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2026 16:16:00 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>NIV changes, from 'ta hagia' to 'hagia haggiwn'.</title><link>https://clubadventist.com/forums/topic/96765-niv-changes-from-ta-hagia-to-hagia-haggiwn/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>
	Many say the changes of the NIV don't make any difference, but I came across the following discussion.<br>
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	"As you no doubt know, the critical text uses Nestle-Aland 27th ed with variant readings. Nestle-Aland relies primarily on, guess which two manuscripts? Sinaiticus and Vaticanus! What is TRULY amazing is that Westcott and Hort are now considered to be comparatively accurate! More so than the Received Text (TR)<br>
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	As for the NIV, it does massacre the text in some important areas, regardless of which manuscripts are relied on. One example is Hebrews 9, where the NIV changes 'holy place' to 'Most Holy Place.' Also, Colossians 2,'sabbaths' to 'a Sabbath day.' Etc."<br>
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	"Hebrews 9 says that Christ entered the 'greater and more perfect tabernacle . . .' and that He entered the Holy Place. v. 12 says that Christ entered the Holy Place, ta hagia, not the Most Holy Place, hagia haggiwn. The NIV, along with Desmond Ford, have attempted to change that. In vv. 24ff, it says He sacrificed Himself. But your best clue is found in what you yourself have said. His stated work was 'to make intercession for us.' That is the distinctive ministry of the courtyard and the Holy Place. The work in the Most Holy Place was a work of judgment....Heb. 9 specifies that Christ entered ta hagia, the holy place, as opposed to hagia haggiwn.<br>
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	Christ's ministry as our intercessor occurs in the holy place, within the veil. That is what began shortly after his ascension. "<br>
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	and there are more changes that affect doctrine and the changes also affect the New King James version, here is a good article to go over...<br>
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	"Let us look at the two Bible versions most in use by Protestantism, the NIV and the NKJV, and compare them with the Authorized King James Bible to see if they are in harmony with these divine, irrevocable criteria established by God Himself.<br>
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	THE SABBATH<br>
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	KING JAMES BIBLE 'But the seventh day is THE Sabbath of the Lord Thy God' Exodus 20:10. This is speaking of a definite and particular day of the week, which we know refers to Saturday, the seventh day of the week on the calendar.<br>
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	NIV VERSION 'But the seventh day is A Sabbath to the Lord your God...' Exodus 20:10. By substituting the definite 'the' for an indefinite 'a,' this takes the emphasis of any particular day and leaves one free to choose any day of the week as 'a' 'Sabbath day'a subtle attack by Satan on God's holy Sabbath day.<br>
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	THE DEVIL<br>
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	KING JAMES BIBLE 'By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I WILL DESTROY THEE, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire...Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffic: therefore WILL I BRING FORTH A FIRE from the midst of thee, IT SHALL DEVOUR THEE, and I WILL BRING THEE TO ASHES UPON THE EARTH in the sight of all them that behold thee. All they that know thee among the people SHALL BE ASTONISHED at thee: THOU SHALT BE A TERROR AND NEVER SHALT THOU BE ANY MORE.' Ezekiel 28:16, 18,19.<br>
	Here, the King James Bible clearly speaks of a FUTURE judgment to fall upon Satan.<br>
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	NIV VERSION 'Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, O guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones. [verse stops here]..By your many sins and dishonest trade you have desecrated your sanctuaries. So I MADE A FIRE COME OUT FROM YOU, AND IT CONSUMED YOU, and I REDUCED YOU TO ASHES ON THE GROUND in the sight of all who were watching. All the nations who knew you ARE APPALLED AT YOU: YOU HAVE COME TO A HORRIBLE END AND WILL BE NO MORE.' Ezekiel 28: 16,18,19.<br>
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	NEW KING JAMES VERSION 'By the abundance of your trading you became filled with violence within, and you sinned; Therefore I cast you as a profane thing out of the mountain of God; an[ I DESTROYED YOU, O covering cherub, from the midst of the fiery stones. You defiled your sanctuaries by the multitude of your iniquities, by the iniquity of your trading; Therefore I BROUGHT FIRE FROM YOUR MIDST; IT DEVOURED YOU, AND I TURNED YOU TO ASHES UPON THE EARTH in the sight of all who saw you, All who knew you among the peoples are astonished at you; YOU HAVE BECOME A HORROR, AND SHALL BE NO MORE FOREVER.' Ezekiel 28: 26,18,19.<br>
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	Both the NIV and the NKJV present this event as something already done and in the past in direct contrast to the KJV, and in direct contradiction to Revelation 20:10 which states that the devil will be cast into the lake of fire after the 1000 year millennium. Which version manifests the Spirit of truth, and which shows that it comes from the father of lies?<br>
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	THE SANCTUARY/1844<br>
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	KING JAMES BIBLE: 'Neither by the blood of goats and calves, buy by His own blood He entered in once INTO THE HOLY PLACE, having obtained eternal redemption for us.' Hebrews 9:12.<br>
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	In accordance with Advent truth, this verse harmonizes with the Sanctuary message that Christ did not enter the Most Holy Place until 1844.<br>
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	NIV VERSION 'He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but HE ENTERED THE MOST HOLY PLACE once for all by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption.' Hebrews 9:12<br>
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	NEW KING JAMES VERSION 'Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood HE ENTERED THE MOST HOLY PLACE once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.' Hebrews 9:12.<br>
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	Both of these versions attack the Advent message pillar of 1844 by indicating that Christ went into the Most Holy place at His ascension.<br>
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	THE STATE OF THE DEAD<br>
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	KING JAMES BIBLE 'The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment TO BE PUNISHED.' 2 Peter 2:9.<br>
	This verse clearly tells us that the unjust will not receive their punishment until after they have been judged.<br>
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	NIV VERSION 'If this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, WHILE CONTINUING THEIR PUNISHMENT.' 2 Peter 2: 9.<br>
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	NEW KING JAMES VERSION 'Then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly our of temptations and to reserve the unjust UNDER PUNISHMENT for the day of judgment.' 2 Peter 2: 9.<br>
	Both of these versions give credence to the Roman Catholic doctrine of purgatory.<br>
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	3 ANGELS MESSAGE/RIGHTEOUSNESS BY FAITH<br>
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	KING JAMES BIBLE 'Because STRAIT is the gate, and NARROW IS THE WAY, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.' Matthew 7:14.<br>
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	NEW KING JAMES VERSION 'Because NARROW is the gate, and DIFFICULT IS THE WAY which leads to life, and there are few who find it.' Matthew 7:14.<br>
	Here the NKJV not only changes 'strait' to 'narrow,' but replaces 'narrow' with 'difficult.' The implication of this is that if something is difficult you just try 'just work a little harder and you'll eventually make it', or in other words, Righteousness by WORKS, not Righteousness by FAITH which is the 3 Angel's message in surety. A teaching of Divine truth, or satanic falsehood?<br>
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	THE HOLY SPIRIT<br>
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	KING JAMES BIBLE 'Do ye think that the Scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?' James 4:5.<br>
	This verse speaks of the yearnings and desires of the carnal nature.<br>
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	NEW KING JAMES VERSION 'Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, 'The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously?' James 4:5.<br>
	By substituting Spirit for spirit this version declares that the Holy Spirit leads one to sin. Again, is this blasphemous substitution indicative of holy inspiration or satanic manipulation?<br>
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	CONCLUSION<br>
	Nine of the 'scholars' that produced the NKJV were also on the translation committee of the NIV. Is it not reasonable then to suppose that their attitudes, their opinions, their beliefs were no different when they translated the NKJV than when the produced the NIV? The NKJV makes over 100,000 word changes from the KJV, and though they claim that it's a superior and more accurate translation they state: 'It was the editor's conviction that the use of footnotes would encourage further inquiry by readers. They also recognized that it was easier for the average reader to delete something he or she felt was not properly a part of the text, than to insert a word or phrase which had been left out by the revisers.' [The New King James Bible, 1982, Study Edition, The History of the King James Bible. P. 1235]<br>
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	Here the editors of the NKJV are encouraging anyone and everyone to delete something he or she felt was not properly a part of the text. So if you are reading along and you run across something you don't FEEL should be a part of the text, just delete it!!! A candid revelation of the true spirituality of these men and by the way, other than the name, the NEW King James Bible has nothing to do with the King James Bible. That was a clever and extremely successful marketing ploy to sell more Bibles. If the publishers would have named it, for example, the New Thomas Nelson Edition of the Bible, it's very doubtful that as many would have been sold.<br>
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	The supplied verses prove that the NIV attacks three of Adventism's pillars, the Sabbath, the State of the Dead, and the Sanctuary...."http://omega77.tripod.com/cs1gettingtobot.htm<br>
