Planey Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 If it is a test ... I would like to know what the did to pass. Quote Graeme____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 If it is a test ... I would like to know what the did to pass. I'd say that the US Government under the guidance of Obama, this time came through with flying colors. Even if you don't care for Democrats or Obama...they do deserve credit for bravery, patience (which is harder at times than action), and later decisive action. Ultimately, however, God is incharge and he allowed this captain to be freed and for that I am grateful! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Originally Posted By: aldona Hang on - weren't you the one who was using this whole situation as a test for the president? You can't have it both ways. It's like the folks who blame God when things go wrong' date=' but if something good happens, there's some other explanation or it was just good luck. aldona [/quote'] I would think everyone is grateful for the official go-ahead by Obama. The FBI whatever their role. The test here was of a very brave man and some navy seals. While true that Obama I am sure gave the nod the courage award goes to others. That is not slighting Obama,he did what I am sure everyone hoped he would when he gave the nod. It is hardly like blaming God. If this is the ultimate test to show Obama's leadership we are in big trouble. Regardless of who gets all the credit Obama is still Obama the first socialist president of the USA. Obama is still the man that lied and then put private citizens at risk. He is still the man that lied about a very trivial matter in bowing to the Saudia King. He is more importantly still the man that was mentored and influenced from very young child by a steady stream of socialist,marxist,and communist influence. Claiming these as the ones that shaped the man he is today. Everyone should be happy and grateful the captain is safe. Now we will see what "american rights" are given to the remaining pirate. Does he in fact get free legal counsel?? Lots of people say that Bush lied many many times and they have "specific" lies he "told". I just think we need to give Obama a chance. No president is perfect and yes Obama may end up being the catalyst for certain end-time events as could any president but I don't like the cynicism that surrounds him or that surrounded Bush for that matter. I think we need to applaud what they do right and not be quite so quick to jump on them all the time. If any one of us were running for president or had been president I doubt any of us could come out completely lilly white in the media. Everyone has made mistakes, eveyone has mis-spoken, everyone has things in their past they might not be proud of, or later wish they weren't proud of, everyone has things to learn. I just pray that God will lead and direct our government as he so chooses, regardless of who is in power. Just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Quote: Lots of people say that Bush lied many many times and they have "specific" lies he "told". I just think we need to give Obama a chance. No president is perfect and yes Obama may end up being the catalyst for certain end-time events as could any president but I don't like the cynicism that surrounds him or that surrounded Bush for that matter. I think we need to applaud what they do right and not be quite so quick to jump on them all the time. No one said anything about being perfect. He really needed to be more upfront about severe socialist leanings. I have no problem supporting him when he is right. I think he did the right thing concerning the captain. Other than that I don't believe he has done anything else right. Quote: If any one of us were running for president or had been president I doubt any of us could come out completely lilly white in the media. Everyone has made mistakes, eveyone has mis-spoken, everyone has things in their past they might not be proud of, or later wish they weren't proud of, everyone has things to learn. I just pray that God will lead and direct our government as he so chooses, regardless of who is in power. Everyone does make mistakes. A comment like that only applies if Obama has a change in his ideology. That is unlikely to happen. Had he run as a socialist I am not so sure he would have lost.At least it would have been the honest way to go. Many are ready to hand over responsibility for their personal lives As for things in everyone's past they are not proud of,read Obama's books. He is quite proud of his socialist ideology. Just my opinion. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Obama could have messed this thing up by trying to negotiate with the pirates, trying to give them safe passage or some kind of ransom. President Obama did the right thing. I would have liked to see a brief (not specific) comment from him during the crisis but that is a minor thing. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Obama could have messed this thing up by trying to negotiate with the pirates, trying to give them safe passage or some kind of ransom. President Obama did the right thing. I would have liked to see a brief (not specific) comment from him during the crisis but that is a minor thing. Never implied he didn't do the right thing. I am not taking anything away from Obama that was rightly his. The courage and bravery go to the captain and the navy seals. They are the ones with their lives on the line. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted April 13, 2009 Moderators Share Posted April 13, 2009 . I am not taking anything away from Obama that was rightly his. Quote: Regardless of who gets all the credit Obama is still Obama the first socialist president of the USA. Obama is still the man that lied and then put private citizens at risk. He is still the man that lied about a very trivial matter in bowing to the Saudia King. He is more importantly still the man that was mentored and influenced from very young child by a steady stream of socialist,marxist,and communist influence. Claiming these as the ones that shaped the man he is today. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kountzer Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 obama can't win in certain sections of this relatively insignificant msg board. I say that because people here railed against obama in the dem. primaries, and he won. They were even more strongly opposed to him during the general election, and he won. Now, every move he makes is criticized, and he keeps coming up on top. I've notice a pattern. The more certain people rail against him here, the better the outcome for obama. All that aside, I still say God sets up who he wants to be in office. He must of wanted Obama to be the president, because he is the president. DB Quote I prayed for twenty years but received no answer until I prayed with my legs. Frederick Douglass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olger Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Some people, Kountz. Others were and are infatuated with him. regards, og Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kountzer Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 I am not one of those that's infatuated with him. At least I don't think I am. He's making a lot of rookie mistakes, but over all he's doing the best he can in a difficult situation. Obama wouldn't of made it this far if this country wasn't already in a bad situation. And to be fair I felt the same about W when he was in office. In the circles I travel in he was talked about like a dog. I didn't think he was that bad. Quote I prayed for twenty years but received no answer until I prayed with my legs. Frederick Douglass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted April 13, 2009 Moderators Share Posted April 13, 2009 Some people, Kountz. Others were and are infatuated with him. regards, og I think a more accurate words would be like, appreciate, respect and some can't handle that because the despise him. