Moderators lazarus Posted August 8, 2011 Moderators Share Posted August 8, 2011 Originally Posted By: abelisle This is a forum not a tribunal! ... I'm beginning to see that there are some who would like to see nothing less than a pogrom take place in the SDA church. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Moderators lazarus Posted August 8, 2011 Moderators Share Posted August 8, 2011 Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobRyan Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Originally Posted By: Twilight II ...The minute it isn't, it becomes a "liberal think tank" that discusse Adventism, rather than an Adventist board...So many Adventists confuse "liberalism" with "love"... EGW said that the pharisees considered Jesus to be far too 'liberal'. At times Ellen White affirms the liberalism that is willing to look at SDA doctrinal views and given them serious study while at other times she condemns liberalism. in Christ, Bob Quote John 8:32 - The Truth will make you free“The righteousness of Christ will not cover one cherished sin." COL 316. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobRyan Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 I know Teresa, you accuse me of being a Spiritualist because I present the biblical truth that the Holy Spirit dwells in the heart... 2Cr 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts. Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. And condemn me because I believe the heart is the seat of the emotions... But how exactly does that conflict with any of the 28 fundamental beliefs of the church. Which one am I throwing out by holding to these truths? :-) Ok that gets to the point of my curiousity -- what is wrong with what you have stated above? I must have missed it in Christ, Bob Quote John 8:32 - The Truth will make you free“The righteousness of Christ will not cover one cherished sin." COL 316. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aliensanctuary Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Some of my ideas are definitely unorthodox, but hopefully they are closer to being more true than not. I have, regretfully, posted uncomplimentary comments about the Founding Fathers and Mothers, and never been censored. Some of my silly, unrelated posts have been deleted by the moderator, and I'm ok with that, since they contributed nothing to the discussion. I have appreciated the moderators challenging my thoughts that are definitely not mainstream SDA. Over the years I have "evolved", that is, changed into a person who believes that the Kingdom of God transcends any religion, church, or denomination. All of those create artificial borders, keeping people in, keeping people out. I don't believe it's important whether or not someone believes EGW is a prophet, or that the SDA Church is the only true church. What's most important is that we listen to, and obey, our Creator. He's got a few simple rules that take care of everything we need to know... Quote The Parable of the Lamb and the Pigpen https://www.createspace.com/3401451 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Posted August 9, 2011 Author Share Posted August 9, 2011 lots of good stuff... We NEVER want to post a sign that says "all who visit here never have to think for themselves again" Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobRyan Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 One of the problems that people in communist countries had when exposed to capitalism and democracy was the task of having to "make so many choices". If we cling to the 28 Fundamental Beliefs without knowing what they really are or that they compare so well against the every-wind-of-doctrine alternative, we do not do ourselves or the church any favor. All must study for themselves to know the basis and the foundation upon which they stand. Every Christian all up and down the street will claim that they love Christ and all their views are Christ centered and Bible based. Clearly making those claims is far easier than demonstrating them to be true. in Christ, Bob Quote John 8:32 - The Truth will make you free“The righteousness of Christ will not cover one cherished sin." COL 316. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teresaq Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 You would have to go through the threads he started on the HS and the heart as just Twilight to know what is being discussed. Originally Posted By: Twilight II I know Teresa, you accuse me of being a Spiritualist because I present the biblical truth that the Holy Spirit dwells in the heart... 2Cr 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts. Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. And condemn me because I believe the heart is the seat of the emotions... But how exactly does that conflict with any of the 28 fundamental beliefs of the church. Which one am I throwing out by holding to these truths? :-) Ok that gets to the point of my curiousity -- what is wrong with what you have stated above? I must have missed it in Christ, Bob Quote facebook. /teresa.quintero.790 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teresaq Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 You have certainly given me pause at times, to put it mildly, other times the spirituality has wowed me. Some of my ideas are definitely unorthodox, but hopefully they are closer to being more true than not. I have, regretfully, posted uncomplimentary comments about the Founding Fathers and Mothers, and never been censored. Some of my silly, unrelated posts have been deleted by the moderator, and I'm ok with that, since they contributed nothing to the discussion. Quote facebook. /teresa.quintero.790 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aliensanctuary Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Club Adventist is like a bunch of the guys getting into a discussion after watching a game on TV. Well, some of them do drink beer and cuss a little, or sometimes more than a little. Sometimes the topic turns toward religion. In the group there might be an atheist, one or more evolutionists, some pro-abortionists, and one or two that attend church. These guys have no reservations about speaking their minds, and yes, sometimes things get a little heated because some people feel very strongly about their beliefs. Of course, there is disagreement in such a diverse group. That's only human nature. Now, there's a Friday Night Bible Study Group going on at the local SDA Church. Most everyone attending is already SDA, probably for years, and maybe one or two attend that aren't. The group leader keeps tight control of the discussion, and rarely allows interruptions that aren't relevant to the topic of the evening. These two groups are not likely to mix very much. Each has their intended purpose. One discussion may be interrupted with a cuss-word or two and a sip of beer. The other is carefully controlled, sterile, that is. The no-holds-barred football group is probably unlikely to want to join the much quieter Bible Study Group, and vice versa. So, we live in a big world, and there's room for everyone to discuss religion wherever they feel comfortable. If there's a Christian in the football group, he can speak his piece if he so chooses. Horror of horrors if someone came to Friday Night Bible Study Group smelling a little of beer and cigarettes. Now about the lesbians... Quote The Parable of the Lamb and the Pigpen https://www.createspace.com/3401451 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teresaq Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Yes, it can be quite difficult to not be controlling on the one hand, yet keep a particular forum at least civil and "Please do try to at least address the arguments I'm presenting, rather than something you're projecting onto them." It seems there is more ego