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	and the changes aren't just on doctrine...<br>
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	SOME OMISSIONS &amp; DELETIONS IN THE NIV BIBLE<br>
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	THESE CAN BE SEEN IN MOST VERSIONS AS WELL, EXCEPT THE King James Version<br>
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	1. NIV in Luke 11:2-4 omits key parts of the LORD'S PRAYER.<br>
	2. NIV, in Isaiah 14:12 blasphemes CHRIST by putting Him in the place of Lucifer (devil).<br>
	3. NIV in Micah 5:2 says Christ has an ORIGIN, wrongly making Him a CREATED being.<br>
	4. NIV in Romans 1:29 omits FORNICATION from the sins listed with sodomy.<br>
	5. NIV in Exodus 20:10 &amp; Colossians 2:14 attacks on the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH.<br>
	6. NIV in Ephesians 3:9 removes Christ from being CREATOR.<br>
	7. NIV in Revelation 22:14 attacks on COMMANDMENT KEEPING.<br>
	8. NIV in I John 5:7, 8 denies the TRINITY and DEITY of CHRIST.<br>
	9. NIV in Revelation 12:17 attacks on the REMNANT CHURCHS IDENTITY.<br>
	10. NIV in Daniel 8:14 &amp; Hebrews 9:3-4 attacks on the SANCTUARY DOCTRINE.<br>
	11. NIV in Matthew 28:20 &amp; Matthew 24:3 PROMOTES NEW AGE MOVEMENT.<br>
	12. NIV omits FASTING 5 times, and weakens PRAYER LIFE 3 times (Matthew 17:21).<br>
	13. NIV 178 KEY portions of verses are deleted (example Matthew 20:16).<br>
	14. NIV 17 ESSENTIAL verses are completely omitted (example Matthew 18:11).<br>
	15. NIV omits names of JESUS 38 times, CHRIST 43 times, LORD 35 times, GOD 31 times and OTHER NAMES OF GOD 26 times. Therefore, total names 173 times.... Study on Daniel and Revelation Chapters - Page 9 A
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]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">96765</guid><pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2026 10:17:22 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>The Investigative Judgment or Pre-Advent Judgement.</title><link>https://clubadventist.com/forums/topic/96123-the-investigative-judgment-or-pre-advent-judgement/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">There is a Investigative Judgment, or Pre-Advent Judgment, as distinct from the Final Judgment of the Second Death, which scripture shows begins before the Second Coming as the saints cannot simply go to heaven without a determination of their standing. Man is not immortal of self and doesnt go to heaven at death, and there is not any kind of judgment immediately after death. We see that it begins with the believers as the Bible speaks of an Investigative Judgment for the house of God, which is Christians.</span><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
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	<a data-proxy-href="/proxy.php?link=https%3A%2F%2Fref.ly%2F1%2520Pet%25204.17%3Bnkjv%3Ft%3Dbiblia&amp;hash=c5f1bf31b1d38d36645393a96f91b4f8" href="https://ref.ly/1%20Pet%204.17;nkjv?t=biblia" rel="external nofollow" style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#679fcf; font-size:16px; text-align:start" target="_blank">1 Peter 4:17</a><span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start"><span> </span>For the time [is come] that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if [it] first [begin] at us, what shall the end [be] of them that obey not the gospel of God ?</span><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
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	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">We also see another text on where the Bible speaks about a Judgment Day......</span><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
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	<a data-proxy-href="/proxy.php?link=https%3A%2F%2Fref.ly%2FRev%252014.6%3Bnkjv%3Ft%3Dbiblia&amp;hash=3640ced83ceb168f91ebcc06e6cfc01e" href="https://ref.ly/Rev%2014.6;nkjv?t=biblia" rel="external nofollow" style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#679fcf; font-size:16px; text-align:start" target="_blank">Revelation 14:6-7</a><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,</span><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.</span><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
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	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">We see the angel proclaim that the 'everlasting gospel' message contains, the judgment, and we see what Christ says..</span><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
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	<a data-proxy-href="/proxy.php?link=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.biblegateway.com%2Fpassage%2F%3Fsearch%3DMatthew%252016%253A27%26version%3DKJV&amp;hash=6bc157a2ffdf614f18441ec1298c8fbd" href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2016%3A27&amp;version=KJV" rel="external nofollow" style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#679fcf; font-size:16px; text-align:start" target="_blank">Matthew 16:27</a><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then<span> </span></span><u style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">he shall reward every man according to his works.</u><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">And we find much more..</span><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
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	<a data-proxy-href="/proxy.php?link=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.biblegateway.com%2Fpassage%2F%3Fsearch%3D1%2520Peter%25201%253A17%26version%3DKJV&amp;hash=0769e32b9900e0718535ba56037d5331" href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Peter%201%3A17&amp;version=KJV" rel="external nofollow" style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#679fcf; font-size:16px; text-align:start" target="_blank">1 Peter 1:17</a><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons<span> </span></span><u style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">judgeth according to every man's work,</u><span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start"><span> </span>pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:</span><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
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	<a data-proxy-href="/proxy.php?link=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.biblegateway.com%2Fpassage%2F%3Fsearch%3DRevelation%252022%253A12%26version%3DKJV&amp;hash=15cd4945bf39c664fa5b46ab47059043" href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2022%3A12&amp;version=KJV" rel="external nofollow" style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#679fcf; font-size:16px; text-align:start" target="_blank">Revelation 22:12</a><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man</span><u style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start"><span> </span>according as his work shall be.</u><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
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	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">Now as Jesus will bring His reward with Him at His coming, the judgment of the church or saints needs only to take place shortly prior to the Second Coming. Now if you look the Investigative Judgment comes and we the saints will be judged before the Second Coming and then after the wicked, so its everyone. Lets take a look at scripture:</span><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
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	<a data-proxy-href="/proxy.php?link=https%3A%2F%2Fref.ly%2FDan%25207.9-10%3Bnkjv%3Ft%3Dbiblia&amp;hash=d1e54f3422281cb0c4c02603c8b59002" href="https://ref.ly/Dan%207.9-10;nkjv?t=biblia" rel="external nofollow" style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#679fcf; font-size:16px; text-align:start" target="_blank">Daniel 7.9-10</a><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.</span><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened. (22) the Ancient of days came,<span> </span></span><u style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">and judgment was given in favor of the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.</u><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
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	<a data-proxy-href="/proxy.php?link=https%3A%2F%2Fref.ly%2FMatt%252012.36-37%3Bnkjv%3Ft%3Dbiblia&amp;hash=31587f25ee65567434dbf3529a264561" href="https://ref.ly/Matt%2012.36-37;nkjv?t=biblia" rel="external nofollow" style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#679fcf; font-size:16px; text-align:start" target="_blank">Matthew 12.36-37</a><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">But I say unto you, That every</span><u style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start"><span> </span>idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.</u><span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start"><span> </span>For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.</span><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
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	<a data-proxy-href="/proxy.php?link=https%3A%2F%2Fref.ly%2FRom%252014.10-12%3Bnkjv%3Ft%3Dbiblia&amp;hash=f2d95ed65cf1e647f9dbb0575c4a2109" href="https://ref.ly/Rom%2014.10-12;nkjv?t=biblia" rel="external nofollow" style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#679fcf; font-size:16px; text-align:start" target="_blank">Romans 14.10-12</a><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<u style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">We shall all stand</u><span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start"><span> </span>before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.</span><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
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	<a data-proxy-href="/proxy.php?link=https%3A%2F%2Fref.ly%2F2%2520Cor.%25205.10%3Bnkjv%3Ft%3Dbiblia&amp;hash=b5547dcc02aaadc489a3f3257683b39b" href="https://ref.ly/2%20Cor.%205.10;nkjv?t=biblia" rel="external nofollow" style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#679fcf; font-size:16px; text-align:start" target="_blank">2 Cor. 5:10</a><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">For<span> </span></span><u style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">we must all appear</u><span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start"><span> </span>before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to what he has done, whether it be good or bad.</span><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
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	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God, so all believers must repent and be converted, not just say they are...</span><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
