Moderators lazarus Posted April 25, 2008 Moderators Share Posted April 25, 2008 Can you guess who the black man is on the far right of the picture? Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amelia Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 I have a failing moniter here at work and cannot see the pic very well. But just guessing from the letter I would say Rev Jeremiah Wright. Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted April 25, 2008 Share Posted April 25, 2008 Sounds like an unfair attack on Fox. I think the entire thing of tying Wright to Obama has been overdone by the media but... they are in the business of making money and tying a radical like Wright to a serious presidential candidate is going to be good for ratings. Fox certainly is not the only network doing that. On the other side, I don't think Wright's service as a marine when he was a young man makes him incapable of being anti-American. I think that is a pretty weak defense of him. From what I have seen, Wright is anti-American and very racist. He causes a greater divide in racial relations in the US and is not an asset to either the black or any other community in that respect. However I don't buy into the argument that Obama is the same and that Obama must be the same since he r3emained in his church for 20 years. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted April 25, 2008 Moderators Share Posted April 25, 2008 There's no reason not to show such a picture and point out that Jeremiah Wright helped with the medical team working on President Lyndon B. Johnson. That was good of him and part of his work, and I am thankful that he did it; but you have to admit that it is not exactly relevant to the issue of what he preached in his pulpit after 9/11. The photo was taken in 1966, a very long time ago. People do alter, and Wright showed how he changed. What people did 40+ years before really doesn't excuse their outrageous actions or words. If you see a relevant relationship between that photo and what Wright said in his pulpit, let us know what it is. But really no one is saying that Jeremiah Wright never did anything good or that he is a completely bad person. He was free to say what he did. The real problem is that Obama has never explained satisfactorily why he continued to sit in that church for years after he knew Wright's teachings and beliefs. It goes to the issue of Obama's thinking and judgment. Americans are interested in this because they know so little about Obama, so they have a responsibility to understand the man really well before they go to the polls to elect the next president. You have to remember that they have pictures of Lee Harvey Oswald sitting near John Wayne when Oswald was in the Marine Corp. That fact, however, is, course, not relevant to his assassination of John Kennedy. (I am not putting Wright in the same category as Oswald. I am merely showing that simply the fact that someone was in the military and did something commendable does not excuse what that person does years later.) Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amelia Posted April 26, 2008 Share Posted April 26, 2008 OK, I am watching Bill Moyers journal right now. In that picture standing behind Jeremiah Wright is Bill Moyer. Also Bill Moyer belongs to a United Church of Christ church. One thing that I am curious about right now. Dr Wright in speaking many yrs ago during the apartheid struggle stated that according to the Word, racism is wrong. Can someone point me to that in the bible please? Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amelia Posted April 26, 2008 Share Posted April 26, 2008 Here is the link to Bill Moyers Journal where there is a link allowing you to watch the show online. http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04252008/profile.html Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted April 26, 2008 Members Share Posted April 26, 2008 Shabbat Shalom Amelia: I went onto bibleinfo.com and typed in racism and this is what I got for an answer: 1-We are all one in Christ. It's in the Bible, Galatians 3:28, TLB. "We are no longer Jews or Greeks or slaves or free men or even merely men or women, but we are all the same-we are christians; we are one in Christ." 2-Racism is a sin. It's in the Bible, James 2:8-9, NIV. "If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, 'Love you neighbor as yourself,' you are doing right. But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers." 3-All men have the same blood. It's in the Bible, Acts 17:26, KJV. "And has made of one bllod all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth." 4-God accepts people from every race, culture and nation. It's in the Bible, Acts 10:34,35, NIV. "Then Peter began to speak: "I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism but accepts men from every nation who fear Him and do what is right.'" It really doesn't say the word racism per se. I hope this helps. pkrause Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amelia Posted April 26, 2008 Share Posted April 26, 2008 Thank you pkrause. I knew it wouldn't use the word racism but was curious as to which text could be interpreted as such. Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted April 26, 2008 Share Posted April 26, 2008 The parable of the Good Samaritan is a classic teaching against racism. In modern terms Jesus told a story of a KKK member who was attacked and left for dead. Two well-respected members of the white community pass by and do nothing to help him. A black man then comes across him, nurses his wounds, takes him to an inn and pays the bill for his stay. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted April 26, 2008 Members Share Posted April 26, 2008 I like that interpretation very much shane. Great update to today's awful world. pkrause Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted April 28, 2008 Author Moderators Share Posted April 28, 2008 e to admit that it is not exactly relevant to the issue of what he preached in his pulpit after 9/11. The photo was taken in 1966, a very long time ago. Its very relevant because the GOP candidate's uses his war record as a key "selling" point. He patriotism is not questioned precisely because of what he did 40+ years ago. Even though McCain has made numerous gaffs and policy errors he's given a pass because he was tortured. Fox won't spend much time on Wright's military record becasue it does not fit the picture they are trying to paint of an unpatriotic rabble rouser. Every day this week Fox has had Wright story on their home page. They're taking the lead on giving time and space to GOP talking points. Nothing new there. Quote: People do alter, and Wright showed how he changed. How has he changed? what did he believe 40 years ago? Can you post some examples? Its all about image and perception. To tell the world that he is a veteran and that that he took care of a president presents him, the man, in a different light. It adds color to the monochrome image that fox and others on the far right like to present. For me Wright shows the difference between a patriot and a Nationalist! By the way I agree with a lot of what he said in the speech in question. I would preach that stuff in church myself but his analysis is correct. Here's the context of the speech just in case Fox hasn't shown it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvMbeVQj6Lw Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted April 28, 2008 Share Posted April 28, 2008 Each news agency makes decisions about what stories to run with based on what they believe will bring in the highest ratings. It is all about money. FOXNews is no different. Those that think FOXNews is somehow an arm of the GOP simply do not understand media operations. FOX is the king of the hill and the one on top is always going to be attacked by those in less envious positions. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted April 28, 2008 Share Posted April 28, 2008 Each news agency makes decisions about what stories to run with based on what they believe will bring in the highest ratings. It is all about money. FOXNews is no different. Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve.  George Bernard Shaw  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted April 29, 2008 Share Posted April 29, 2008 Quote: Gee, I thought accuracy was a primary goal of news agencys, because if you don't have accuracy, then you are no better than the National Enquirer.... Accuracy is important because without accuracy the ratings will disappear. It all goes back to ratings. The reason FOXNews is #1 is because more people trust them. Without that trust, they would lose their audience. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted April 29, 2008 Moderators Share Posted April 29, 2008 Did you like what Jeremiah Wright has been saying lately? Is this someone who is trying to help Obama or hurt him? It seems to me that he is doing much more to hurt him than to help him. He said that Obama is just saying what a politician has to say to get elected, and he also said that the issues brought up are not really about Wright but an attack on the black church? Do you believe that? I don't. As far as I know, it's not the black churches that are saying the things that Wright has been heard saying. Besides, it has been about Obama and not about Wright. Wright has a right to say whatever he wants, but the issue really is about Obama's thinking, values, and judgment. Americans have a responsibility to ask these questions, which are not so much about Wright as about the man who would be the next American president. We need to know him well, and the problem is that not very much is known about him. You can learn a lot about a person by looking at who their friends are, and you can learn a lot about the way a person thinks by looking at the thinking of a person's "spiritual mentor" and pastor. So far I don't like what I see. Last night during an interview of Obama that was on Fox news, I was coming to the point of thinking I could possibly be persuaded to vote for Obama; but then soon after that, they showed the president of the NAACP introducing Jeremiah Wright. Then again tonight I saw Wright answering questions before the NAACP. With friends like that, Obama doesn't need any enemies. I don't want to hear things like that for the next 4 or 8 years, which I believe I am likely to, if Obama is elected president. Anyone who is defending Jeremiah Wright's words at this point is not doing Obama a favor, and in my opinion, the best thing Obama could do is come out with a strong denunciation of Wright's views so that America can know that if elected, they won't have a man in the White House who thinks like Wright. That is what tens of millions of Americans are going to be thinking about when they go into the voting booth come November. Who really is Obama? Is it really possible that Obama attended that man's church for 20 years and had no share in his beliefs or ideas? That's what I am bothered about, and if I am, then I know lots of others are too. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted April 29, 2008 Share Posted April 29, 2008 I want a president I can be proud of. A president like Reagan and the Bushes. Clinton was such an embarrassment. I agree that Clinton did a lot of good things while in office but he came off as a playboy. When leaving he made that comment that no president ever had as much fun while in office as he did. Well, having a lover under his desk giving him oral favors while he is on the phone with foreign heads of state may be fun but not what I am looking for in a President. It was shameless how he made crude jokes about the girls soccer team when they won the World Cup and visited the White House. It undermined their accomplishment and reduced them to being just sex objects for the President to ogle. I am a bit nervous about Obama's judicial philosophy but I prefer him every day and all day long above the soap opera the Clintons will bring back to the White House. I do pray "Thine will be done" but please God, don't make the Clintons in the White House Your will. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted April 29, 2008 Moderators Share Posted April 29, 2008 I am a bit nervous about Obama's judicial philosophy but I prefer him every day and all day long above the soap opera the Clintons will bring back to the White House. I do pray "Thine will be done" but please God, don't make the Clintons in the White House Your will. I agree, Shane. I haven't made up my mind about who I will vote for, but like you, I just pray that God's will will be done in electing our next president. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted April 29, 2008 Share Posted April 29, 2008 FOXNews released the results of a viewer poll tonight. The question was if FOX's coverage of Wright has been too hard on Obama. 47% Too Easy 42% Fair 9% Too Hard That's the answer. No hidden agenda. Their agenda is giving their audience what their audience wants. It is all about ratings. Ratings are money. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted April 29, 2008 Moderators Share Posted April 29, 2008 I liked most of what Obama had to say on Fox news Sunday night in the interview with Wallace. I don't think Fox is being too hard on him myself. People have a right and responsibility to ask questions and find out the answers before a person is elected. Both McCain and Mrs. Clinton are widely known, but most Americans really know very little about Obama because he hasn't been under public scrutiny for very long. People want to know how he thinks and who his friends are. He ought to go to Fox more often and let the people get to know him well. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted May 1, 2008 Author Moderators Share Posted May 1, 2008 FOXNews released the results of a viewer poll tonight. The question was if FOX's coverage of Wright has been too hard on Obama. 47% Too Easy 42% Fair 9% Too Hard That's the answer. No hidden agenda. Their agenda is giving their audience what their audience wants. It is all about ratings. Ratings are money. Aw come on. Isn't that like asking foxes whether they are mean to chickens? Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted May 1, 2008 Share Posted May 1, 2008 Quote: Aw com on. Isn't that like asking foxes whether they are mean to chickens? Oh, Laz, now you know that Foxes dispatch chickens humainly..... Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve.  George Bernard Shaw  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted May 1, 2008 Author Moderators Share Posted May 1, 2008 look they're playing tag! Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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