Its about to become law in America now

[bonnie]

Take a look at the unions. Unions have lost a lot of power in recent years. Now take a little time to read and understand what they are doing. Look what is happening with Fed Ex.

Very costly for them but I hope they can hold firm

[phkrause]

Personally I have no problem with a mandatory draft to serve your country. I think all should serve there country. I believe most countries do this. So lets say that someone prefers to not serve in the military they could serve in the peace corp or something to that effect!

pk

[carolaa]

Sounds pretty different to what the Bush administration did too, actually.

I assume you're referring to the several occasions that Bush thumbed his nose at the Constitution.

[Kountzer]

America's prophetic course is basically already mapped out. It is not a matter of if this country will fully turn from being lamb like into a dragon, but rather when. I think it is a waste of time trying to pin that tail to the obama administration. That whole transition was already in motion way before January 2009.

[phkrause]

Couple of thousand years ago I would say!

pk

[carolaa]

Isn't that about the time the Vatican was declared to be its own country?

[Joe_in_RP]

Just passed the Senate now. Its about a week away from mandatory service.

http://senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_c...&vote=00108

Things are moving fast.

Last week, we reported on the House passage of the Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act, known as the GIVE Act, which was carried with a 321-105 margin vote.

A passage contained in section 6104 of the original House version entitled “Duties,” in subsection B6, states that a commission will be set up to investigate, “Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed.” This language has been dropped from the version passed by the Senate.

However, Section 120 of the bill discusses the “Youth Engagement Zone Program” and states that “service learning” will be “a mandatory part of the curriculum in all of the secondary schools served by the local educational agency.” This part remains in the version passed by the Senate.

Roles which will be staffed by members of the programs, labeled “Required National Service Corps,” include “criminal justice,” “environmental stewardship,” and “public safety”.

Aside from the programs aimed at college students and young people, others will be specifically targeted towards, “Retired and other former law enforcement, fire, rescue, and emergency personnel, and other individuals with backgrounds in disaster preparedness, relief, and recovery.”

The bill was rubber stamped by the Senate last night in a 74 to 14 motion, in what is described as a “procedural vote,” a move that creates “An army dispersed to help with education, health services and the environment, (which) would vastly enlarge the notion of “community organizing,” and allow, as Senator Barbara Mikulski, Democrat of Maryland, said tonight, for about 7 million people to be engaged in such work,” reports the New York Times.

....

References to the program as the creation of a civilian “army” have dominated mainstream news coverage of the legislation.

7 million members of this civilian “army” equates to about one member for every 50 Americans, a similar figure to the number of East Germans who collaborated with the Stasi and informed on their own citizens during the cold war.

The GIVE Act is just one of many pieces of legislation that vastly expand service organizations in line with Obama’s agenda to create a “national civilian security force”.

In January we also reported on the introduction by the Department of Defense of a “civilian expeditionary workforce” that will see American civilians trained and equipped to deploy overseas in support of worldwide military missions.

The DoD report states, “Management retains the authority to direct and assign civilian employees, either voluntarily, involuntarily, or on an unexpected basis to accomplish the DoD mission.”

Though the civilian expeditionary workforce program is restricted to DoD employees, similar programs have already been established for public sector workers.

One such program has seen hundreds of police, firefighters, paramedics and utility workers recently trained and dispatched as “Terrorism Liaison Officers” in Colorado, Arizona and California to watch for “suspicious activity” which is later fed into a secret government database.

Similar initiatives have been introduced in other western countries, including recently in the UK with the announcement that MI5 is currently training up to 60,000 UK citizens as part a civilian network of terrorist spotters, according to Prime Minister Gordon Brown and home secretary, Jacqui Smith.

In addition, Obama’s Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel, publicly stated his intention to help create “universal civil defense training” in 2006.

In an interview with Ben Smith of the New York Daily News, Emanuel outlined the agenda for military-style training, essentially a domestic draft, aimed at preparing Americans for a chemical or biological terrorist attack.

Asked by Smith about the universal service plan and whether people would have to live in military barracks, Emanuel laughed before responding, “We’re going to have universal civil defense training, somewhere between the ages of 18 to 25 you will do three months of training….but there can be nothing wrong with all Americans having a joint similar experience of what we call civil defense training or civil service in service of the country, in preparation, which will give people a sense of what it means to be an American.”

“It will be a common experience and we will be prepared, God forbid, God forbid that there is a chemical hit, another terrorist act or natural disaster becoming more frequent - there’ll be a body of citizens who are ready and capable and trained - that’s all you have to think about,” said Emanuel before smugly declaring, “We’re all here for you OK? It’s a circle of love.”

Asked if the training would be military style, with people wearing uniforms, Emanuel stated, “If you’re worried about are you going to have to do 50 jumping jacks the answer is yes,” adding that the service could be done through state national guard.

Shockingly, the GIVE legislation also contains language that could completely demolish the 1st amendment.

The 12th amendment to the act states, “Amendment to prohibit organizations from attempting to influence legislation; organize or engage in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes; and assist, promote, or deter union organizing.”

As Gary Wood writes, “Those in support of this legislation will argue this amendment is limited in scope and is not meant to interfere with the rights of citizens to protest, petition, boycott, or strike in resistance to government proposed laws. However, the people associated through service under the GIVE Act are considered volunteers, still free citizens, yet it will be unlawful for them to take part in any protests against any legislation. This is as close to a sedition act, a violation of 1st Amendment rights, as has been proposed in recent history. A basic right as a part of our natural, inalienable rights, is to resist government. Our founders not only knew it was a right but it was a responsibility. This legislation begins to break that down significantly.”