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted April 13, 2009 Moderators Share Posted April 13, 2009 Now, every move he makes is criticized, and he keeps coming up on top. I've notice a pattern. The more certain people rail against him here, the better the outcome for obama. The grapes these folk are munching on are so very sour. Quote: All that aside, I still say God sets up who he wants to be in office. He must of wanted Obama to be the president, because he is the president. DB Sorry mate, didn't you know that God only wants Republicans in the White House. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 obama can't win in certain sections of this relatively insignificant msg board. I say that because people here railed against obama in the dem. primaries, and he won. They were even more strongly opposed to him during the general election, and he won. Now, every move he makes is criticized, and he keeps coming up on top. I've notice a pattern. The more certain people rail against him here, the better the outcome for obama. All that aside, I still say God sets up who he wants to be in office. He must of wanted Obama to be the president, because he is the president. DB Maybe you should step back and ponder why. Most that do oppose him do so because of his ideology. Socialism is not what this country was founded on. It turns the constitution upside down. Many now believe they want socialism to see to many of their needs. His supporters will support that no matter what. Those that wish this country be based on the constitution will continue to oppose him. All that aside, I still say God sets up who he wants to be in office. He must of wanted Obama to be the president, because he is the president. I believe God has his hand over the US and always has. As time goes on and we get closer to end time events,I believe he still will. I don't think that supporting those that are determined to control and take our freedoms, the reins and follow them with praise for their acts. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted April 13, 2009 Author Share Posted April 13, 2009 Quote: Sorry mate, didn't you know that God only wants Republicans in the White House. Yes. That was true. But, now He has decided to let the people have their own way. And the country is going to pot. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 I don't think God cares about political parties any more than he cares about the color of someone's skin or their gender. God sets up "kings and queens", i.e. leaders as he sees fit. Even if that leader eventually brings about something contrary to God's will, God isn't surprised by it and he knew about it before that person ever became that leader. I don't believe any party affiliation is "right or wrong", both have some ideas that are good, and some that aren't perfect, because we live in a world of sin and people are all too human. (For instance, we all know about some of the atrocious things people did in the name of Christianity in the past. However, God still used catholic priests and other leaders as He saw fit and they also changed the course of History. I think God is about individuals not parties.) Just my 2 cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
there buster Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Quote: I don't think God cares about political parties any more than he cares about the color of someone's skin or their gender. I agree. What God does care about, perhaps more than anything else, is freedom, liberty. Quote “the slovenliness of our language makes it easier to have foolish thoughts.” George Orwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 This is not over yet. The news claimed this pirate is a teenager? How will that affect the opinions of liberals? But before we try him where do we keep him? If the news is correct Gitmo is being considered. How can that be? Now the remaining pirates have sworn to not ask for ransom but to kill americans and french. Do the americans have what it takes to route the pirate stronghold on land? Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olger Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Hey that's right Bonnie. Let the bleeding hearts commence. Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted April 13, 2009 Author Share Posted April 13, 2009 Yes. I am sure that the pirate will have many bleeding hearts in the US to support him. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olger Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 You betcha, Red. Constitutional rights even.. og Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 I think everyone has the right to be considered innocent until proven guilty. However, in this case, I would say he appears to be a thousand percent guilty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planey Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 A very large number of terrorist suicide bombers are teenage (or younger). I haven't observed that the "bleeding hearts" as you call them have used this fact to try and generate any sympathy. Why should it make a difference now? If an American captain has somebody pointing an AK-47 at his back and is prepared to use it, that person's age is basically irrelevant, n'est-ce pas? Graeme Quote Graeme____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolaa Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Here are a couple articles that help to explain part of the reasons why the pirates are doing what they are doing. You probably haven't seen this in any U.S. corporate media. http://www.imcsnet.org/imcs/docs/somalias_twin_sea_piracies_the_global_aramada.pdf http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2008/10/2008109174223218644.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Quote: Here are a couple articles that help to explain part of the reasons why the pirates are doing what they are doing. Does anyone buy this? Reason #1 for pirating: People are poaching fish off our shores. Reason #2 for pirating: Companies are polluting our shores So they send teenage boys to hijack civilian cargo ships which are neither fishing illegally or polluting the water. And they have been paid ransom money by some corporations. Some of that money has been funneled into terrorist organizations. Has some of it went into ecological programs to clean up the polluted shores or replenish the depleted sea? I think one would have to be rather gullible to accept either of those excuses as a justifiable reason for pirating. Why don't they target the fishing vessels or the corporations actually polluting? Of course we know why. The real reason they are pirating has nothing to do with fishing or polluting. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted April 15, 2009 Author Share Posted April 15, 2009 Quote: n'est-ce pas I hope this is not a curse word aimed at me. When you comment in foreign languages ... I just never know. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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