Moderators Bravus Posted April 13, 2008 Moderators Share Posted April 13, 2008 I agree about McCain. In the Republican debates he was the one candidate who came out strongly against torture, and I'm absolutely delighted that if you guys end up with a Republican president it will be him. I strongly disagree that under a Democrat president America would be torturing. The torture mentality comes out of a hawkish, militaristic machismo that is the exclusive property of the right in America. Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 "The torture mentality comes out of a hawkish, militaristic machismo that is the exclusive property of the right in America." I don't think there is much support for that opinion. The CIA was using torture long before the Republicans won the White House. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted April 15, 2008 Moderators Share Posted April 15, 2008 Bush was in the loop too: http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/04/14/torture/index.html Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted April 15, 2008 Author Share Posted April 15, 2008 Quote: Torture is, you know, illegal, immoral, un-American, etc. As Dan Froomkin noted today, "If you consider what the government did to be torture, which is a crime according to U.S. and international law, Bush's statement shifts his role from being an accessory after the fact to being part of a conspiracy to commit." Couldn't have said it better myself.... Any wonder why I should be thinking that this administration should be tried for crimes against humanity...? Bush is a warmonger.... Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted April 15, 2008 Author Share Posted April 15, 2008 I agree about McCain. In the Republican debates he was the one candidate who came out strongly against torture, and I'm absolutely delighted that if you guys end up with a Republican president it will be him. a journalist at the Associated Press' national conference today asked John McCain about torturing detainees, saying, "Don't we stand for something better?" McCain responded: "I've made it very clear, I've made it very clear in my statements and in my support of the Detainee Treatment Act, the Geneva Conventions, etc., that there may be some additional techniques to be used, but none of those would violate the Geneva Conventions, the Detainee Treatment Act.... And we cannot ever, in my view, torture any American, that includes waterboarding." Well, there's a bold declaration from Mr. Straight Talk. He does not believe that the U.S. government should torture U.S. citizens. What a relief. I'm glad that's clear too....McCain is against any torture to a US citizen by the US government. Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted April 15, 2008 Moderators Share Posted April 15, 2008 Let me put it another way. I believe the people who are opposing torture and harsh treatment are doing so, not to score political points against the current government, but because they firmly believe that torture and harsh treatment are morally wrong. That is why I do not believe that their positions would be reversed were the label of the government reversed. Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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