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	<a data-proxy-href="/proxy.php?link=https%3A%2F%2Fref.ly%2FActs%25203.18-19%3Bnkjv%3Ft%3Dbiblia&amp;hash=520343b0968cc84e26167df49827701a" href="https://ref.ly/Acts%203.18-19;nkjv?t=biblia" rel="external nofollow" style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#679fcf; font-size:16px; text-align:start" target="_blank">Acts 3.18-19</a><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">But those things, which God foretold by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he has so fulfilled.</span><u style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start"><span> </span>Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out</u><span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;</span><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<a data-proxy-href="/proxy.php?link=https%3A%2F%2Fref.ly%2FActs%252017.30-31%3Bnkjv%3Ft%3Dbiblia&amp;hash=52fc3ca2166ea9a4ced8166d6d7a9d5e" href="https://ref.ly/Acts%2017.30-31;nkjv?t=biblia" rel="external nofollow" style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#679fcf; font-size:16px; text-align:start" target="_blank">Acts 17:30-31</a><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now<span> </span></span><u style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">commands all men every where to repent:</u><span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start"><span> </span>Because he has appointed a day, So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that Man whom he has ordained; He has given assurance of this to all men, by raising him from the dead.</span><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
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	<a data-proxy-href="/proxy.php?link=https%3A%2F%2Fref.ly%2FRom%25202.15-16%3Bnkjv%3Ft%3Dbiblia&amp;hash=a64bf21c8d63210a3c3347e1577ee41e" href="https://ref.ly/Rom%202.15-16;nkjv?t=biblia" rel="external nofollow" style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#679fcf; font-size:16px; text-align:start" target="_blank">Romans 2:15-16</a><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">. . .Which show the work of the law written in their hearts,...In the</span><u style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start"><span> </span>day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ<span> </span></u><span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">according to my gospel.</span><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<a data-proxy-href="/proxy.php?link=https%3A%2F%2Fref.ly%2FEccles%252012.13-14%3Bnkjv%3Ft%3Dbiblia&amp;hash=ba4b97b09626775dfe8b1673aa014d2b" href="https://ref.ly/Eccles%2012.13-14;nkjv?t=biblia" rel="external nofollow" style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#679fcf; font-size:16px; text-align:start" target="_blank">Ecclesiastes 12:13-14</a><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:<span> </span></span><u style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">Fear God, and keep his commandments:</u><span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start"><span> </span>for this is the whole duty of man.</span><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">14</span><u style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start"><span> </span>For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.</u><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">The Bible clearly indicts that all will appear before the judgment throne of God, those who are judged worthy by the blood of the lamb, have His robe of righteousness, and will be taken to the heavenly kingdom at the Second Coming. The others will receive the judgment of condemnation, and receive their punishment in the lake of fire at the Second Death.</span>
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]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">96123</guid><pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2026 11:41:20 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Why Repentance leads us to God and Salvation</title><link>https://clubadventist.com/forums/topic/96615-why-repentance-leads-us-to-god-and-salvation/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>
	I was reading the lesson and came to this part,<br>
	"Real Repentance<br>
	The secular world bombards us with messages of independence, indulgence, and self-promotion--the opposite of the principles of God’s kingdom. Interestingly, the first words recorded in the Bible by John the Baptist and Jesus were similar. John said, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!” (Matt. 3:1-2, NKJV). Jesus said, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel” (Mark 1:14-15, NKJV; see also Luke 24:46-47). Both Jesus and John called those listening to repentance because the kingdom of heaven was near. Could it be that this same message is equally as relevant to us today?"<br>
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	So what does repentance do for us, does it lead to change, real repentance does. Does it bring us closer to God, as we clear out the anger and hate and addiction to sin, I would say it does. Most importantly, how does it bring us to the Kingdom of Heaven and eternal life with Christ? True repentance is not merely feeling guilty or avoiding punishment or being shames, it is a sincere turning away from sin and toward God, involving humility, honesty, and a change of heart. We must allow the Holy Spirit to do its work and guide us down the path of transformation, and stop holding on to hating our brother or breaking what allows for sin and iniquity, and what takes us away from loving God and our fellow man. True repentance involves as what is simple as we see, 'two steps: (1) sincere pain and sorrow for our sins; and (2) the honest decision to abandon sin. In the Bible, repentance is almost always connected to forgiveness. We genuinely repent; God forgives. It’s that simple.'<br>
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	So why dont we repent and turn from what is evil?
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]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">96615</guid><pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2026 00:23:07 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Galatians 3:24</title><link>https://clubadventist.com/forums/topic/97148-galatians-324/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>
	24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.<br>
	25  But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. KJV
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	24  So that the law was our custodian until Christ came, that we might be justified by faith.<br>
	25  But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a custodian; RSV
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	Schoolmaster in KJV is an unfortunate translation. The "schoolmaster" was a trusted servant responsible for accompanying his charge to school. Young's literal translation describes the KJV schoolmaster as  "child-conductor." This is a better translation. Note that both versions agree that once we come to Christ, we are no longer under the supervision of the child-conductor. Luther understood this. Calvin, on the other hand, likened the law in the Christian's life to a whip with which one lashes a lazy ass. 
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]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">97148</guid><pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2026 00:57:40 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>The Bible</title><link>https://clubadventist.com/forums/topic/97149-the-bible/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>
	<strong><span>The Bible</span></strong>
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	<span>I decided that it might be of value to give a background to the book that we call the Bible.</span>
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	<strong><span>Catholic Bibles </span></strong><span>mainly differ from Protestant Bibles in that they include some ancient writings, generally called by Protestants, The Apocrypha, that is not included in Protestant Bibles Some other differences are very minor and not significant.</span>
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	<strong><span>Origin: </span></strong><span>All of the Biblical books began as written documents (Autographs) written well before printed documents existed. We do not have any of those documents. All we have are copies of the original documents. Those documents do contain some scribal errors. But, they are highly accurate and the minor errors are commonly seen in comparison with other copies which we have. </span>
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	<span> </span><strong><span>Chapters and Verses:</span></strong><span> As first written, the Biblical books did not have chapters and verses. They were mostly written as one document. L Scholars added the chapters and verses at a later time.</span>
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	<strong><span>The New Testament </span></strong><span>was written in Biblical Greek (Koine Greek) which differs from the modern Greek language of today. Scholars understand that language very well today. Those documents also contain Individual words from other languages that were spoken in Palestine in the time when the writings were prepared.</span>
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	<strong><span>The Old Testament </span></strong><span>was mostly written in Biblical Hebrew, which differs ftom the modern Hebrew of today. However, a little bit of the Old Testament was written in<br>
	Aramaic, which is well understood today. Aramaic is a close cousin to the Hebrew of that time. All those who spoke Hebrew were likely able to understand Aramaic.</span>
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	<strong><span>Translation</span></strong><span>: The Bibles that you purchase today have generally been translated in one to the following three types:</span>
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	<strong><span>Formal Translation </span></strong><span>sticks very clsely to the original text. It is commonly used for doctrinal study, preaching and by scholars.</span>
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	<strong><span>Dynamic Translation a</span></strong><span>ttempts to esent the authors thinking in a manner that is easly understood in the translated language.</span>
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	<strong><span>Paraphrased translation </span></strong><span>attempts to present what the translator thinks the author wanted to say, into the translated language.</span>
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	<span>The careful student of the Bible will need to understand the background of the Biblical material and the process of producing the copies and the methods of translation. However, that student can rest assured that the Bibles of today do contain what God wanted humans to know.</span>
