bonnie Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 http://www.newclarion.com/2009/06/obama-on-honduras/ The New Clarion As I’ve noted several times, Obama is remarkable for his ability to choose the wrong position on every issue. He has done it again with the turmoil in Honduras. As Anastasia O’Grady explains, President Zelaya, a leftist ally of Hugo Chavez, decided he wanted to stay in power longer than the legal end of his term, so he called a referendum. That Mr. Zelaya acted as if he were above the law, there is no doubt. While Honduran law allows for a constitutional rewrite, the power to open that door does not lie with the president. A constituent assembly can only be called through a national referendum approved by its Congress. But Mr. Zelaya declared the vote on his own and had Mr. Chávez ship him the necessary ballots from Venezuela. The Supreme Court ruled his referendum unconstitutional, and it instructed the military not to carry out the logistics of the vote as it normally would do. The top military commander, Gen. Romeo Vásquez Velásquez, told the president that he would have to comply. Mr. Zelaya promptly fired him. The Supreme Court ordered him reinstated. Mr. Zelaya refused. Calculating that some critical mass of Hondurans would take his side, the president decided he would run the referendum himself. So on Thursday he led a mob that broke into the military installation where the ballots from Venezuela were being stored and then had his supporters distribute them in defiance of the Supreme Court’s order. The Honduras Supreme Court ordered the military to arrest Zelaya, who was being helped by the Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez in an attempt to subvert the constitution so that he could keep power. Zelaya was flown to Costa Rica. Castro, Chavez and Ortega have denounced Zelaya’s removal as a coup. And so have Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. Zelaya broke the fundamental law of the land. Honduras’s judges acted to protect the constitution from the schemes of a power-hungry statist. This is not a coup. The Supreme Court acted in the cause of freedom against a potential dictator. In both Iran and Honduras Barack Obama has failed to stand up for the cause of freedom. On the Iranian rebellion, his statements evolved, getting a little tougher each time, only because reports and videos came out of Iran on the internet that made it too embarrassing to Obama to continue all-out appeasement of the mullahs. On Honduras Obama stands with communist dictators against the rule of law. Considering his massive expansion of the state at home, we should not be surprised that Obama cares nothing for liberty abroad. UPDATE: The brilliant Caroline Glick explains Obama’s foreign policy. So if Obama’s foreign policy has already failed or is in the process of failing throughout the world, why is he refusing to reassess it? Why, with blood running through the streets of Iran, is he still interested in appeasing the mullahs? Why, with Venezuela threatening to invade Honduras for Zelaya, is he siding with Zelaya against Honduran democrats? Why, with the Palestinians refusing to accept the Jewish people’s right to self-determination, is he seeking to expel some 500,000 Jews from their homes in the interest of appeasing the Palestinians? Why, with North Korea threatening to attack the US with ballistic missiles, is he refusing to order the USS John McCain to interdict the suspected North Korean missile ship it has been trailing for the past two weeks? Why, when the Sudanese government continues to sponsor the murder of Darfuris, is the administration claiming that the genocide in Darfur has ended? The only reasonable answer to all of these questions is that far from being nonideological, Obama’s foreign policy is the most ideologically driven since Carter’s tenure in office. If when Obama came into office there was a question about whether he was a foreign policy pragmatist or an ideologue, his behavior in his first six months in office has dispelled all doubt. Obama is moved by a radical, anti-American ideology that motivates him to dismiss the importance of democracy and side with anti-American dictators against US allies. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 This is very disturbing to me. President Obama seems to be acting like he is afraid to stand up for what is right and good. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted July 2, 2009 Author Share Posted July 2, 2009 Quote: Ah...this is where you are getting your Foreign Policy information....opinion pieces by bloggers? Wow!! I am sure you know the old saying about assuming. Actually this is the first that I have read on that site. The information I go by more than anything is the information Obama provides himself. This has been n the radio frequently today and I doubt they were reporting that because of bloggers. It may just have been what came out of Obama's mouth Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted July 2, 2009 Author Share Posted July 2, 2009 Quote: WELL this is an interesting report on OBAMA'SFOREIGN POLICY That is the post I responded too. It does seem strange to answer dgrimms simple statement in the manner you did. You took what I posted and put it in quotes Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted July 2, 2009 Moderators Share Posted July 2, 2009 Very concerned about the President's policy in relation to a country whose name you can't spell correctly... Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolaa Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 Here is an interesting article related to this subject: http://www.democracynow.org/2009/7/1/generals_who_led_honduras_military_coup Intro: "Romeo Vasquez, a general who led the military coup in Honduras against President Manuel Zelaya, received training at the US School of the Americas. The SOA has trained more than 60,000 soldiers, many of whom have returned home and committed human rights abuses, torture, extrajudicial execution and massacres. According to School of the Americas Watch, Vasquez attended the SOA in 1976 and 1984. The head of the Air Force, Gen. Luis Javier Prince Suazo, also studied there in 1996. We speak with Father Roy Bourgeois, founder of the School of the Americas Watch." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted July 2, 2009 Author Share Posted July 2, 2009 Very concerned about the President's policy in relation to a country whose name you can't spell correctly... Not exactly sure what the spelling has to do with the ability to have concern over Obama and his policy here at home. If that is the type of issue that is crucial to you it may explain why you and others are so enthralled with this man. I am far more concerned about Obama's policy here at home. It is interesting tho that I can't think of a dictator he doesn't like and defend. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 I see no problem with what took place in Honduras and am puzzled why the White House does. I saw the White House trying to defend it tonight and the best they could do is say it was wrong to make President Zelaya flee in his pajamas. Imagine if President Bush had tried to do something like that in the US. Imagine if President Bush tried to change the Constitution without consent of Congress or the States and the Supreme Court ordered that he (President Bush) be removed from office. That is a pretty good comparison to what was going on in Honduras. President Zelaya was exceeding his authority granted to him, by the Honduran Constitution and their Supreme Court ordered the military to remove him. Why on Earth would President Obama want to defend him? Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 Actually I find what happened in Honduras as encouraging. It is great to see democracy at work like that. Too many times the courts and legislative branches in these banana republics have no real authority when contrast with the executive branch. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kountzer Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 The whole deal brings to mind the Woody Allen movie "bananas". DB Quote I prayed for twenty years but received no answer until I prayed with my legs. Frederick Douglass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 Actually I find what happened in Honduras as encouraging. It is great to see democracy at work like that. Too many times the courts and legislative branches in these banana republics have no real authority when contrast with the executive branch. Yes, it would appear that once again Obama is in opposition to democracy. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted July 2, 2009 Author Share Posted July 2, 2009 Originally Posted By: Shane Actually I find what happened in Honduras as encouraging. It is great to see democracy at work like that. Too many times the courts and legislative branches in these banana republics have no real authority when contrast with the executive branch. Yes, it would appear that once again Obama is in opposition to democracy. If the news is accurate a sitting president is currently trying to change their constitution of time limits in office to extend their possible term limit. That shouldn't be a problem to any american RIGHT?? Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted July 2, 2009 Author Share Posted July 2, 2009 HEY BONNIE I did not put any statement in quotes here ??????? This isn't about you. You didn't do anything except express interest. That is something that probably should not be done if coming from a conservative source. Other than that Bravus wanted to make issue as to how I spelled Hondurss Apparaentlt if you do no take time to use spellcheck you cannot have any legitimate concern Will certainly hamper a favorite poster and friend of his. He seems to take that legitimately no matter what. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 I think it best to not point fingers which it comes to spelling. It just drives people away from this forum. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted July 2, 2009 Author Share Posted July 2, 2009 Quote: I think it best to not point fingers which it comes to spelling. It just drives people away from this forum. Not to many do that. The remark by Bravus wasn't really about spelling or you would have seen remarks such as that before this. One that appears to be always on the same page as himself routinely misspells without word from bravus. Liberal love and tolerance in action LOL Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolaa Posted July 3, 2009 Share Posted July 3, 2009 Yes, it would appear that once again Obama is in opposition to democracy. So are you saying that most of the world is against democracy? Because most of the world is condemning the coup, while some of our enemies are supporting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted July 6, 2009 Share Posted July 6, 2009 The issue is: Was it a coup? I haven't seen any evidence that it was. With six months left in his term President Zelaya was trying to force an election that would amend their Constitution and allow him to remain their President. This is the problem. As President he would run the election and be able to throw the results his way, just as many suspect Hugo Chavez has done in Venezuela. And to make it more suspicious, President Zelaya got the ballots for his special election from Hugo Chavez. From everything I have read the power to call an election resides with the Honduran Congress - not the President. So President Zelaya was out of line in trying to force the election without Congressional support. Furthermore, there have been several laws passed by the Honduran Congress that President Zelaya refused to implement. The Honduran Supreme Court finally order the military to remove the President from office. Is that a coup? Show me what I am missing. