Moderators John317 Posted July 3, 2008 Moderators Share Posted July 3, 2008 Obama's view: Patriotism is supporting your government whenever it deserves it. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/30/1176209.aspx Compare with McCain's View: http://news.yahoo.com/page/parade/patriotism/mccain http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1818037,00.html John McCain's Sons-Truth! But the Obama quote is Fiction! Summary of the eRumor: A story about John McCain visiting the New Hampshire home of Erin Flanagan, a mother whose son was killed in action in Iraq. McCain brought his own youngest son who is a Marine and was about to leave for service in Iraq. The eRumor says that McCain has two other sons, one of whom was a Navy pilot and the other is a student at the U.S. Naval Academy. It closes with a supposed quote from Barack Obama in which he says, "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction." The Truth: According to the New York Times, this story about John McCain's sons and his visit with Erin Flanagan is true. The alleged quote from Barack Obama at the end of the email saying that he would "stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction" is Fiction! It is a corruption of a quote about immigrants from his book. CLICK HERE for more about the quote. The story about McCain, written by Jodi Kantor, was in the New York Times on April 6, 2008. She describes how McCain visited with Erin Flanagan and brought his son James with him. James enlisted in the Marines at the age of 17 and at the time of the Flanagan visit in July, 2007, had already served in Iraq and was scheduled to return with the rank of lance corporal. The article says that McCain has maintained a code of silence about his son "to protect him from becoming a prize target and avoid exploiting his service for political gain, according to friends." At the few campaign events where James McCain had attended, he was not introduced. Kantor said that the McCain campaign had declined an interview for her article and that the campaign had asked that it not be published. The information about McCain's other two sons is also true. One of them was a pilot in the Navy and the other was a student at the U.S. Naval Academy at the time the article was published. Original article: http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/m/mccain-son.htm Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctorj Posted July 4, 2008 Share Posted July 4, 2008 I have read the links but am not really clear on the two viewpoints. Can you explain to me succinctly the two views of patriotism? Quote Make sure you have finished speaking before your audience has finished listening. -- Dorothy Sarnoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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