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Interesting point, but you can't create a doctrine from one verse. I see that throughout scripture it shows that we die and go into a rest and wait there for the return of Jesus. Also from what I understand Paul seems to be letting them know that when they die in Jesus that the next thing will be that when Jesus comes that's what they will know, that they will be with Jesus??

I'd say that the author of the article you posted presents the position of historic Christianity (Catholic & Eastern Orthodox) & the Reformers. I grant that some "Restorationist" groups teach that at death the person is separated from God and remains in a vegetative or unconscious state until the resurrection of the body. This is because (from my understanding of some restorationist groups) that there ISN'T a soul apart from the living body - the concept here appears to be that at the creation of man God breathed into a clay or mud man and the combination of God's breath and the mud man caused man to become a "living soul". Thus a "soul" is understood in the sense that during a shipwreck it can be said that 81 souls were lost - this is because it's believed there isn't such a thing as "spirits" or "souls" apart from a living person because a living person is a spirit or soul. This is why I brought up the Gospel account of where Jesus rebukes the Sadducees for not believing those who previously died were very much alive.

Few people have any idea as to how their privacy may have been compromised. I recently read an article that listed several instances in which privacy had been violated. One given example was of a woman who discovered that she was being watched while breastfeeding her child, in her own home! Some people attempt to hide behind websites that promise to hide your identity behind an Internet Service Provider (ISP) that will make it impossible to trace. What they do not realize is that many of those will cooperate with civil authorities, when formally requested, in identifying an individual Several years ago, a member of this forum received some pornography from a person who had assumed the identity of a General Conference (SDA) official. The message containing that porn was traced to an ISP in another country. I turned that information over to the General Conference. That ISP cooperated and steps were taken to prevent the individual who has sent that e-mail from doing so again. The bottom line is: If you are on the Internet, you can be traced. I have a close relative who is in law enforcement. I have another close relative who is a software engineer in Silicon Valley, and I have recently consulted with a person who prosecutes such crimes.

I appreciate the good word. As a note on a current case: I have personally consulted an attorney who specializes in criminal law, as well as other specialists, and others. I (we) are following advice not to further publicize the specific circumstances of that case. So, there are valid reasons why we are not talking about it and will not allow discussion of that case to become public.

LifeHiscost speaking, especially to Debbyn re: me and my wife's welfare, computer problems and we're using the library computer when we can get to town. Also major auto expenses calling for restrictions to travel. Appreciate any prayers offered on our behalf. Hope to see the end of the present problems soon, health is good for both of us except for memory and some need for cooking capacity. LoL Keep looking up. I really believe Jesus is on the verge of making His appearance. God is love!~Jesus saves!

Well, we live in a society where people love to litigate. As good Christians we have to adapt to that society. E.G. Under U.S. Federal law, every owner of a discussion type website must take certain steps to determine whether or not any people 13 years of age and under participate in that website. If such are participating, Federal law requires the compliance with certain safeguards. A failure to comply has consequences. Outside of legal requirements,, we as church members must consider ethical implications of certain issues. This may require us to take certain steps that may not be required by law. The law does not determine our ethics.

And aside from not assuming everyone with the SDA moniker means "safe": 1) never EVER post online when you will be away from your home 2) do not post your date of birth, where you were born, or where you live 3) if you post obituaries, always edit out the names of children and where they live 4) do not post photos of your children with their names 5) do not post the name(s) of your parents or siblings

Just for clarification, and I told a member I would respond publicly. I know some have had struggles in the past and crossed lines, truth is, we all have, some got caught and others did not. Our concern is what happens in here now and in the future. If someone approaches you for fund raising, or private things that they should not be asking for, Please contact Gregory. I know in the past we have raised money for members in need, and some of them were. Some of them according to reports were NOT. AND we paid for their week long parties. Still others sought after widows for funds to "Fill desperate needs". None of the above fill the mission of this forum. Thanks to Gregory for his comments and wanting to protect people here.

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