Virginity & Divorce

[cricket]

Or, it could be because 8th grade girls mature faster than 8th grade boys and "naturally" have longer toes because of their maturity. Also, it is a commonly known fact that girls are better readers than boys. Hence, the longer toes (i.e., the girls) have a better reading ability than the shorter toes (i.e., the boys).

[cricket]

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I don't read anything in CoAspen's post to indicate an attempt to derail the topic in the direction you suggest above.

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I second this. I don't believe anyone said anything that would have brought on your comment, "I don't think anyone is suggesting that premarital sex is acceptable for males and not for females."

This is a case in point of interjecting one's own presumptions into another's thoughts. Not fair.

[Dr. Shane]

This thread was pointing out how studies have shown that God is right. The study shows that we can indeed trust that God knows best.

Coaspen tried to derail the thread, and seems to have been successful, by pointing out that the Catholics who did the study only focused on females. BIG DEAL!!! The point that God knows best still holds true. Our God is an awesome God in Whom we can trust even when we may not understand His logic.

[Nicodema]

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This thread was pointing out how studies have shown that God is right. The study shows that we can indeed trust that God knows best.

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I believe God is right and I believe God knows best. But I don't believe this study shows anything of the sort. However, if you really believe it does, brother Shane, I have some oceanfront real estate in Kansas I'd like to sell you, and we have specials running all week on shares of the Brooklyn Bridge .....

[Dr. Shane]

If you cover your eyes you will not even see the plainest of truths. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/seenoevil.gif" alt="" />

[Dr. Shane]

God says not to have sex before marriage.

Studies show that those who wait until marriage are less likely to get divorced.

Wow!!! God was right.

Any questions?

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Sorry JimBob, Amelia was right to edit out this crudity elsewhere, and I'm going to do it here. Keep it clean please.

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I was trying to remember what I posted that got deleted...and it came to mind after I read this a few times..

Apology accepted..

Feel free to delete....at will!!

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Shane..

I wonder if some even read the article link and the suporting link article in the references..

there is more than what your thread title mentions..

BUT OF COURSE IT IS ALL PURE FANTASY AND NON SEQUITAR...TOTAL FABRICATION....UNREALISTIC OZZIE AND HARRIET FLUFF

Seems like some are not looking at the forest..they are scraping the bark on one tree and whining.

[Nicodema]

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If you cover your eyes you will not even see the plainest of truths.

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Has nothing to do with that unless you're referring to yourself. Like Gregory already mentioned: correlation is not cause. This "study" proves nothing, except how gullible some people can be when it comes to "studies" that pretend to "prove" whatever it is they wanted to believe in the first place.

[Dr. Shane]

Coaspen, you are welcome to start another thread about whether you think we focus on women too much. However this thread is about how studies have proven that God is right. So try not to go <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/129933-offtopic2.gif" alt="" />

Pop psyc has fed us full of so much garbage and Hollywood piles on even more. Then when we research the philosophies of the world we find that God was right.

Coalation and cause would be an interesting study but again there we would most likely find that again, God is right. What is it about those living sexually pure lives that makes their lives better? Does anyone think it has anything to do with them not living in obedience to God? It would be another study but would likely produce the same conclusion: God is right.

Bottom line is that we can trust God. When He tells us not to eat pork - we can trust Him. When He tells us not to lie - we can trust Him. When He tells us to love our neighbor - we can trust Him. When He tells us to rescue the weak - we can trust Him. When He tells us to keep the seventh-day Sabbath - we can trust Him. When He tells us to pay our tithe - we can trust Him. We can trust God.

[bevin]

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When He tells us not to eat pork ... When He tells us to pay our tithe

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Neither of these is a commandment, and God has NOT told us things things.

One of the deep problems of the SDA church is the confusion between what is a Biblical injunction and what is a reasonable idea coming out of the 1850's.

The SDA church equates pork-eating, non-tithe-paying, and sabbath-breaking. This is a non-scriptural and incorrect equivalence.

As I said above, I believe there are excellent reasons for reserving sexual intimacy for marriage. But these reasons do NOT have to be accepted 'by faith' - they are discoverable by study of the world outside the Bible. Using this is NOT a valid basis for reinforcing some incorrect SDA arguments about accepting things for which there is no evidence but poor Bible 'study'.

/Bevin

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As I said above, I believe there are excellent reasons for reserving sexual intimacy for marriage. But these reasons do NOT have to be accepted 'by faith' - they are discoverable by study of the world outside the Bible.

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Study??

You get some hormone crazy young teenagers who cringe at the word study..

Or this faith thing...

what if a secular school teacher said to some...

"abstain til after marriage...Teach has spoken"

Isn't there any faith in the teacher if some listen?

bevin...you are replying with what is termed ... a sophisticated secular approach..

It implies that there is no faith in some source other than the bible.

Also...it assumes that everyone has access to the "study" as you have...

There are many out there..that "study" TV, movies, sports and porn...

Are they going to come to the same conclusion as you have minus the bible??

How about "Desperate Housewives..

Even Parade has some tough words about the show that glamorizes infidelity and promiscuity.

Good for them..

Cesspool decadence

Marilyn vos Savant mentioned one time about history being the best guide for morals ...

Yeah great..she knows some history and can make that statement..

How about those who haven't "studied" history yet...

And for those who have...

most history classes don't even get into the social/ relational cause and effects of morals and the lack.

The bible is one compact dynamite counsel on morals and relationships.

[Dr. Shane]

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Neither of these is a commandment, and God has NOT told us things things.

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Speak for yourself. Just because it isn't in the Ten Commandments doesn't mean it isn't a command. Maybe God hasn't revealed something to you - but He has to others.

[fifiqueen]

Shane you mentioned that virgins tend to have come from religious backgrounds and that they had two parents. I think that what you have said misses a whole load of other factors.

When coming from a religious background the stigma around divorce is oppressive, there are many virgin brides who are still married but emotionally divorced. Just because they don't walk away doesn't mean that there relationships are succesful. I suppose it depends on how you measure success!!

When will one of your threads focus on the virtues or lack of them of men?

I believe that the stats are far two simple and have missed a number of factors.

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Study??

You get some hormone crazy young teenagers who cringe at the word study..

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Correct. One of the major jobs of parenthood is to decide what you want to teach your children, and then to teach it to them in a way that works throughout the stages of a child's growth.

Very early on, it is "don't do that because it will hurt you" and your job as a parent is to just prevent them from getting hurt.

Later on your job changes to replacing the hurts that are too bad to let the child suffer with minor ones that teach the same lesson, along with better explanations.

Later on you replace the hurts with punishments that are further separated in time from the event, along with detailed explanations.

Then you just provide advice and warnings

And lastly you just provide a sounding board when they want to talk to you

/Bevin

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there are many virgin brides who are still married but emotionally divorced.

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I think most everyone that has been married has at one time or another felt "emotionally" divorced. That is a natural part of being married. That is why it is so important for the church to focus on family issues. Many married people that feel "emotionally" divorced think something is wrong and don't realize that is a natural cycle in the marriage relationship.

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Shane you mentioned that virgins tend to have come from religious backgrounds and that they had two parents.

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Maybe I worded that wrong. I was guessing at cause and coalation. It was a guess. I do not know that to be true.

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When will one of your threads focus on the virtues or lack of them of men?

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I try to keep such threads in the men's forum where your husband blesses us with his comments once in a while. I love his imput, BTW.

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I suppose it depends on how you measure success!!

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That is a mouthful. If success is only considered a rose-garden marriage, I suspect few marriages are a success. If a successful marriage is considered two people living together, working out their differences and growing old together, I suspect the percentage increases dramatically.