involved than a true desire to be found not wanting in the final day. I have to admit guilt myself far, far too often. Quote facebook. /teresa.quintero.790 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aliensanctuary Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Yes, tq, it's way too easy to mis-read or speed-read posts and create strawmen so we can demolish them with our brilliant logic and arsenal of quotes. If we were speaking face-to-face we could clear things up quickly with instant feedback. Here, things go quite a bit slower, and too much time has already passed before we can clarify our statements or correct a mis-quote, and so, the damage is already done. The hastily-created strawmen tend to make us look like fools. But you're far too right about the ego problem hijacking public bible study. The other guy is always wrong because I have the Truth. It's innate until self is destroyed. Quote The Parable of the Lamb and the Pigpen https://www.createspace.com/3401451 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teresaq Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Those that do that seem like such nice, people when they are amongst their own with no "enemies" to fight! Quote facebook. /teresa.quintero.790 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted August 9, 2011 Moderators Share Posted August 9, 2011 I'd be delighted if, instead of the metaphor of a single room, we could think of this place as 'in my Father's house are many mansions'. There's room enough here for both of the groups Aliensanctuary described so nicely, and many more besides. What we've seen in this thread is some of the people from the Friday night Bible study deciding that every group in every mansion must be just like their group. Nup. Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeHiscost Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 lots of good stuff... We NEVER want to post a sign that says "all who visit here never have to think for themselves again" God blesses! Quote Lift Jesus up!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeHiscost Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Now about the lesbians... "For the Son of Man came to seek and save those who are lost."Luke 19:10 NLT God blesses! Quote Lift Jesus up!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeHiscost Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 I'd be delighted if, instead of the metaphor of a single room, we could think of this place as 'in my Father's house are many mansions'. There's room enough here for both of the groups Aliensanctuary described so nicely, and many more besides. What we've seen in this thread is some of the people from the Friday night Bible study deciding that every group in every mansion must be just like their group. Nup. Despite the rhetoric about the Friday night Bible Study, though seldom more than 8 show up, One has always been there when we've attended. We attend whether or not others approve. "For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.”"Matthew 18:20 NKJV Thank You for coming Lord. While we're here, would You reveal our Father to us from the Word as you have promised? "“My Father has entrusted everything to me. No one truly knows the Son except the Father, and no one truly knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.”"Matthew 11:27 NLT God blesses! Quote Lift Jesus up!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted August 9, 2011 Moderators Share Posted August 9, 2011 No-one is trying to stop anyone attending. Or to stop anyone encouraging others to attend. And so on. *All* we want is to stop people *forcing* others to attend: and forcibly shutting down all other gatherings. Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted August 9, 2011 Moderators Share Posted August 9, 2011 The no-holds-barred football group is probably unlikely to want to join the much quieter Bible Study Group, and vice versa. So, we live in a big world, and there's room for everyone to discuss religion wherever they feel comfortable. If there's a Christian in the football group, he can speak his piece if he so chooses. Horror of horrors if someone came to Friday Night Bible Study Group smelling a little of beer and cigarettes. Now about the lesbians... Actually, I love your description here. We would want our Bible Study Group to attract all kinds of people, including those who have no knowledge of the Bible or even of God, or those who are thinking of rejoining the church. Or simply those who feel a hunger after God or things spiritual. We would want everyone to feel "at home." Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight II Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 Originally Posted By: Twilight II I know Teresa, you accuse me of being a Spiritualist because I present the biblical truth that the Holy Spirit dwells in the heart... 2Cr 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts. Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. And condemn me because I believe the heart is the seat of the emotions... But how exactly does that conflict with any of the 28 fundamental beliefs of the church. Which one am I throwing out by holding to these truths? :-) Ok that gets to the point of my curiousity -- what is wrong with what you have stated above? I must have missed it in Christ, Bob Teresa likes to claim that because I hold these things to be true, I am a "spiritualist" and spreading "spiritualism" on this board. :-) She seems to have no concern that she may herself actually be blaspheming the Holy Spirit by claiming my beliefs are spiritualism. When I am simply asserting the above texts in their most basic form... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight II Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 I'd be delighted if, instead of the metaphor of a single room, we could think of this place as 'in my Father's house are many mansions'. There's room enough here for both of the groups Aliensanctuary described so nicely, and many more besides. What we've seen in this thread is some of the people from the Friday night Bible study deciding that every group in every mansion must be just like their group. Nup. No one has suggested that all should not discuss things here. What has been stated is that if this is to go under the description of an "Adventist" board, it should be governed by Adventists. There is a distinct difference between the two points... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overaged Posted August 9, 2011 Share Posted August 9, 2011 No-one is trying to stop anyone attending. Or to stop anyone encouraging others to attend. And so on. *All* we want is to stop people *forcing* others to attend: and forcibly shutting down all other gatherings. Huh? You lost me. Quote "People [rarely] see...the bright light which is in the clouds..." (Job 37:21)"I cannot know why suddenly the stormshould rage so fiercely round me in it's wrathBut this I know: God watches all my pathAnd I can trust""God helps us to draw strength from the storm" - OveragedFaith makes things possible; it does not make them easy, Steps To Christ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted August 9, 2011 Moderators Share Posted August 9, 2011 Extended metaphor. Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted August 9, 2011 Administrators Share Posted August 9, 2011 ... At times Ellen White affirms the liberalism that is willing to look at SDA doctrinal views and given them serious study while at other times she condemns liberalism. Bob, I would like to challenge you to prove this along with a comparison of all she had to say about being conservative. But since it is off-topic for this discussion, start a new topic to dig into that. Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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