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]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">97149</guid><pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2026 02:30:51 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Jesus is Jehovah the YHWH of the Old Testament</title><link>https://clubadventist.com/forums/topic/96987-jesus-is-jehovah-the-yhwh-of-the-old-testament/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">Jehovah is the Hebrew name for God in the Old Testament. He is given as the Creator of the universe and everything in it. The name Yahweh comes from the Hebrew word for "I am," which was translated as 'Jehovah.' Whenever the name 'LORD' is printed in small caps in the Bible, it means 'YAHWEH'. For ancient Jews, the name 'YAHWEH' was so sacred that they would not speak it nor would they write it in full, but gave it as 'YHWH'.</span><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">Now the scriptures is very clear that Jesus Christ is not just our Savior, but is also the Creator of the universe, Jehovah 'YAHWEH' of the Old Testament. Notice carefully:</span><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">All things were made by Him, and without Him was not anything made that has been made.<span> </span></span><a data-proxy-href="/proxy.php?link=https%3A%2F%2Fbiblia.com%2Fbible%2Fnkjv%2FJohn%25201.3&amp;hash=01867df3715731443942ab0fef039673" href="https://biblia.com/bible/nkjv/John%201.3" rel="external nofollow" style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#679fcf; font-size:16px; text-align:start" target="_blank">John 1:3</a><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">He [Jesus] was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not.<span> </span></span><a data-proxy-href="/proxy.php?link=https%3A%2F%2Fbiblia.com%2Fbible%2Fnkjv%2FJohn%25201.10&amp;hash=10b81512a28f011e1a8e6a386e94c0ce" href="https://biblia.com/bible/nkjv/John%201.10" rel="external nofollow" style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#679fcf; font-size:16px; text-align:start" target="_blank">John 1:10</a><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
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	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">God, who created all things by Jesus Christ.<span> </span></span><a data-proxy-href="/proxy.php?link=https%3A%2F%2Fbiblia.com%2Fbible%2Fkjv1900%2FEph.%25203.9&amp;hash=73606db3a22ca5d227fdc6311ea130e2" href="https://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Eph.%203.9" rel="external nofollow" style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#679fcf; font-size:16px; text-align:start" target="_blank">Ephesians 3:9</a><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">For by Him [Jesus] all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.<span> </span></span><a data-proxy-href="/proxy.php?link=https%3A%2F%2Fbiblia.com%2Fbible%2Fnkjv%2FCol.%25201.16&amp;hash=129f65bf6e585ba4126a593e229a8e78" href="https://biblia.com/bible/nkjv/Col.%201.16" rel="external nofollow" style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#679fcf; font-size:16px; text-align:start" target="_blank">Colossians 1:16</a><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">Thus Jesus Christ is our Creator. The One who created, rested. Thus the Sabbath commandment, when correctly understood in the light of both the Old and New Testaments, points to Jesus Christ</span><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">Now some may say but God the great Jehovah created the earth in the beginning, but here is were the mystery of the GodHead has to be understood in order to understand who Jesus was.</span><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">Jesus is the Jehovah of ALL the Bible. He is the LORD Jehovah that walked in the cool of the day in Eden. Jesus was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Jesus was Jehovah God who gave the Ten Commandments. Jesus was Jehovah God who was in the pillar of fire by night and cloud by day. Jesus was Jehovah God who appeared to Moses in the fiery bush and declared I am that I am.</span><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">What Jesus claims about Himself -<span> </span></span><a data-proxy-href="/proxy.php?link=https%3A%2F%2Fbiblia.com%2Fbible%2Fnkjv%2FJohn%25208.48-59&amp;hash=46e633ff1177646b9f64a1a01987f962" href="https://biblia.com/bible/nkjv/John%208.48-59" rel="external nofollow" style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#679fcf; font-size:16px; text-align:start" target="_blank">John 8:48-59</a><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">48 Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?</span><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.</span><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">50 And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.</span><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.</span><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.</span><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?</span><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:</span><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.</span><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.</span><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?</span><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.</span><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.</span><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
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	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">With solemn dignity Jesus answered, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM. Silence fell upon the vast assembly. The name of God, given to Moses to express the idea of the eternal presence, had been claimed as His own by Jesus.</span><br style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#141618; font-size:16px; text-align:start">
	 
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]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">96987</guid><pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2026 03:35:57 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Why was 'Tartarus' used?</title><link>https://clubadventist.com/forums/topic/96920-why-was-tartarus-used/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>
	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#081c2a; font-size:16px; text-align:left">The Greek word Tartarus appears only once in the entire New Testament. <br>
	2 Peter 2:4<br>
	Young's Literal Translation<br>
	4 For if God messengers who sinned did not spare, but with chains of thick gloom, having cast [them] down to Tartarus, did deliver [them] to judgment, having been reserved,</span>
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	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#081c2a; font-size:16px; text-align:left">Well, this explains a lot....</span>
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	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#081c2a; font-size:16px; text-align:left">"There is one word in the New Testament that comes straight from Greek mythology. Not a metaphor. Not a translation choice. The actual name of the abyss where the Titans were imprisoned.</span>
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	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#081c2a; font-size:16px; text-align:left">It was written by a Jewish fisherman from Galilee.</span>
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	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#081c2a; font-size:16px; text-align:left">The letter is 2 Peter, composed in Koine Greek for diaspora communities spread across the Roman world in the first century CE. Verse 2:4 is about angels who sinned and what God did with them.</span>
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	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#081c2a; font-size:16px; text-align:left">Most translations render the passage simply as "cast them into hell." But the Greek word Peter chose was not Hades. Not Gehenna. Not "the pit." The word came directly from "Tartaros," the deepest region of the underworld in Greek mythology, a place so far below Hades that, in Hesiod's Theogony, a bronze anvil dropped from the surface of the earth would fall for nine days before reaching it.</span>
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	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#081c2a; font-size:16px; text-align:left">The verb Peter used, "tartarosas," appears nowhere else in the entire New Testament. Every other writer who needed a word for the realm of the dead reached for Hades or Gehenna. Only this one verse goes to Tartarus.</span>
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	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#081c2a; font-size:16px; text-align:left">In Hesiod's account, written roughly seven centuries before this letter, Tartarus is where Zeus imprisoned the Titans after the war for Olympus. Sealed away from the rest of creation. Absolute confinement.<br>
	Peter placed fallen angels there.</span>
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	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#081c2a; font-size:16px; text-align:left">He was writing for people who had grown up inside Greek cultural memory. He did not need to explain what Tartarus meant to them. He needed only to use the word, and they would already understand the weight of it.</span>
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	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#081c2a; font-size:16px; text-align:left">He did not argue against the mythology. He absorbed its cosmological grammar and refilled it. The prison stayed. The inhabitants changed.<br>
	Scholars call this kind of move a recontextualization: taking the structural logic of a pre-existing concept and fitting it to new theological meaning. It is one of the more quietly stunning word choices in the entire text.</span>
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	<span style="background-color:#ffffff; color:#081c2a; font-size:16px; text-align:left">A fisherman. A word borrowed from Hesiod. One verse that most readers have never noticed, because every translation made it vanish back into "hell."....</span>
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]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">96920</guid><pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2026 20:30:39 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Vertical Morality</title><link>https://clubadventist.com/forums/topic/96912-vertical-morality/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>
	Vertical Morality vs. Horizontal Morality:  What does God expect from us?   How is our morality grounded?  The following article will challenge your thinking.
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	<a href="https://www.huffpost.com/entry/vertical-morality-maga-christians_l_68dc8386e4b0b11989f00fb8" ipsnoembed="true" rel="external nofollow">https://www.huffpost.com/entry/vertical-morality-maga-christians_l_68dc8386e4b0b11989f00fb8</a>
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	Thr following is a shorter, summarized version of the above article.