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted July 7, 2009 Author Share Posted July 7, 2009 HEY ALL ANY time a ruler of a country that has been considered a democracy wants to change the laws so that he/she can stay in power then something is wrong dgrimm60 Anytime the ruler of a free country backs and supports the action of wanting to make void the constitution by a sitting president of another country,SOMETHING IS VERY WRONG. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolaa Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 I thought he was just holding a referendum on whether to change the constitution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 As President he didn't have the authority to hold a referendum. The authority to call an election belongs to the Honduran congress. Think about this for a moment. Why would Honduras get ballots from Venezuela? Can't Honduras print their own ballots? Of course they can. But, apparently the Honduran companies that print ballots were not printing them for this President. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolaa Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 Well, I heard the new guy is bringing back the death squads. That doesn't sound good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Oplinger Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 Sounds like another MSM propaganda talking point. I find it very coincidental that the very ones who upheld democracy and the rule of law in Honduras are now portrayed as "bringing back the death squads". That the former president taken out of office is politically aligned with Chavez and Obama only heightens that "coincidence". What was it Alinsky said about the use of ridicule and false accusation? Over the last 18 yrs, I've seen our US journalistic operations slide deeply from at least having the appearance of journalistic integrity, to being open propaganda merchants. Joseph Goebbels would be so very proud of today's American media... Quote "As iron sharpens iron, so also does one man sharpen another" - Proverbs 27:17 "The offense of the cross is that the cross is a confession of human frailty and sin and of inability to do any good thing. To take the cross of Christ means to depend solely on Him for everything, and this is the abasement of all human pride. Men love to fancy themselves independent. But let the cross be preached, let it be made known that in man dwells no good thing and that all must be received as a gift, and straightway someone is offended." Ellet J. Waggoner, The Glad Tidings "Courage is being scared to death - and saddling up anyway" - John Wayne "The person who pays an ounce of principle for a pound of popularity gets badly cheated" - Ronald Reagan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planey Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 Joseph Goebbels would be so very proud of today's American media... Except FoxNews. Apparently. Graeme Quote Graeme____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 There is a lot of pressure on the new government in Honduras to reinstate the ousted president. This still amazes me. President Zelaya was trying to hold an illegal election so that he could rig it and extend his term as president. He was not enacting laws passed by the nation's legislature. The nation's Supreme Court order the Army to remove him. What am I missing? Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Oplinger Posted July 22, 2009 Share Posted July 22, 2009 There is a lot of pressure on the new government in Honduras to reinstate the ousted president. This still amazes me. President Zelaya was trying to hold an illegal election so that he could rig it and extend his term as president. He was not enacting laws passed by the nation's legislature. The nation's Supreme Court order the Army to remove him. What am I missing? What you're missing is that it is precisely the rule of law as it is stipulated in their Constitution, by the people themselves. That just cannot be allowed by the ruler of the "free-est nation on earth" - especially when the global push is for some sort of socialist/fascist hybrid dictatorship. It may not pan out that way, but it sure is reading that way right now... Quote "As iron sharpens iron, so also does one man sharpen another" - Proverbs 27:17 "The offense of the cross is that the cross is a confession of human frailty and sin and of inability to do any good thing. To take the cross of Christ means to depend solely on Him for everything, and this is the abasement of all human pride. Men love to fancy themselves independent. But let the cross be preached, let it be made known that in man dwells no good thing and that all must be received as a gift, and straightway someone is offended." Ellet J. Waggoner, The Glad Tidings "Courage is being scared to death - and saddling up anyway" - John Wayne "The person who pays an ounce of principle for a pound of popularity gets badly cheated" - Ronald Reagan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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