Its about to become law in America now

[carolaa]

I really don't see something mandatory going very far. I think it would be far more palatable to have the incentives and make it voluntary. But isn't this just setting up a study commission at this point? I mean, it's not like this is becoming a law right now, is it?

[GreatLakesGramma]

Its about indoctrination.

Kids in public school are already being indoctrinated.

[Bravus]

Despite our best efforts as teachers, kids in all schools are being indoctrinated. So are kids at home. And kids watching TV. And so on.

Seems to me that being indoctrinated that serving your country and your community is a Good Thing is not the worst thing that could happen to a kid.

[Outta Here]

It's already MANDATORY to receive an education between the ages of 7 and 18. It's already MANDATORY to have certain coursework included in that education; MANDATORY to have civics courses; MANDATORY to meet other certain curriculum criteria.

I see no difference in this.

[olger]

Just a quick thought on this.

Ellen White said we must "cut ourselves off" from the sinful world - seems that the Evil One will stop at nothing to try and corrupt the minds of young people.

True. Aleister Crowley explained how to target the youth in his Book of the Law.

The rock & roll phenomenon of the 60's & 70's did just that. And they still are.

[Joe_in_RP]

The difference is this is Federal Goverment indoctrination and mandatory service. Just study history and you will see the danger. Talk to anybody who grew up in Europe and ask them if they see a problem.

Adventists are sleeping....

[SivartM]

I don't fully agree with incentive-based volunteering programs, mandatory or not. Shouldn't we want to help people for better reasons than to complete a requirement to receive a reward? There's a good story I read a long time ago that you might want to read:

http://dearobadiah2.wordpress.com/2007/05/09/national-service-an-illustrative-story/

While I would take part if this was mandatory, and might take part if it was optional and I would get tuition money, I don't really think it's a good idea.

[Joe_in_RP]

Interesting article. Very interesting.

[carolaa]

It's already MANDATORY to receive an education between the ages of 7 and 18. It's already MANDATORY to have certain coursework included in that education; MANDATORY to have civics courses; MANDATORY to meet other certain curriculum criteria.

I see no difference in this.

I don't either, as long as a person has some choices about how the requirement will be fulfilled, like they do with education.

[Kountzer]

I don't think the fed gove't has the manpower of legal muscle to force every young person into some sort of involuntary service. If that were true the aclu would be all over this. it would be headline news. First place I heard of this was here.

[carolaa]

My understanding is that the vote is just on whether the idea should go to committee for further review, at this point.

[jasd]

QR frame:

Will they be issued Brown Shirts or green? with acorns on their collar points? :-o

[carolaa]

I don't care as long as it's not a military draft.

[there buster]

Quote:

If that were true the aclu would be all over this.

You're kidding, right?

[Kountzer]

No I am not. If not the aclu there would be some sort of measurable uproar. CNN MSNBC Fox, some place more noticable than just here.

[Bravus]

Can you say 'fringe'?

[Outta Here]

How about the March 30, 2009 issue of TIME magazine. It's a cover story. You can find it on page 33. Or, you can look here: http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1886213,00.html

FOX you say? Here: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/...forced-service/

CNN is in partnership with TIME (it says so on TIME's website)

In old news, MSNBC: http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/07/02/1181135.aspx

Other sources:

http://www.americorps.org/about/newsroom/releases_detail.asp?tbl_pr_id=1265

http://www.nationalservice.gov/

http://www.bethechangeinc.org/changewire/2009/03/18/give-act-passed-serve-america-act-up-next/

[carolaa]

Yeah, I remember GHW's "thousand points of light" promo. It looks like this is just taking it a step further. When Obama refers to an "army," he is not necessarily talking about the military.

[carolaa]

No I am not. If not the aclu there would be some sort of measurable uproar. CNN MSNBC Fox, some place more noticable than just here.

I think you're right, Kountzer. I haven't seen anything about forced, involuntary service. And if there were, you are right - there would be organizations up in arms about it.

[Gail]

If it were me I would send kids on a mission trip to a 3rd world country.

Isn't Obama a Christian? Perhaps that is the angle he is coming from. Service to others is a great plan for kids! They do it in our academy...

Perhaps he is trying to use his power to accomplish something good here...

[Joe_in_RP]

Folks there are two programs. One voluntary and one mandatory. I did not understand why until now. The one we are talking about is mandatory. "Under section 6104 of the bill" this bill gives the government the authority. Its a sneaky way of bringing it in because they know the public hates a draft.

But don't worry. Everything is going to be fine. The government is just here to help us.

[bonnie]

If it were me I would send kids on a mission trip to a 3rd world country.

Isn't Obama a Christian? Perhaps that is the angle he is coming from. Service to others is a great plan for kids! They do it in our academy...

Perhaps he is trying to use his power to accomplish something good here...

Maybe he should have been willing to use his money as well. Over a million dollar income and a 10,000.00 charitable giving.

[bonnie]

HEY ALL

IT WILL be the extremists on both sides that will cause

the problems for GOD'S PEOPLE

dgrimm60

There has to be a different climate than a free capitalistic country. With the constitution firmly in place and abided by and protecting the right of it's citizens it can't happen.

This is not what Obama is doing or it does not sound like it.

[Bravus]

Sounds pretty different to what the Bush administration did too, actually.

[bonnie]

Sounds pretty different to what the Bush administration did too, actually.

Amazing logic. What does Bush have to do with the actions and the ideology of Obama?

They have the first stimulus in common. Which was the start it seems to paving the way for Obama to herd us into socialism. Bush is not forcing him down the path he is taking.

Obama lied,plain and simple. Have others lied before him,of course. Does that mean the lies by Obama are whitewashed and made less a lie.

Scarier still is throwing the power of the presidency on national television against a group of people that had not broken any law. Maybe the law wasn't liked but Tough cookies,our honest president knew and approved long before he pretended the shock and dismay.

You see nothing wrong with that you have a lot of company.

Many people reserve the right to drop ethics when it suits them or hatred takes over.

Socialism is not what this country was founded on. Perhaps if Obama can marshal the forces it will become so. I think many would actually welcomes a system where our government "make things fair" by taking from one giving to another

That still sounds like a recipe for the time of trouble to take place. It cannot take place in a free capitalistic society. Now or ten years from now doesn't matter,A free country is a threat to what Obama would like to create in this country