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	<a href="https://us.headtopics.com/news/vertical-morality-might-describe-why-maga-christians-seem-74000915#google_vignette" ipsnoembed="true" rel="external nofollow">https://us.headtopics.com/news/vertical-morality-might-describe-why-maga-christians-seem-74000915#google_vignette</a>
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]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">96912</guid><pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2026 23:31:19 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Jerusalem and Armageddon</title><link>https://clubadventist.com/forums/topic/96911-jerusalem-and-armageddon/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>
	<em>by Steve Wolhberg</em>
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	<a href="https://www.signstimes.com/?p=article&amp;a=44190346225.645" ipsnoembed="true" rel="external nofollow">https://www.signstimes.com/?</a>
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]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">96911</guid><pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2026 23:17:16 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Spiritualism</title><link>https://clubadventist.com/forums/topic/62936-spiritualism/</link><description><![CDATA[
<p>Robert quoted this well-known EGW piece in another recent thread: </p>
<blockquote data-ipsquote="" data-cite="Quote" class="ipsQuote"><p><br><font face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, Century Gothic">Through the two great errors, the immortality of the soul and Sunday sacredness, Satan will bring the people under his deceptions. While the former lays the foundation of spiritualism, the latter creates a bond of sympathy with Rome. The Protestants of the United States will be foremost in stretching their hands across the gulf to grasp the hand of spiritualism; they will reach over the abyss to clasp hands with the Roman power; and under the influence of this threefold union, this country will follow in the steps of Rome in trampling on the rights of conscience.</font></p></blockquote>
<p><font face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, Century Gothic">Sorry, I don't have the reference handy.</font></p>
<p><font face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, Century Gothic">It got me wondering. Spiritualism - the Fox sisters and their hoaxes, table rapping, ouija boards and so on - is pretty much a dead force in the world these days. It still exists around the corners, but it's far from a massive influence with the power to lead the masses astray.</font></p>
<p><font face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, Century Gothic">Frankly, it's an historical artefact of the time when EGW was writing. It was a craze in 19th century America, but has since faded.</font></p>
<p><font face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, Century Gothic">The thing is, antiCatholicism is the same sort of thing: powerful in mid-19th century America, fading now, as Catholicism shows its face as simply one sect among many, albeit a large and wealthy one.</font></p>
<p><font face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, Century Gothic">I honestly think it might be time for SDAism to move on. The 'two great errors'... turn out to have been made by EGW, or at least by those who take her writings a century into the future and expect that they will still apply in the same way.</font></p>
<p><font face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, Century Gothic">It might be worth thinking about the great spiritual threats of now: my own nominee would be the conviction, despite Jesus' direct statement, that it's possible to serve both God and Mammon.</font></p>
<p><font face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, Century Gothic">What are your candidates?</font></p>
]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">62936</guid><pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2015 21:03:02 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Baptism</title><link>https://clubadventist.com/forums/topic/22853-baptism/</link><description><![CDATA[
<p>What is 'baptism'?</p>
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<p>My thought was that it is a public declaration of one's faith and a desire to walk in newness of life.</p>
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<p>If my belief on this is correct ... why would one be baptized in private without witnesses and then never refer to it or acknowledge it during their lifetime?</p>
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<p>Why would anyone do this? Do you feel that a leader would do this? Would this set a good example? Or am I totally off base and perhaps we should keep our baptisms secret?</p>
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<p>What are your thoughts on this?</p>
]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">22853</guid><pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 16:10:48 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>America at 250: Is the Dragon Already Here? | EP 24 unScripted</title><link>https://clubadventist.com/forums/topic/96804-america-at-250-is-the-dragon-already-here-ep-24-unscripted/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>
	<span class="ytAttributedStringHost ytAttributedStringWhiteSpacePreWrap" dir="auto" style=""><span class="ytAttributedStringLinkInheritColor" dir="auto" style="color: rgb(19, 19, 19);">America is turning 250 — and Bible prophecy has something to say about it. Shawn Boonstra and Jonathan Walter dig into the one question every Adventist is asking: Is the United States of Revelation 13 — the "lamb-like" beast — already speaking like a dragon? They trace where the American republic actually came from (it's not what you think), why Shawn believes it was genuinely lamb-like in conception, and what's happening right now that points unmistakably toward a Revelation 13 showdown. Plus: there's a clause buried in the U.S. Constitution that most Americans have never noticed — and Shawn thinks it's the most prophetically significant sentence in the document. Then: How do you reach almost 2 billion secular people who want nothing to do with religion? The answer might not be what you expect. Dwight Nelson — "Is the U.S. Blessed or Condemned?": </span><span class="ytAttributedStringLinkInheritColor" dir="auto" style="color: rgb(6, 95, 212);"><a class="ytAttributedStringLink ytAttributedStringLinkCallToActionColor" force-new-state="true" href="https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&amp;redir_token=QUFFLUhqblNaTHBmbTZHZXktRTZjSjRnRUFhek9fWmRiQXxBQ3Jtc0trY25xMnFtWUJPaE1TZ2lybWlqRVBXZDFSSENxRkVTQ1NrUlRYcjNNWmJlbng3VUVEalhuME9QUnVPUVdwVmU3RGtuRndRVHNXMWZ6bTZKb2FsemRRYWplX2dKLU1Kb1lyY0FaR2h4aHNCanFkeU1iVQ&amp;q=https%3A%2F%2Fadventistreview.org%2Fchurch-life%2Four-voice%2Fcolumnists-our-voice%2Fhappy-birthday-america%2F&amp;v=5mzPscRcVSo" rel="external nofollow" tabindex="0" target="_blank">https://adventistreview.org/church-li...</a></span><span class="ytAttributedStringLinkInheritColor" dir="auto" style="color: rgb(19, 19, 19);"> (Available: July 4) Jonathan Contero on reaching secular people: </span><span class="ytAttributedStringLinkInheritColor" dir="auto" style="color: rgb(6, 95, 212);"><a class="ytAttributedStringLink ytAttributedStringLinkCallToActionColor" force-new-state="true" href="https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&amp;redir_token=QUFFLUhqbFhLTEE2d0VjUXlwYzdNNGxfdGJZMV9sNzFOd3xBQ3Jtc0ttY3V5eTVOMWZrb3hQZ0xDVkhPRHBqTk1WU2NnRFp4bk9LSDJDU2NEM0NQeE1MQ1YzbS1HVFlldERXNXNDY29wQ3VfRWhFQ3RwYjJvVWp5YjNuS1ZMVDdyRGtMT1ZBYUtHX3Y3dS1IR3Y5UVRCWGMtcw&amp;q=https%3A%2F%2Fadventistreview.org%2Flifestyle%2Farts-culture%2Fculture-arts-culture%2Fseeing-seculars-through-jesus-eyes%2F&amp;v=5mzPscRcVSo" rel="external nofollow" tabindex="0" target="_blank">https://adventistreview.org/lifestyle...</a></span><span class="ytAttributedStringLinkInheritColor" dir="auto" style="color: rgb(19, 19, 19);"> (Available: July 5)</span></span>
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	<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mzPscRcVSo" ipsnoembed="true" rel="external nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mzPscRcVSo</a>
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]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">96804</guid><pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2026 00:32:31 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Jimmy Akin looks at and reviews Ellen White</title><link>https://clubadventist.com/forums/topic/89530-jimmy-akin-looks-at-and-reviews-ellen-white/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>
	Here is a Catholic's view of Ellen White from a Catholic perspective. I think anyone watching this will find this isn't what they were expecting. I'd be interested in hearing what folks have to say about this. 
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]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">89530</guid><pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2023 04:58:05 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Romans 7</title><link>https://clubadventist.com/forums/topic/96121-romans-7/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>
	Ever notice that the first few verses don't actually make sense? Using the marriage analogy, one would expect Paul to say that the law dies so we can be married to Jesus. He says we die so we can marry another. Logic would require us to understand that we were first  married to the law. When the law dies, we are then free to marry Jesus. But Paul says we die, so we can marry another. Verse 6 again says we died to that which held us captive [thelaw]. If Paul is saying that the death we experience through our connection to Jesus and our new life through the resurrection of Christ, the law has not died; consequently, we would still be in adultery if we marry Jesus while the law lives.
