Stan Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 -- Sen. Hillary Clinton will win the Pennsylvania Democratic primary, CNN projects. Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted April 23, 2008 Moderators Share Posted April 23, 2008 Any idea of the margin? She needs a fairly big one, not so much in real terms as in terms of perception. A razor-thin win would be unhelpful for her. Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amelia Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 No margin has been given yet because all the votes aren't in yet. Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasd Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 One supposes that a double digit win would be nice; however, "No general election is won without Pennsylvania." --Senator Bob Casey, Jr. (...a 'bama supporter) How might that statement, by a high-profile 'bama supporter, translate vis-à-vis the chances of a brokered convention this fall in Denver, isn't it? Were I 'bama, I would not welcome that admittance. Small victories, such as they are... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Looks like double digits for Hillary. I guess that ... Big Bucks + Bitter Gate = 'Bama Loss Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 It doesn't look like she is going to get her double digit win. No one was expecting Obama to win Pennsylvania. Quotes like "No general election is won without Pennsylvania." are just stupid. The primaries only have one party voting in them. The general election has everyone. Kerry won Pennsylvania in 2004 and it didn't take him to the White House. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Posted April 23, 2008 Author Share Posted April 23, 2008 So what is her overall position? Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted April 23, 2008 Moderators Share Posted April 23, 2008 About 140-150 pledged delegates behind, and about 20 superdelegates ahead, according to CNN. Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 It doesn't look like she is going to get her double digit win. No one was expecting Obama to win Pennsylvania. Quotes like "No general election is won without Pennsylvania." are just stupid. The primaries only have one party voting in them. The general election has everyone. Kerry won Pennsylvania in 2004 and it didn't take him to the White House. Fox is reporting that with 96% of the vote in ... she has a 10% lead. (55% - 45%) And to Stan's question .... It leaves Obama around 100 delegates ahead. But neither will have enough delegates in the end ... to win. So, it will be up to the super-delegates. And in that catagory ... Clinton has the lead. Bottom line .... So far it is a tie with nothing in sight to say it won't end with a tie. Oh Boy Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Quote: according to CNN Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Al Jazeera English is reporting that Clinton is winning with 10% too. Pundits were saying she needed 20% to turn heads and really make herself viable. This just keeps her fighting. She needs to win Indiana now because if she loses both North Carolina and Indiana in the same day that may be the nail in her coffin. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 I think that the 10% will cause enough confusion to bring a McCain victory in the fall and that is all I want. Many of the critics were saying that if she got more than 5% it would cause trouble. She is after the most popular votes especially if MI and FL are added. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted April 23, 2008 Moderators Share Posted April 23, 2008 10% = a net gain of 9 delegates or there abouts. In a few days this will be seen for what it is. Too little too late! Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 It is unfair to count Florida and Michigan because Obama did not campaign in those places. He spent no money there. His name wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan! Hillary needed at least 10% to stay in the race. She got that minimum. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 I guess she didn't quite get the 10% after all. Only 9.2% Sorry, no double digit win Hillary. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 I guess she didn't quite get the 10% after all. Only 9.2% Sorry, no double digit win Hillary. Sorry Shane. Not all the votes were counted with that figure. ABC News tonight reported it at 10% . Gotcha ... Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 Not sure where ABC is getting their information. Mine is from the Pennsylvania State Department with 9,219 out of 9,264 Districts (99.51%) Reporting Statewide. I guess there is still some room for that to move. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasd Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 >>Quotes like "No general election is won without Pennsylvania." are just stupid. The primaries only have one party voting in them.<< I agree. Casey was ill-advised to make such a statement; however, I don't think you're reading him correctly, per the comment on "primaries". Should the convention end up in smoke-filled rooms - statements such as Casey's ought to prove persuasive for at least a few super delegates needing only that slight push... A coupla' things: The fact that 'bama failed to canvass Michigan and Florida seems to argue, glaringly, that Clinton was the wiser and the more astute - to cover all her bases, regardless. Whas wid 'bama? and why does his campaign oppose a Michigan re-vote? guess he don't care nothin' for such as hangin' chads and such, eh? ...franchise out the window, where it's expedient, eh? Anytheways, as it stands, counting all votes..., Clinton now leads the popular vote. Mebbe, we'll all be treated to a grand ol' time in the city Denver this fall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 Obama was playing by the rules. Since the Democrat National Committee (DNC) said Florida and Michigan were not going to count because they moved their primaries, he would have been wasting his time and money to campaign there. The DNC needs to stand by their decision or such threats in the future will not be taken seriously by state parties. In the issue of the Pennsylvania comment, normally the nominee is chosen long before the Pennsylvania primary. Logic only tells us that the chosen candidate is going to win the state's primary. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted April 24, 2008 Moderators Share Posted April 24, 2008 Yep. Apparently Republicans are fervently against rewarding rulebreaking... except when they aren't. Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olger Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 A note of historical interest. When feminism and Civil Rights crossed swords in the past, civil rights won. If it goes to the convention, look for Obama to come out on top. onward, oG Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 I could be wrong but I think that if Obama gets the endorsement he will win against McCain. However, if Hillary gets the endorsement then McCain will win the election. What do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 I would concur.... Although it could be a close race, I still see Clinton losing to McCain...and most of the reason is that we KNOW what Clinton is...we have seen her and know what type of politics she will employ....We don't want the old style of politiking... I think that McCain will temper his dirty tricks, and so will Obama...I think that it will be a race of issues, and substance, rather than liberal vs conservative...And it will be a good thing.... Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 Quote: Apparently Republicans are fervently against rewarding rulebreaking... except when they aren't. What do the Republicans have to do with this? I think I am missing something. We are talking about the Democratic primary and rules made for it by Democrats, aren't we? Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 Quote: Clinton now leads the popular vote. I had heard that. More people have voted for her than Obama. Interesting. It should make the super delegates think twice. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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