Woody Posted June 23, 2009 Posted June 23, 2009 Today Obama admitted that he has been unable to totally gain the victory over smoking. He indicated that once you start smokin' it is hard to give up. Perhaps the church should suggest to him that he join one of our stop smoking classes. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
carolaa Posted June 23, 2009 Posted June 23, 2009 I've heard nicotine is harder to quit than cocaine. Quote
carolaa Posted June 23, 2009 Posted June 23, 2009 Why doesn't the FDA take cigarettes off the market? Quote
bonnie Posted June 23, 2009 Posted June 23, 2009 Why doesn't the FDA take cigarettes off the market? The taxes are a great source of revenue. Why should they take off the market what the government is subsidizing? Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Members phkrause Posted June 23, 2009 Members Posted June 23, 2009 My dad when he decided to quit he just quit. Having never had to quit smoking I have to go with what your saying, but what I've noticed is that those that really want to quit, can quit to no problem. pk Quote phkrause Read Isaiah 10:1-13
carolaa Posted June 23, 2009 Posted June 23, 2009 Originally Posted By: carolaa Why doesn't the FDA take cigarettes off the market? The taxes are a great source of revenue. Why should they take off the market what the government is subsidizing? No doubt you're right. It's just that, isn't it the job of the FDA to take things off the market that kill people? I didn't even know that cigarettes were under the FDA until this week. Quote
bonnie Posted June 23, 2009 Posted June 23, 2009 Originally Posted By: bonnie The taxes are a great source of revenue. Why should they take off the market what the government is subsidizing? No doubt you're right. It's just that' date=' isn't it the job of the FDA to take things off the market that kill people? I didn't even know that cigarettes were under the FDA until this week. [/quote'] The FDA has not given them millions to continue. The FDA does not benefit from the enormous tax collected. It would be a lot trickier,a lot more difficult to pull them from the market than other harmful products. Most harmful products are not subsidized by the US government Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Members phkrause Posted June 23, 2009 Members Posted June 23, 2009 I'll ask my brother about this, he works for the FDA. pk Quote phkrause Read Isaiah 10:1-13
Dr. Shane Posted June 23, 2009 Posted June 23, 2009 I've heard nicotine is harder to quit than cocaine. It is harder for women to quit smoking than men. Yet millions of people quit smoking each year. I quit smoking 19 years ago. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
bonnie Posted June 24, 2009 Posted June 24, 2009 Millions start up again too. No one makes them start up again. As long as the product is legal and subsidized all the hand wringing by politicians is nothing but show. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Dr. Shane Posted June 24, 2009 Posted June 24, 2009 More quit each year than start up again. Many more. That is why the tobacco industry has had to aggressively market their product overseas. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
Dr. Shane Posted June 27, 2009 Posted June 27, 2009 It is a little disturbing because it can be showing some hypocrisy on his part. He takes a political position of being anti-tobacco and yet continues to smoke. That is kind of like a female politician that is pro-life but gets an abortion. Imagine what people would have said of Sarah Palin if she would have aborted her baby when she learned it had Downs Syndrome. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
carolaa Posted June 27, 2009 Posted June 27, 2009 I'm not sure that's the best analogy. As I understand it, the smoking bill is basically geared toward keeping advertising away from children. But I suppose it could appear hypocritical by some. As usual, the big corporations helped to write the legislation. In this case Phillip Morris. Hence, it is largely fluff and not a lot of substance, imo. Quote
bonnie Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 I'm not sure that's the best analogy. As I understand it, the smoking bill is basically geared toward keeping advertising away from children. But I suppose it could appear hypocritical by some. As usual, the big corporations helped to write the legislation. In this case Phillip Morris. Hence, it is largely fluff and not a lot of substance, imo. The height of hypocrisy is subsidizing that which you claim to be against. Government subsidizes tobacco farms as they do a dairy farm I picked up a discarded pack on the road today. On that it says to "quitting smoking now greatly reduces serious illness" Seems pretty clear. I know they have other warnings as well. Why shouldn't a company,legal and backed with subsidies from the US government aggressively market their product? Whether it be tobacco,porn or anything else harmful but legal the responsibility rests with the parents to educate their children. Keeping harmful advertising of any kind away from our children is the job of parents. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Dr. Shane Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 The anti-tobacco legislation bans flavored cigarettes except for menthol. Does anyone wonder if Obama smokes menthol? Most African-American smokers do smoke menthol. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
Planey Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 Originally Posted By: carolaa Why doesn't the FDA take cigarettes off the market? The taxes are a great source of revenue. Why should they take off the market what the government is subsidizing? I am puzzled. If the taxes (I assume from tobacco products) are a great source of revenue, then how could these same products be subsidized? Or does the government give out largesse to the tobacco companies and in return whack the the consumers with a large slice of sales tax? How revolting. Graeme Quote Graeme____________________________________________________________________________________________________________
carolaa Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 The height of hypocrisy is subsidizing that which you claim to be against.Government subsidizes tobacco farms as they do a dairy farm I picked up a discarded pack on the road today. On that it says to "quitting smoking now greatly reduces serious illness" Seems pretty clear. I know they have other warnings as well. Why shouldn't a company,legal and backed with subsidies from the US government aggressively market their product? Whether it be tobacco,porn or anything else harmful but legal the responsibility rests with the parents to educate their children. Keeping harmful advertising of any kind away from our children is the job of parents. I totally agree it is hypocritical to subsidize the tobacco industry. It's the big lobbies and influential Congress members at work once again. But I do believe society has an interest in protecting its citizens, even if they are children. To me, it is wise to allow certain things to be legal but to also limit their advertising. That doesn't mean we have to subsidize it or even make it easy for them. The alternative is to make them illegal, and that might be the best idea, but it would never fly. Quote
carolaa Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 Or does the government give out largesse to the tobacco companies and in return whack the the consumers with a large slice of sales tax? I believe that's pretty much how it works. I think it's largely because of a powerful Congressman in the past (Jesse Helms?) who got that subsidy passed for his tobacco company constituents. But smokers everywhere are paying for it. At least that's how I understand it. Quote
Dr. Shane Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 Minor point but Jesse Helms was a senator not a congressman. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
carolaa Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 I shouldn't even have mentioned his name since I can't remember exactly who it was. Yes, senators are members of congress, but they are not called congressmen. How weird is that? Quote
Dr. Shane Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 They look down their noses at "congressmen". Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
bonnie Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 Quote: Minor point but Jesse Helms was a senator not a congressman. I don't think he was responsible for the subsidy going to tobacco farmers. He certainly played a large part in maintaining it Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
bonnie Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 Quote: I am puzzled. If the taxes (I assume from tobacco products) are a great source of revenue, then how could these same products be subsidized? Or does the government give out largesse to the tobacco companies and in return whack the the consumers with a large slice of sales tax? How revolting. Graeme That well may be but it is a legal product. Farmers and any that are in agribusiness get a subsidy.The subsidy is supposed have a influence on the cost and supply of product and to supplement the income of those receiving the subsidy You pretty well explained it Tobacco farmers get their subsidy from our tax dollar. Remember the government does not produce income,it takes it from those that do. I have forgoten what the sales tax is on cigarettes but I know it is rather high. The farmer gets the subsidy from the tax payer,those tax payers that smoke pay again Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
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