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	Anyone have any insight here? I'd like to know what Cranfield says in his <em>Shorter Commentary on Romans.</em>
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]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">96121</guid><pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2026 00:21:01 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>The Timeline to 1844 came from Bible Scholars and believers not William Miller</title><link>https://clubadventist.com/forums/topic/96831-the-timeline-to-1844-came-from-bible-scholars-and-believers-not-william-miller/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>
	Well, this is amazing. I was taking my wife to the beach as she had an outbreak which I thought the sun and warm waters would help heal. So we headed there and I grabbed my beach bag and made sure it had all my change of clothes, towels, and a book to read which I grabbed on the way out. So we get there and set up with beach chairs and bags and go in the water and it was so hot the sand was burning to walk on and the water ready for soup. Well anyway I finally get out of the water, and go to sit on the chairs, and sip a cool drink and pull out a book to read and relax. So I open the book I grabbed and come to a part where the words I am reading just leave me dumbfounded. Here is the part I had come across...<br>
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	"The Historical Background of Seventh-Day Adventism Seventh-day Adventism sprang from the "Great Second Advent Awakening," which shook the religious world just before the middle of the nineteenth century when a reemphasis on the second advent of Jesus Christ was rampant in Britain and on the continent of Europe. Before long, many of the Old World views of prophetic interpretation crossed the Atlantic and penetrated American theological circles. Based largely upon the apocalyptic books of Daniel and Revelation, the theology of the Advent Movement was discussed in the newspapers as well as in theological journals. New Testament eschatology competed with stock market quotations for front-page space, and the "seventy weeks," "twenty-three hundred days," and "the abomination of desolation" (Daniel 8–9) were common subjects of conversation. Following the chronology of Archbishop Ussher, and interpreting the 2300 days of Daniel as 2300 years, many Bible students of various denominations concluded that Christ would come back about the year 1843. Of this studious number was one William Miller, a Baptist minister and resident of Lower Hampton, New York. The Great Second Advent Awakening, which swept the United States in the 1840’s, stemmed largely from the activities of this William Miller, who confidently taught in the year 1818 that in "about" twenty-five years, i.e., 1843, Jesus Christ would come again...At length his associates set October 22, 1844, as the final date when Jesus Christ would return for His saints."<br>
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	I was intrigued as clearly this was saying that this timeline of the 2300 days of Daniel as 2300 years was seen by others and was being studied by many believers. William Miller was studying what many others were going over with great interest, and he was not some wild eyed extremist as we see. "Miller was raised by a deeply religious mother, but despite her zeal for his conversion, Miller became a deist. Only after a soul-searching experience that culminated in his conversion did he begin his preparation for ministry in the Baptist church. A great many books have been written about William Miller and the Millerite movement, but to this writer’s knowledge none of them proved Miller to be dishonest or deceptive in his prophetic interpretation of Scripture. Indeed, he enjoyed the reputation, among all who knew him, of being an honest, forthright Christian."<br>
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	The problem was not the timeline but the event that they were looking at had been picked up with the wrong ending, which if they had been Jewish, would have been clear from their understanding of work of the High Priest in the earthly sanctuary. And we see more of what others were seeing then...<br>
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	"Clearly it may be seen that although Miller popularized the 1843/1844 concept of Christ’s coming again, he was by no means alone. If we condemn him, we must also condemn a large number of internationally known scholars who were among the most highly educated men of their day. Yet they, too, had a blind spot in prophetic interpretation and endorsed this fallacious system of date-setting."<br>
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	They were looking for the second advent, and we can see now how the fixation on this led to the great disappointment. Here is a clear and much better explanation than I could give of the issue from the book..<br>
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	"Regardless of the number of scholars who confirmed his errors, however, the fact remains that Miller and the Millerite movement operated contrary to the express injunctions of Scripture. Both Miller and his followers lived to reap the reward of their foolhardy quest and to suffer crushing humiliation, ridicule, and abject despair.,, The final phase of the movement closed with the “Great Disappointment of 1844,” but as the Millerites disbanded, there emerged other groups, such as the First-day Adventists. However, in our study we are concerned primarily with three segments that later fused to produce the Seventh-day Adventist denomination... At this point in our historical analysis of Seventh-day Adventism, we believe it will be profitable to briefly review “The Great Disappointment of 1844” and its relationship to the Seventh-day Adventist doctrines of the heavenly sanctuary and the investigative judgment. The entire superstructure of the Millerites’ prophetic interpretation was based upon their view of the book of Daniel, chapters eight and nine, with particular emphasis upon Daniel 8:14 and 9:24–27. The Millerites believed that the prophecy of the seventy weeks of Daniel nine must date from the year 457 BC., which, as recent archaeological evidence confirms,16 was the exact date of the decree of King Artaxerxes to rebuild Jerusalem (Daniel 9:25). Tracing the seventy weeks of Daniel on the theory that, as the Hebrew indicated, it should be rendered “seventy weeks of years” or 490 years, the Millerites arrived at the date AD. 33; that is, from 457 BC. to AD. 33. Since this date generally corresponds with Christ’s crucifixion, Millerites then linked it to Daniel 8:14—“Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed”—with the seventy weeks of years prophecy, and the 2300 days became 2300 years. Thus, if you subtract 490 years (adding, of course, AD. 1 to 33), the figure arrived at is 1843. Many biblical scholars have historically shown that in Scripture a day frequently symbolizes a year; further, that the seventy weeks and 2300 days of Daniel could have begun on the same date. And that date, according to the Millerites, was 457 BC.<br>
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	So we see here clearly that it was not William Miller who came up with the timeline leading to 1844, but it was from many of those who studied Gods Word, and this comes not from some advocate of Adventism or from the church, but <a href="https://annointing.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/kingdom-of-the-cults.pdf" rel="external nofollow">from a surprising source</a>...
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	If an acquaintance at your church asked you to accompany them to share the gospel with a coworker who’d expressed deep guilt for his sins, would you go? All Christians should jump at that chance. Let’s say you go. Russ, your acquaintance, shares the gospel. The coworker expresses a desire to believe in Jesus but throughout the conversation voices skepticism about some Christian beliefs. What are your thoughts as Russ addresses these concerns?
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	<a href="https://www.icr.org/article/15965" ipsnoembed="true" rel="external nofollow">https://www.icr.org/article/15965</a>
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]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">96794</guid><pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2026 16:29:08 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>The Beast Revelation</title><link>https://clubadventist.com/forums/topic/94680-the-beast-revelation/</link><description><![CDATA[<iframe allowfullscreen="" class="ipsEmbed_finishedLoading" data-controller="core.front.core.autosizeiframe" data-embedauthorid="3997" data-embedcontent="" data-embedid="embed4967853581" src="https://clubadventist.com/forums/index.php?app=forums&amp;module=forums&amp;controller=topic&amp;id=29604&amp;do=embed" style="overflow: hidden; height: 211px; max-width: 500px;"></iframe>
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	<span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="color:#e74c3c;"><span style="background-color: rgb(249, 255, 249); text-align: start;">Christian films often portray that all those who have not received the mark of the beast will be killed, this is a symbolic truth. The circumstances are true, but they missed the real meaning due to some failed interpretations. All those who have not taken the mark are killed, this part is true, but those who have not taken the mark are Hamas. The mark was given during the elections for the president of the Palestinian authority, which was boycotted by Hamas. Hamas has never received the mark. Films like to portray all people as subject to the mark. This part is wrong. It only affects those Palestinians who did not take the mark, and not the whole world. It is only Hamas. This makes the mark as what the letter indicates. It was the indelible ink brand given to those who voted in the Palestinian elections.</span></span></span>
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]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">94680</guid><pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2025 22:41:57 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Atonement</title><link>https://clubadventist.com/forums/topic/96737-atonement/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>
	The word "atonement" appears in the KJV New Testament just one time: 
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	Ro 5:11  And not only [so], but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the <u>atonement</u>. 
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	The Greek word for atonement is καταλλαγή [SN/OLB# 2643] OLB refers to the Online Bible computer program.
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	2643 is used 4 times in the NT. Except for Romans 5:11, it is translated as reconcile/d or reconciliation:
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	Ro 11:15  For if the casting away of them [be] the reconciling &lt;2643&gt; of the world, what [shall] the receiving [of them be], but life from the dead?
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	2Co 5:18  And all things [are] of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation &lt;2643&gt;;
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	2Co 5:19  To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation &lt;2643&gt;
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	A closely related word is καταλλάσσω [2644]:
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	Ro 5:10  For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled &lt;2644&gt; to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled &lt;2644&gt;, we shall be saved by his life.<br>
	1Co 7:11  But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled &lt;2644&gt; to [her] husband: and let not the husband put away [his] wife.<br>
	2Co 5:18  And all things [are] of God, who hath reconciled &lt;2644&gt; us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;<br>
	2Co 5:19  To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling &lt;2644&gt; the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.<br>
	2Co 5:20  Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech [you] by us: we pray [you] in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled &lt;2644&gt; to God.
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	 Sometimes the Greek words numbered 2643, a verb, and 2644, a noun, appear in the same verse The translation term, "atonement", used in Romans 5:11 is an outlier in  the KJV.
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	The Day of Atonement service in Leviticus 16 is explained in  Hebrews 10. The word "atonement" is not mentioned
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	1 Corinthians 7:11 uses the word translated as "atonement" in Romans 5.11. It refers to the reconciling of a couple in a troubled marriage.   
