Stan Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 Even though some of what Obama said, can be argued, it was one of the better speeches I have heard for a long while. I will be using some of his phrases in the future. I also read or heard, that he took the best of all the acceptance speeches over the past 40 years. He presented well. Am sure he used Teleprompters but did not see any when there were shots of the audience.. Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 I think because I am a news junkie I probably see and hear more than most people. I like Obama and McCain both so for me whoever wins it will be bitter-sweet. That said, I didn't hear anything in Obama's speech that he hadn't said before other than one attacks one's opponent when they don't have enough experience themselves to run on. That seemed odd coming from him since he is the candidate with the least amount of experience. He is a motivational speaker, no doubt. I have little doubt he would make a good President - but I think McCain would too. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Allan Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 I have little doubt he would make a good President - but I think McCain would too. They are about = as far as natural abilities go. Except that Barack has more charisma than John McCain. And Barack is more level-headed. And more in touch with the realities of the common American's life. Beyond personality and character what really separates them is the Rep. elite 'you're on your own' attitude contrasted with the Dem. 'we're all in this together.' IMHO /dAb Quote dAb O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 One thing that was missing from Obama's speech was anything about race or Martin Luther King Jr. Given the historic relevance of the date, that is kind of odd. I wonder why he didn't mention or make some kind of tribute to Dr. King. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 One thing that was missing from Obama's speech was anything about race or Martin Luther King Jr. Given the historic relevance of the date, that is kind of odd. I wonder why he didn't mention or make some kind of tribute to Dr. King. Very simple....He ain't running and he's dead....While he expoused some very important principles, it's time to carve out a path without him as a figure head. It's time for another byside King...It;s time for Obama... Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 Well he mentioned FDR and JFK. There are not running. They are dead. And the date has no significance tied to JFK or FDR. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallmark Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 You are very much deceived if you think Barak Hussein Obama would make a good president. He's had 142 days (that's right, days) experience in the senate, is in favor of gay unions and used the Sermon on the Mount to defend it, supports all abortion rights including abortion on demand, and 9th month abortions, he sat under an insane racist preacher for 20 years, and thinks we have 57 states. He also thinks that children as young as 5 should be taught sex ed. I wonder how those who support him can compromise your Christian values in such a way. Wake up brothers and sisters, this is serious business! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Allan Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 I will be using some of his phrases in the future. One of the best: McCain says he'll follow Bin Laden to the 'gates of hell' but he won't even go to the cave where he lives! /dAb Quote dAb O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Quote: You are very much deceived if you think Barak Hussein Obama would make a good president. He's had 142 days (that's right, days) experience in the senate, is in favor of gay unions and used the Sermon on the Mount to defend it, Ok, I am decieved. I work in a hospital and I see where two men, one dying with aids professing friendship and caring for one another....And then the family comes in and forces the other partner out. He's not allowed back because he's "gay". The dying man semi comatose by now, pleads with the nurse to bring back his friend/lover. But the family over rules it. their "christian values" don't allow for homosexuals in their lives. And their son is not homosexual. After all, they are an abomination to the Lord. And I know that a woman's body is her own. I trust her to do the right thing. But sometimes the right thing eludes us. And sometimes, the right thing will seem wrong in another's eyes. I know, I have been there. But that is THIER life. I have every right to verbally persuade them to change....but once they have made their decision, I need to back off. Is the government any less culpable to an individual in this area? I don't think so. Women, when faced with a choice of raising a child or aborting it, will choose abortion because they do not believe that circumstances surrounding them are conducive to raising a child. And society needs to provide those circumstances. So, Tallmark, you have failed to provide those circumstances for every woman who aborts her child. In all actuality, it's your responsibility to provide a safe environment. When she aborts, you didn't do enough to convince her that it was ok to carry the child. As for that 142 days in office, well, he's spent several years in the streets of chicago trying to do something for those people there. He's racked his brain, and applied to goverment programs to help those in the chicago area. He ran for office, but it wasn't enough. He's going for the predency, because he needs to reshape things for those people. And a lot of us feel that those things need to be reshaped in other parts of the country too. There are a lot of people who don't have health care. The numbers are up to about 20% of the population. That's a lot of people. And for every one of those who come thru the hospital, those costs are shifted to the working, and those who have health care. That is why those costs go up so much every year. and that is why employers are complaining about thier health care costs. and some are deciding to NOT provide health care....and the cycle continues... Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 McCain supports same-sex unions and Palin vetoed a bill that would have denied state benefits to same-sex couples. So unless we want to actively promote homosexuality, the McCain/Palin ticket is safe regarding civil rights for gays. Abortion is a subject in itself. I saw a recent poll that showed only 3% of women allow the abortion issue to determine how they will vote. Certainly as Seventh-day Adventist Christians we believe abortion is wrong when used for convenience, birth control or to choose the sex of a child. Certainly there is disagreement to whether banning it is the best way to deal with the issue but men of honor can agree to disagree on that. Barack's community work is certainly honorable and commendable. I do not doubt his desire to help people of lower economic classes. This is one of the many attractive things about Obama. Obama comes across as sincere. He has a lot to learn but I have no doubt he can. The issue I wrestle with is that I believe character trumps experience. I believe Obama has the character needed to be President. It is not going to be an easy choice. I think both would be good choices. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 One of the best: McCain says he'll follow Bin Laden to the 'gates of hell' but he won't even go to the cave where he lives! /dAb I am not sure where this cave is that McCain said he won't go to or when he said that. Obama has said he will invade Pakistan to find Osama. I am not sure that would be too bright but with Biden around that is unlikely to happen. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amelia Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 *gp* I feel the urge to fall asleep just looking at McCain, let alone listening to him speak! Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolaa Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 One thing that was missing from Obama's speech was anything about race or Martin Luther King Jr. Given the historic relevance of the date, that is kind of odd. I wonder why he didn't mention or make some kind of tribute to Dr. King. Here's his reference to MLK: And it is that promise that forty five years ago today, brought Americans from every corner of this land to stand together on a Mall in Washington, before Lincoln's Memorial, and hear a young preacher from Georgia speak of his dream. The men and women who gathered there could've heard many things. They could've heard words of anger and discord. They could've been told to succumb to the fear and frustration of so many dreams deferred. But what the people heard instead - people of every creed and color, from every walk of life - is that in America, our destiny is inextricably linked. That together, our dreams can be one. "We cannot walk alone," the preacher cried. "And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall always march ahead. We cannot turn back." America, we cannot turn back. Not with so much work to be done. Not with so many children to educate, and so many veterans to care for. Not with an economy to fix and cities to rebuild and farms to save. Not with so many families to protect and so many lives to mend. America, we cannot turn back. We cannot walk alone. At this moment, in this election, we must pledge once more to march into the future. Let us keep that promise - that American promise - and in the words of Scripture hold firmly, without wavering, to the hope that we confess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Thanks for posting that. I started to wonder how I missed it and now I remember I went to the kitchen during his speech to get a diet soda and that is when he must have said that. I feel much better that he made that tie. I thought McCain's ad he ran was very classy, congratulating Obama on his achievement. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallmark Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Obama supports partial birth abortions. In case you don't know, that's when the procedure is botched and the baby lives. The doctor then sticks a needle in the baby's head and sucks out it's brain in order to kill it. Pathetic. Also, it's not a woman's body, she is carrying life. There's always going to be abortions, I just don't think the govt should be paying for them. We really need to educate the poor. Poverty is a mindset more than a situation. I don't think McCain is perfect either. I guess you have to be a crook to get elected president these days. I just think that if we elect Obama, we're opening the door to the United States of Sodom. Any nation that has ever accepted homosexuality hasn't lasted 100 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted August 31, 2008 Moderators Share Posted August 31, 2008 That is not anywhere near an accurate description of the (very rare) partial-birth abortion, Tallmark. I'm not saying it's a good thing, it's not, but you need to do a little research and stop reading only radical anti-abortion materials. "sucks out its brain" indeed. Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted August 31, 2008 Moderators Share Posted August 31, 2008 Is this accurate?--- To see illustrations, go to source: http://www.nrlc.org/ABORTION/pba/diagram.html Also on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6vnOaq7nWU Partial Birth Abortion Guided by ultrasound, the abortionist grabs the baby's leg with forceps. The baby's leg is pulled out into the birth canal. The abortionist delivers the baby's entire body, except for the head. The abortionist jams scissors into the baby's skull. The scissors are then opened to enlarge the hole. The scissors are removed and a suction catheter is inserted. The child's brains are sucked out, causing the skull to collapse. The dead baby is then removed. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amelia Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 I love this pic of the end Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Obama has said he doesn't support partial birth abortion. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olger Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 `lo Shane. What was Obama's role in the death of that down's Syndrome baby? The one that the nurse held for 35-minutes +/-.. Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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