Moderators Bravus Posted April 9, 2009 Moderators Share Posted April 9, 2009 My friend colin in california has lost his car keys. What is Obama going to do about it? Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 My friend colin in california has lost his car keys. What is Obama going to do about it? See what he does about the pirates before he tackles something that difficult. But just keep in mind the buck stops with the president for any decisions. Even Laz seems to be of that mind Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted April 9, 2009 Moderators Share Posted April 9, 2009 Even Laz seems to be of that mind Even. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 The US has a long tradition of not negoiatating with terrorists. This event will be the first challenge to Obama ... to see if he can hold onto the long tradition of the US or if he will cave in. I think this is far more important to Amercian policy ... than someone's keys. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Originally Posted By: bonnie Even Laz seems to be of that mind Even. What is there you don't understand about the word "even" Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 My friend colin in california has lost his car keys. What is Obama going to do about it? Ya gotta b careful there Bravus. Some here would classify your post as 'toxic' . Ha Ha. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted April 9, 2009 Author Moderators Share Posted April 9, 2009 Very, very gentle satire indeed... Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Cool Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted April 10, 2009 Moderators Share Posted April 10, 2009 Originally Posted By: lazarus Even. What is there you don't understand about the word "even" I know what the dictionary says but I'm not sure what you mean. I dread to think what judgments you have made about me. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Originally Posted By: bonnie What is there you don't understand about the word "even" I know what the dictionary says but I'm not sure what you mean. I dread to think what judgments you have made about me. Had I meant anything derogatory you would not have had to ask. Nor would I go in the back door to imply or insinuate that you were passing judgments about me. You and I do not agree on much if any on political viewpoints. You have indicated or at least seemed to me that you favor a socialist government to live under. In past posts I have many times been in disagreement with your theology. One thing that possibly we agree on is the buck stops with the presidency. I believe that whether is a republican or democrat president that is where the buck stops if they have the ability within the law to stop an act. If they were not aware and should have still stops at the presidents door. I am not entirely sure that is what you believe but it is the one area we might find common ground. I have seen no concern at some acts that should have definitely created questions if not condemnation of those acts,but am going with the benefit of the doubt. "Even" means that one I oppose and one that opposes me at every turn have expressed the same thoughts. "The buck stops with the presidency" Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasd Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 >>My friend colin in california has lost his car keys. What is Obama going to do about it?<< Umm, colin in the diminutive? Wha’s wid dat? I claim infringement... So, does your friend make more or less than $200,000 a year? White or of colour? Hyphenated or non-hyphenated American? Union or non-union? Employed or unemployed? Affiliated with conservative organizations or with the current crop of screamers and miscreants? Etc. Well, before having in hand the particulars, I’ll only hazard that if your friend is ‘monetarily handicapped’ (or otherwise) and of the politically correct persuasion – some working schlub who’s bustin’ his fundament trying to make the American dream work for him and his’n – is going to be made to pay for your friend colin’s lost keys. Social Democracy/Progressive at its finest. Just bein’ warm and fuzzy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasd Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 >>I dread to think what judgments you have made about me.<< Umm..., _____________________ uh, uh, uh, uhrticulate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted April 10, 2009 Moderators Share Posted April 10, 2009 In past posts I have many times been in disagreement with your theology. Theology? I believe in the 28 (may be 29 soon). Are you an SDA? I thought you were. No big deal if you're not. I don't remember us disagreeing a lot in that area but some issues make more of an impression on the mind than others. Quote: One thing that possibly we agree on is the buck stops with the presidency. There were some issue where Bush was frankly asleep at the wheel but now folks want immediate responses when for the last 8 years there were no responses at all or simply the wrong response. Ultimately the buck stops with the presidency, I think most Americans agree with that but people don't need to get crazy just hours after a hostage situation has started and use it as a pretext to attack the leadership of the president. That's just plain silly. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted April 10, 2009 Members Share Posted April 10, 2009 good post Lazarus. All you have said makes good sense. pk Quote phkrause Obstinacy is a barrier to all improvement. - ChL 60 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Quote: Theology? I believe in the 28 (may be 29 soon). Are you an SDA? I thought you were. No big deal if you're not. I don't remember us disagreeing a lot in that area but some issues make more of an impression on the mind than others. Yes I am SDA. Most is really unimportant.We don't view things the same. The world will not end as a result I do not think that you view bible prophecy as I do. That is the most current difference of opinion. You believe or seem to that socialism is a good thing. I see socialism as a very definate step up the ladder to losing the freedoms we all know we will lose in time Quote: There were some issue where Bush was frankly asleep at the wheel but now folks want immediate responses when for the last 8 years there were no responses at all or simply the wrong response. What Bush did or didn't do has nothing to do with Obama or the pirates . The response that does cause concern to this and the lack of response by Obama is Hilary Clinton clearly saying they were waiting for the international community. This is not right wing,this was what she said. The international community has done absolutely nothing about the 260 men already being held captive. Why would a response be dependent on them. That would not give me the warm fuzzies as to how my country would react if this were my husband or one of my sons. In fact it would scare me to death Quote: Ultimately the buck stops with the presidency, I think most Americans agree with that but people don't need to get crazy just hours after a hostage situation has started and use it as a pretext to attack the leadership of the president. That's just plain silly. I think so and thought that is what you had said. Until you threw in the possible excuse for Obama,"as in maybe he didn't know about the bonuses. No excuse for not knowing and we now know he did He is the president and the buck stops with the president,Especially a president that says I will go line by line and that knew what was in this stimulus bill allowing for the bonuese. It appears that you do not have a problem with a president that will target private citizens. Funny how retention bonuses to Fannie mae and Freddie Mac of 210 million causes only a big yawn concerning the hefty reward for running Fannie Mae and Freddie mac to it's knees Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 I believe the US had/has a very unique place in bible prophecy and in the world. This country was founded on principals as no other country had been. Thru all the blunders,mistaks,deliberate wrong acts etc we kept moving ahead. I believe God has had his hand over the US. Not because we are better or more important than others.But his plans in providing a haven from persecution and his work going forward was important. The US has persevered where there was really no reason they should have. It should never have succeeded . The revolutionary war was won by a ragtag bunch of farmers. The incredible bravery and resilience,the determination of these men is astounding,but still they should have lost. I know some have a different outlook on WW11 but that is another we should have lost. Losing so much at Pearl Harbor and being so unprepared,war on two fronts would sink us today I am afraid. Kruschev said something to the effect........ America will be defeated from within without a shot being fired. I believe he was right. America as we have known it will cease to exist. It will not be an overnight process. Is Obama the one to usher in the time of the end?? Don't know,but see many on the left that do pursume to know. I believe socialism is the first step,and I believe we will have it soon. What is foretold to come cannot happen unless government controls most every aspect of your life. All for our own good of course. Once in place and just as easy as Obama used the office of the presidency to target american citizens that had not broken the law,it will be used against us Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Key Guy Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Quote: Ultimately the buck stops with the presidency, I think most Americans agree with that but people don't need to get crazy just hours after a hostage situation has started and use it as a pretext to attack the leadership of the president. That's just plain silly. So we should give Obama a pass on a situation that requires an immediate response because Bush took his blessed time to solve other problems? The president wanted the stimulus bill passed immediately because it was such a dire emergency (he acted like it was a life threat, no time to read the darn thing). A pirate situation with real, unarmed American lives on the line.. that's not so bad. We can take our time on that, to get other countries to determine if American lives are worth the trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Quote: So we should give Obama a pass on a situation that requires an immediate response because Bush took his blessed time to solve other problems? Kind of looks that way doesn't it? Quote: The president wanted the stimulus bill passed immediately because it was