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	<a href="https://theapproachingstorm.com/" ipsnoembed="true" rel="external nofollow">https://theapproachingstorm.com/</a>
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	This is a 7 part series by the VOP
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]]></description><guid isPermaLink="false">96663</guid><pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2026 14:08:50 +0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Sanctuary Cleansing, History</title><link>https://clubadventist.com/forums/topic/96551-sanctuary-cleansing-history/</link><description><![CDATA[<p>
	<span style="font-size:18px;">The following is a study paper on the OT history of the sanctuary cleansing:</span>
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	<span style="font-size:16px;">The temple was polluted and cleansed at different times in the Old Testament. During the ascendence of Ahaz (735-715), the temple  doors were shut (2 Ch. 28:24), The daily sacrifices were stopped, no incense was burnt, the lamps in the temple were put out (2 Ch 29:7). In other words, the daily was taken away. His son, Hezekiah (715-686) opened the doors and cleansed the temple during his reign. In this account, the word translated “cleansed” is <i>taher. </i>Hezekiah ordered the priests to sanctify the house and “Carry the filthiness out of the holy place” (2 Ch. 29:5). The priests came together to “cleanse the house of the Lord” (2 Ch 29:15). They went into the inner part of the Lord’s house and carried out all the uncleanness they found (2 Ch 29:16).  Three things were done to the temple at this time. The doors were repaired (2 Ch 29:3) The temple was sanctified (2 Ch. 29:5,17). The temple was cleansed (<i>taher</i>) (2 Ch. 29:15). This was not ritualistic cleansing. Actual filth inside the temple was carried out and disposed of at the brook Kidron (2 Ch. 29:16).</span>
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	<span style="font-size:16px;">The work of cleansing the temple during Hezekiah’s reign was undone by his son Manasseh (696-642). He built altars and placed a graven image in the house of the LORD (2 Ki. 21:4, 7). A graven image in the temple is described as the “desolating sacrilege” in the RSV of 1 Maccabees 1:54. The Greek translated as “desolating sacrilege” is the same as that used in Daniel 9:27, 12:11, Matthew 24:15, and Mark 13:14. Luke, in a similar passage does not mention the abomination of desolation. Instead, Luke says that Jerusalem will be surrounded by armies (21:20). The <u>Jewish Encyclopedia</u>, s.v., “abomination of desolation”  identifies the exploits of Antiochus Epiphanes as fulfilling these references in Daniel. “<span style="color:#4d4d4d">Some rabbis, however, see in it [the Hebrew expression translated as abomination of desolation]an allusion to Manasseh, who, as related in II Chron. xxxiii. 7, set up "a carved image . . . in the house of God."</span> </span>
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	<span style="font-size:16px;">Manasseh did more evil than the nations around him. 2 Kings 24:1-4 says that the evils of Manasseh brought about the destruction of Judah. He was taken captive by the king of Assyria. As a prisoner in Babylon, he realized his sin. He was eventually released. Upon returning to Jerusalem, he removed the image from the temple, as well as the altars he had built, calling upon the people to serve the Lord (2 Ch. 33: 5-13).</span>
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	<span style="font-size:16px;">Manasseh’s son Josiah (reigned 640-609) began his work with the repair of the temple (2 Ki. 22:5). Together with Hilkiah the high priest, they removed all the items used in the worship of Baal, Astarte, and the host of heaven. Also destroyed were the houses of the cult prostitutes connected to the temple (2 Kings 23:7). Chariots and horses to the sun were also removed from the entry way into the temple (2 Kings 23:11).</span>
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	<span style="font-size:16px;">The word translated “cleansed” in the KJV of Daniel 8: 14 is translated as s appears as “rightful state, “reconsecrated,” “restored,” in other versions. It is a form of the Hebrew trigram t<i>s d q.</i> The Hebrew word “<i>nitsdaq,</i>” to which we refer, is also used in a different form in KJV Daniel 12:3: “And they that turn many to “righteousness” shall shine as the stars forever.” Young’s Literal Translation of Daniel 12: 3 says “…and those justifying the multitude…” </span>
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	<span style="font-size:16px;">It’s the same word used in Isaiah 53:11 when it says the righteous servant will “justify” many. Isaiah 45:25 says that all Israel will be “justified” in the Lord. Same word. Psalms 19:9 uses the word to describe the “righteous” judgments of God. All the other appearances of the word refer to the righteousness or justification of people or God. Daniel 8:14 uses it to refer to the justification of the sanctuary. The Greek Old Testament, known as the LXX, translates the word in Daniel 8: 14 with a word that means “cleansed” as in the KJV.</span>
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	<span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">We see several text of the twenty four elders in scripture..</span><br style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">
	<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%204%3A11&amp;version=KJV" rel="external nofollow" style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#1a3d65; font-size:15px; text-align:start" target="_blank">Revelation 4:10-11</a><br style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, 11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.</span><br style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">
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	<a data-purpose="bible-reference" data-reference="Rev 5.8" data-version="esv" href="https://ref.ly/Rev%205.8;esv?t=biblia" rel="external nofollow" style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#111b27; font-size:15px; text-align:start" target="_blank">Revelation 5:8</a><span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start"><span> </span>And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four [and] twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation.</span><br style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">
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	<span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">So what do these twenty four elders mean and where do they come from. The Levitical priesthood was divided into twenty-four courses and it was there at the time of Jesus. We see its continuance in Zacharias in<span> </span></span><a data-purpose="bible-reference" data-reference="Luke 1.5-9" data-version="esv" href="https://ref.ly/Luke%201.5-9;esv?t=biblia" rel="external nofollow" style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#111b27; font-size:15px; text-align:start" target="_blank">Luke 1:5-9</a><span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">, when the angel came to tell him while he was in the temple that he would have a son, who was John the Baptist.</span><br style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">
	<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%201%3A9&amp;version=KJV" rel="external nofollow" style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#1a3d65; font-size:15px; text-align:start" target="_blank">Luke 1:5-9</a><br style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.</span><br style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.</span><br style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">7 And they had no child, because that Elisabeth was barren, and they both were now well stricken in years.</span><br style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">8 And it came to pass, that while he executed the priest's office before God in the order of his course,</span><br style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">9 According to the custom of the priest's office, his lot was to burn incense when he went into the temple of the Lord.</span><br style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">
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	<span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">John in Revelation, saw four and twenty elders seated upon four and twenty seats, and they worshiped the Lamb, saying, “Thou hast redeemed us to God by Thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation.. and hast made us unto our God kings and priests.”</span><br style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">
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	<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%204%3A4&amp;version=KJV" rel="external nofollow" style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#1a3d65; font-size:15px; text-align:start" target="_blank">Revelation 4:4</a><br style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats</span><b style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start"><span> </span>I saw four and twenty elders sitting</b><span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.</span><br style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">
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	<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%205%3A10&amp;version=KJV" rel="external nofollow" style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#1a3d65; font-size:15px; text-align:start" target="_blank">Revelation 5:8-10</a><br style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">8 And when he had taken the book,<span> </span></span><b style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">the</b><span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start"><span> </span></span><b style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">four</b><span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start"><span> </span></span><b style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">beasts</b><span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start"><span> </span></span><b style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">and</b><span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start"><span> </span></span><b style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">four</b><span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start"><span> </span></span><b style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">and</b><span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start"><span> </span></span><b style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">twenty</b><span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start"><span> </span></span><b style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">elders</b><span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start"><span> </span></span><b style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">fell</b><span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start"><span> </span></span><b style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">down</b><span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start"><span> </span></span><b style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">before</b><span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start"><span> </span></span><b style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">the</b><span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start"><span> </span></span><b style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">Lamb</b><span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and</span><b style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start"><span> </span>hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;<span> </span></b><span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">10<span> </span></span><b style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start"><span style="color:#182839">And</span></b><span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start"><span> </span></span><b style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start"><span style="color:#182839">hast</span></b><span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start"><span> </span></span><b style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start"><span style="color:#182839">made</span></b><span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start"><span> </span></span><b style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start"><span style="color:#182839">us</span></b><span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start"><span> </span></span><b style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start"><span style="color:#182839">unto</span></b><span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start"><span> </span></span><b style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start"><span style="color:#182839">our</span></b><span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start"><span> </span></span><b style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start"><span style="color:#182839">God</span></b><span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start"><span> </span></span><b style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start"><span style="color:#182839">kings</span></b><span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start"><span> </span></span><b style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start"><span style="color:#182839">and</span></b><span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start"><span> </span></span><b style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start"><span style="color:#182839">priests</span></b><span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">:<span> </span></span><span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">and</span><span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start"><span> </span>we shall reign on the earth.</span><br style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">
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	<span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">In this we see the antitype of the twenty-four courses of priests. The chiefs, or elders, of each course have seats of honor, and they are kings and priests after the order of Melchizedek. Now we see the following in<span> </span></span><a data-purpose="bible-reference" data-reference="Matt 27.50-53" data-version="esv" href="https://ref.ly/Matt%2027.50-53;esv?t=biblia" rel="external nofollow" style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#111b27; font-size:15px; text-align:start" target="_blank">Matthew 27:50-53</a><span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">..</span><br style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">
	<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2027%3A53&amp;version=KJV" rel="external nofollow" style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#1a3d65; font-size:15px; text-align:start" target="_blank">Matthew 27:50-53</a><br style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.</span><br style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;</span><br style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,</span><br style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">53<span> </span></span><b style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.</b><br style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">
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	<span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">We see in Matthew the first fruits of those who rise from the dead after the resurrection of Christ, do they constitute the four and twenty elders? We see in Ephesians a clue:</span><br style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">
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	<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians%204%3A8&amp;version=KJV" rel="external nofollow" style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#1a3d65; font-size:15px; text-align:start" target="_blank">Ephesians 4:8</a><br style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led<span> </span></span><b style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">captivity</b><span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start"><span> </span></span><b style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">captive</b><span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">, and gave gifts unto men.</span><br style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">
	<span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">The marginal reading is, he led a “multitude of captives.”<span> </span></span><a data-purpose="bible-reference" data-reference="Eph.4.8" data-version="esv" href="https://ref.ly/Eph.4.8;esv?t=biblia" rel="external nofollow" style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#111b27; font-size:15px; text-align:start" target="_blank">Eph.4:8</a><span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">.</span><br style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">
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	<span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start">Is there a<span> </span></span><a href="https://www.gotquestions.org/led-captivity-captive.html" rel="external nofollow" style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#1a3d65; font-size:15px; text-align:start" target="_blank">answer</a><span style="background-color:#fcfcfd; color:#182839; font-size:15px; text-align:start"><span> </span>given here.</span>
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									<em>The Israel of God in Prophecy: Principles of Prophetic Interpretation</em><span> </span>by Hans K. LaRondelle
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									<span inslvl=""><strong inslvl="">This 1983 Andrews University Press book offers a covenantal theology approach to prophetic interpretation, challenging dispensationalism and focusing on the New Testament as the key to understanding Israel’s role in prophecy.</strong></span>
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									Hans K. LaRondelle’s<span> </span><em>The Israel of God in Prophecy: Principles of Prophetic Interpretation</em><span> </span>presents a biblical alternative to the dominant dispensationalist view of Israel. LaRondelle argues that the Bible should act as its own expositor, with the New Testament serving as the primary basis for interpreting Old Testament prophecies<span> </span><a data-hover-id="1" data-sups="1,2" h="ID=SERP.5548_1,5002.1" href="https://www.allbookstores.com/The-Israel-God-Prophecy-Principles/9780943872148" rel="external nofollow" src="" style="background-color:#f8f4f1; border-radius:4px; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.75); padding:1px 4px; vertical-align:middle" tabindex="0" target="_blank"><span>AllBookstores.com</span><strong>+1</strong></a>.