Fears about Obama’s plans to create involuntary servitude and domestic spy squads were first stoked in July 2008, when Obama told a rally in Colorado Springs, “We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that is just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded.”

Despite denials that Obama plans to institute a mandatory program of national service, his original change.gov website stated that Americans would be “required” to complete “50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year”. The text was only later changed to state that Americans would be “encouraged” to undertake such programs.

Numerous other national service bills have been introduced which target everyone from schoolchildren to the elderly. They include the Service For All Ages Initiative, the Summer of Service Act, the Semester of Service Act, the Encore Service Act and the ACTION Act.

Regarding the GIVE Act, “The bill’s opponents — and there are only a few in Congress — say it could cram ideology down the throats of young “volunteers,” many of whom could be forced into service since the bill creates a “Congressional Commission on Civic Service,” reports Fox.

“We contribute our time and money under no government coercion on a scale the rest of the world doesn’t emulate and probably can’t imagine,” said Luke Sheahan, contributing editor for the Family Security Foundation. “The idea that government should order its people to perform acts of charity is contrary to the idea of charity and it removes the responsibility for charity from the people to the government, destroying private initiative.”

Lee Cary of the conservative American Thinker warns that Obama’s agenda is to, “tap into the already active volunteerism of millions of Americans and recruit them to become cogs in a gigantic government machine grinding out his social re-engineering agenda.”

The passage of such shocking legislation with barely a whimper from political activist groups goes to show how well the corporate media has performed in camouflaging the legislation with flowery characterizations of helpful volunteerism, when in reality the bill creates the pretext for mandatory national service and the creation of a multi-million man domestic civil defense unit who will be tasked with spying on their fellow Americans under the justification of protecting the country from terrorism.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/senate-rubber-stamps-national-enslavement-bill.html

[Key Guy]

Quote:

Aside from the programs aimed at college students and young people, others will be specifically targeted towards, “Retired and other former law enforcement, fire, rescue, and emergency personnel, and other individuals with backgrounds in disaster preparedness, relief, and recovery.”

Years ago, when I was elected to hold an office in law enforcement, I vowed to uphold the Constitution. I must now be prepared to do jail time should I wish to keep that vow.

[Joe_in_RP]

I am told "The enlistment oath states that one shall support and defend the United States and the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic,"

I wonder what a domestic enemy could be?

[Kountzer]

That oath has been around for awhile. I am not as up on political science as I should be, but still that oath has been in use for awhile.

[Key Guy]

"I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

'Support and defend the Constitution against all enemies' trumps the rest of the oath (obey the President of the United States), in my opinion. It assumes that the President is in harmony with the Constitution.

That used to be true.

[Joe_in_RP]

Thanks Doug. Your my friend.

[missionlady]

Community Service can be a very good thing. All of my children have been involved in such projects.

The concern for me is the FORCED community service. Volunteering for a good project is good. But it's not volunteering anymore when it is required. Also it takes away my choice of which projects to "volunteer" for.

It's the same with helping the poor. We gladly give to help the poor. But I don't want my government forcing me to do it. I want to give to the Adventist Community Services and to ADRA and other projects that I consider worthy.

I don't want the government taking my money and time and physical labor and committing it to the projects that they consider worthy (I don't want to "volunteer" at an abortion clinic or give money to someone so that they can continue to buy illegal drugs.)

When have you known the government to be the best at using money wisely?

How many people have you heard of that have fallen on unexpected hard times, but they cannot get government assistance? But then we hear of all the "unworthy" that have more than I have (big screen TVs,etc.)-compliments of welfare.

[Neil D]

Community Service can be a very good thing. All of my children have been involved in such projects.

The concern for me is the FORCED community service. Volunteering for a good project is good. But it's not volunteering anymore when it is required. Also it takes away my choice of which projects to "volunteer" for.

[carolaa]

We hear all kinds of rumors about welfare people, but how many have really seen it first hand? But we like to repeat the stories.

[Outta Here]

When people need our help, does it even matter if we are volunteering or "forced into service"? Isn't the real issue getting the people the help?

Secondly, does it even matter if those people really need our help at all? If we're doing what the Lord calls us to do, isn't that good enough?

[missionlady]

I believe in taxes that support government employees and infrustructure. It is not the government's job to take money from me to give to the poor. So yes, they are taking my money and giving it to others.

Before you pass judgment on Alaskans, maybe you should learn some facts.

We received money (dividends) from oil companies that use OUR land. The extra we got last year was from budget surplus. And it went to all of us, not just a few the government decided to give it to, not just the poor or rich, everyone.

I can tell you interesting stories of trying to get government assistance when we really needed it. Such as: a welfare worker insisting that I show her the check stub from a month that I told her I didn't get a check. My baby was 5 weeks early and I had to quite work. But she insisted that I get that check stub for her. It took about 10 minutes or more to convince her that when one didn't get a check, then one didn't get a stub! So if that's the way these people operate, you can imagine how efficient they are in other areas. I had to fight to get assistance to feed our family. I had to turn away work because those few extra dollars I would earn would cut me off from receiving ANY assistance. That is not using OUR money wisely.

We have again "fallen on hard times", but because our income is too high, we are not elgible for any assistance. I have had to go without food and without medicine, meanwhile, I have to pay taxes so that people I know can have much more than I have.