such a dire emergency (he acted like it was a life threat, no time to read the darn thing). Nancy Pelosi told the republicans they were lucky to have had the few hours they did. Wonder if that is a code word for bi-partisanship. Quote: A pirate situation with real, unarmed American lives on the line.. that's not so bad. We can take our time on that, to get other countries to determine if American lives are worth the trouble. Would be really surprising to see any value placed on this captain when the international community has ignored 260 crewmen from other ships Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 My friend colin in california has lost his car keys. What is Obama going to do about it? It appears that Obama failed. From the "news" I have heard that the Captain tried to escape today. But, no success. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Quote: Ultimately the buck stops with the presidency, I think most Americans agree with that but people don't need to get crazy just hours after a hostage situation has started and use it as a pretext to attack the leadership of the president. That's just plain silly. So we should give Obama a pass on a situation that requires an immediate response because Bush took his blessed time to solve other problems? The president wanted the stimulus bill passed immediately because it was such a dire emergency (he acted like it was a life threat, no time to read the darn thing). A pirate situation with real, unarmed American lives on the line.. that's not so bad. We can take our time on that, to get other countries to determine if American lives are worth the trouble. Good One KeyGuy. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted April 10, 2009 Moderators Share Posted April 10, 2009 I do not think that you view bible prophecy as I do. That's ok, you may have an unothordox view of bible prophecy as far as SDA's are concerned. There is a wide spectrum of thought in Adventism. There is not much light between my views and traditional SDA views on prophecy. Quote: You believe or seem to that socialism is a good thing. Like capitalism it has its positives and negatives. Capitalism with socialism mixed in or is it socialism with a healthy dose of capitalism, either is good. Quote: This is not right wing,this was what she said. Your interpretation is right wing. Give Obama the same latitude that you gave Bush. When the Chinese held a US plane and crew there were negotiations, the crew came back alive. The plane came back in pieces. This stuff takes time especially when lives are at stake. The FBI are negotiating, let them do their job. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted April 10, 2009 Moderators Share Posted April 10, 2009 What is foretold to come cannot happen unless government controls most every aspect of your life. All for our own good of course. Once in place and just as easy as Obama used the office of the presidency to target american citizens that had not broken the law,it will be used against us Typically, Democrat SDA's have believed a Republican will bring in Sunday law and Republicans will believe it will be a Democrat. Don't forget the Pharisees and Sadducees united to kill Jesus. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted April 10, 2009 Moderators Share Posted April 10, 2009 So we should give Obama a pass on a situation that requires an immediate response because Bush took his blessed time to solve other problems? No. It's about being intellectually honest. Some judge Bush by his motives and Obama by his actions. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Quote: Like capitalism it has its positives and negatives. Capitalism with socialism mixed in or is it socialism with a healthy dose of capitalism, either is good. Any positive will rather quickly be reduced to negatives Quote: Your interpretation is right wing. Give Obama the same latitude that you gave Bush. When the Chinese held a US plane and crew there were negotiations, the crew came back alive. The plane came back in pieces. This stuff takes time especially when lives are at stake. The FBI are negotiating, let them do their job. The chinese were not already holding 260 hostages kidnapped and held for months. Besides you have no idea what latitude I gave Bush or when. My interpretation is exactly what Hilary Clinton said ,nothing more,nothing less. We are waiting to hear from the international community. The international community has done nothing for months for the 260 hostages already held for months. Why would one american captain make any more of an impact on them? Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Quote: Typically, Democrat SDA's have believed a Republican will bring in Sunday law and Republicans will believe it will be a Democrat. Don't forget the Pharisees and Sadducees united to kill Jesus. We have a socialist at the helm,not a democrat or republican. I really don't care which party it is. I don't care which party is making unprecedented power grabs,acting outside the scope of the presidency targeting men that have not broken any law. Nor do I think it matters much who is in the presidency once the ground work has been successfully laid. One president and only one has been successfully doing just that. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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