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											<span inslvl=""><strong inslvl="">Biblical Basis for Interpretation</strong>: LaRondelle emphasizes that prophetic interpretation should be grounded in Scripture itself, not in external systems like dispensationalism<span> </span><a data-hover-id="2" data-sups="1" h="ID=SERP.5548_1,5003.1" href="https://www.allbookstores.com/The-Israel-God-Prophecy-Principles/9780943872148" rel="external nofollow" src="" style="background-color:#f8f4f1; border-radius:4px; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.75); padding:1px 4px; vertical-align:middle" tabindex="0" target="_blank"><span>AllBookstores.com</span></a>.</span>
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											<span inslvl=""><strong inslvl="">Critique of Dispensationalism</strong>: The book directly addresses the origins and doctrines of dispensationalism, questioning whether they are biblically sound<span> </span><a data-hover-id="3" data-sups="1,2" h="ID=SERP.5548_1,5004.1" href="https://www.allbookstores.com/The-Israel-God-Prophecy-Principles/9780943872148" rel="external nofollow" src="" style="background-color:#f8f4f1; border-radius:4px; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.75); padding:1px 4px; vertical-align:middle" tabindex="0" target="_blank"><span>AllBookstores.com</span><strong>+1</strong></a>.</span>
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											<span inslvl=""><strong inslvl="">Old and New Testament Interrelation</strong>: It examines how Old Testament prophecies about Israel are fulfilled or interpreted through New Testament teaching, especially in Romans 9–11<span> </span><a data-hover-id="4" data-sups="2" h="ID=SERP.5548_1,5005.1" href="https://faithlife.com/store/product/47608/the-israel-of-god-in-prophecy-principles-of-prophetic-interpretation" rel="external nofollow" src="" style="background-color:#f8f4f1; border-radius:4px; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.75); padding:1px 4px; vertical-align:middle" tabindex="0" target="_blank"><span>Faithlife</span></a>.</span>
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											<span inslvl=""><strong inslvl="">Hermeneutical Principles</strong>: LaRondelle discusses literalism, allegorical, typological, and Christological interpretations, and the theological significance of Israel’s remnant<span> </span><a data-hover-id="5" data-sups="2" h="ID=SERP.5548_1,5006.1" href="https://faithlife.com/store/product/47608/the-israel-of-god-in-prophecy-principles-of-prophetic-interpretation" rel="external nofollow" src="" style="background-color:#f8f4f1; border-radius:4px; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.75); padding:1px 4px; vertical-align:middle" tabindex="0" target="_blank"><span>Faithlife</span></a>.</span>
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										<strong>End-Time Prophecy</strong>: The work engages with key apocalyptic passages, including Daniel’s 70 weeks, the predicted tribulation, and the hope for the church<span> </span><a data-hover-id="6" data-sups="2" h="ID=SERP.5548_1,5007.1" href="https://faithlife.com/store/product/47608/the-israel-of-god-in-prophecy-principles-of-prophetic-interpretation" rel="external nofollow" src="" style="background-color:#f8f4f1; border-radius:4px; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.75); padding:1px 4px; vertical-align:middle" tabindex="0" target="_blank"><span>Faithlife</span></a>.
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											<span inslvl=""><strong inslvl="">Israel’s Identity</strong>: LaRondelle redefines “Israel” in a way that aligns with New Testament teaching, rejecting the idea that Israel and the Church are always two separate covenant peoples<span> </span><a data-hover-id="7" data-sups="2" h="ID=SERP.5548_1,5008.1" href="https://faithlife.com/store/product/47608/the-israel-of-god-in-prophecy-principles-of-prophetic-interpretation" rel="external nofollow" src="" style="background-color:#f8f4f1; border-radius:4px; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.75); padding:1px 4px; vertical-align:middle" tabindex="0" target="_blank"><span>Faithlife</span></a>.</span>
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											<span inslvl=""><strong inslvl="">Final Goal</strong>: The book affirms that the ultimate goal of redemptive history is a new earth, not a restored earthly Israel<span> </span><a data-hover-id="9" data-sups="2" h="ID=SERP.5548_1,5010.1" href="https://faithlife.com/store/product/47608/the-israel-of-god-in-prophecy-principles-of-prophetic-interpretation" rel="external nofollow" src="" style="background-color:#f8f4f1; border-radius:4px; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.75); padding:1px 4px; vertical-align:middle" tabindex="0" target="_blank"><span>Faithlife</span></a>.</span>
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									The book is aimed at theologians, pastors, and serious Bible students seeking a sound hermeneutical method for prophetic interpretation. It is considered one of the most accessible and biblically grounded critiques of dispensationalism available<span> </span><a data-hover-id="10" data-sups="1" h="ID=SERP.5548_1,5011.1" href="https://www.allbookstores.com/The-Israel-God-Prophecy-Principles/9780943872148" rel="external nofollow" src="" style="background-color:#f8f4f1; border-radius:4px; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.75); padding:1px 4px; vertical-align:middle" tabindex="0" target="_blank"><span>AllBookstores.com</span></a>.
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									<span inslvl="">Published by Andrews University Press, the book is available in print and digital formats through various retailers and libraries<span> </span><a data-hover-id="11" data-sups="2,3" h="ID=SERP.5548_1,5013.1" href="https://faithlife.com/store/product/47608/the-israel-of-god-in-prophecy-principles-of-prophetic-interpretation" rel="external nofollow" src="" style="background-color:#f8f4f1; border-radius:4px; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.75); padding:1px 4px; vertical-align:middle" tabindex="0" target="_blank"><span>Faithlife</span><strong>+1</strong></a>.</span>
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									<span inslvl="">If you are interested in a non-dispensationalist, covenantal theology approach to prophecy, this work is a foundational text for understanding Israel’s role in Scripture.</span>
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	Adventist Today and Spectrum are two independent publications that do not officially speak for the SDA Church.  Each informs as to news that is not easily available, and each evaluates the SDA Church.  Both publish a journal that is sent to a few people.  Both publish on the Internet that is available to a much larger group of people.  Those two publications are different.  On May 17, 2026, Spectrum is expected to post a unique article that differs from its past publications in two aspects.  You may read that article at:  <a href="https://spectrummagazine.org/views/opinion/a-catholic-and-an-adventist-disagree-over-trinity-interpretations-yet-find-friendship-online/" ipsnoembed="true" rel="external nofollow">https://spectrummagazine.org/views/opinion/a-catholic-and-an-adventist-disagree-over-trinity-interpretations-yet-find-friendship-online/</a>
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	* One of the unusual aspects is that the article was written by two different people.  I am only one of those people.
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	*  The second unique aspect of that article is that the second author is a devout Roman Catholic ho posts on Club Adventist under the name Gustave.  Here he freely posts his overall thinking of Adventism.  My position is that it is helpful to understand how other people think about us.
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	NOTE:  I have decided to unlock this thread even though the article has not yet been posted.   I expect that it will be posted later today--Sunday, the 17th.
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