Transforming the World by Subverting the Churches

[bonnie]

Real Conspiracies -- Part 3

Transforming the World by Subverting the Church

Berit Kjos - October 2006

See Part 1: Real Conspiracies -- Past and Present

Part 2: Treason in the Church: Trading Truth for a "Social Gospel"

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"...we have seen how Dr. Walter Rauschenbusch... and the leaders of the social-action movements in the churches decided to do away with Christian individualism and turn to outright collectivism, using the church as their instrument.... Religion was only a means toward achieving socialism. And, like all other false prophets who have infiltrated religion through he centuries, [Rauschenbusch] used a 'front' or disguise. This disguise, as we have seen, was 'The Kingdom of God.' The Kingdom was not pictured as a spiritual society into which men and women had to be born as individuals through a personal relationship with Jesus Christ as Savior, but as a collectivist society which would be brought about by... eradication of poverty, redistribution of wealth... and 'economic justice.'"[1] Edgar Bundy, Collectivism in the Churches.

"Rockefeller promoted universal ecumenism by stating in December 1917... 'I see all denominational emphasis set aside....I see the church molding the thought of the world... I see it literally establishing the Kingdom of God on earth."[2] Dr. James W. Wardner, Unholy Alliances: The Secret Plan and the Secret People who are Working to Destroy America.

Conspiracies have battered the Church for 2000 years -- just as God warned us. Ever since Jesus walked the narrow streets of Jerusalem, spiritual battles have challenged Christians to stand firm on His Word and resist the wide ways of the world. Today the battles rage as fiercely as ever.

The Social Gospel of the early 20th century shifted the focus of many church leaders from God's unchanging Word to the world's pliable illusions. Socialist seminary professors, pragmatic pastors, and deluded idealists validated their visions with hand-picked Bible verses that "fit" their social message. "Offensive" words like sin and redemption were redefined, contextualized or ignored. No need for the cross, since all people were considered essentially good.

Naturally, as socialist ideals tore away at the old Biblical barriers to spiritual pluralism, the change process accelerated. Even "conservative" pastors -- like their purpose-driven guides -- began to view Christianity primarily as good "deeds, not creeds."[3]

Transformational tactics

In Part 2, we documented these early strategies, patterned after the Kremlin's plan for the Soviet "church."

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Infiltrate church institutions.

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Adapt the Communist social campaign to America's unique beliefs, wants, and values.

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Concentrate on seminaries where each new convert learns to influence thousands.

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Divert the heart and purposes of the Church from the spiritual to the material.

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Demonstrate tolerance toward beliefs and values that clash with God's Words.

"It’s not just tolerance, it’s to go beyond tolerance, to principle pluralism, which... means no religion has a privileged place," said Richard Cizik, who represented the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE) at the prestigious 2006 Clinton Global Initiative conference. "I would say one step even further, which is to say partnership.... The fundamentalists have a pessimistic view of the future and they have this perception, unlike evangelicals and liberal Christians, that there’s an unbridgeable divide between the believer and the unbeliever.... We don’t believe that."[4]

Of course they don't. God's Word clashes with the world's vision of pluralism! That's why Jesus said, "If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.... If they persecuted Me they will persecute you... for they do not know the One who sent Me." John 15:19-20

The world readily accepts Christian love, charity, and willingness to serve the needy. It just can't accept the source of that love. It wants the fruit of God's Spirit but transplants its roots into the soil of humanism. To succeed in this assault, it fine-tunes the following strategies:

1. Infiltration, then mass conversion to a counterfeit system. In Part 2, we looked at some revealing testimonies given by former Communist leader Manning Johnson before the Committee on Un-American Activities of the U.S. House of Representatives in 1953. Here are a few more:

"The plan was to make the seminaries the neck of a funnel through which thousands of potential clergymen would issue forth, carrying with them, in varying degrees, an ideology and slant which would aid in neutralizing the anti-Communist character of the church and also to use the clergy to spearhead important Communist projects....

"This policy was successful beyond even Communist expectations. The combination of Communist clergymen, clergymen with a pro-Communist ideology, plus thousands of clergymen who were sold the principle of considering Communist causes as progressive... furnished the Soviet apparatus with a machine which was used as a religious cover for the overall Communist operation."[5]

Of course, they wouldn't call it Communism. Words like compassion and world service felt far better.

2. Communitarian partnerships

Today, more than a decade after the supposed "death of Communism," a more pleasing version is rising like the mythical phoenix out of its own ashes. It's new label? Communitarianism! Like the old system, this upgraded version would control the masses through universal surveillance, personal data files, and a hierarchy of groups or councils (originally called soviets). It's already being marketed to the public as decentralized leadership, sustainable development, supportive networks, and voluntary service.

Does it sound confusing? Here is a simple formula: Communitarian systems are based on networks of "partnerships" between the public sector (government), private sector (business) and social sector (civil society, including churches). In other words, social sector "volunteers" would serve the government (ultimately the UN agenda) providing most of the "social services" needed for the global welfare state.

The catch? The private and the social sectors must conform to the standards (personal, performance, development, etc.) determined by the public sector (the government). Instead of owning everything, it would just control everything. Its standards already include "mental health," which involve pluralistic guidelines for religion and values." So within this "compassionate" and "tolerant" socialist system, Christians would no longer be free to serve God as He leads. And this is just the beginning!

As mass movements such as Rick Warren's Purpose-Driven PEACE Plan enter into partnerships with the United Nations, White House, CFR and other governmental and policy making institutions, they are pressed into an ever-changing consensus pattern.[6] To continue their determined march toward "success" (based on unconditional relationships and measurable results) they bind themselves to the evolving regulation of the global management system.

3. Collective thinking.

Purpose-Driven and Church Growth movements -- as well as the secular transformational networks driven by Peter Senge and Peter Drucker -- emphasize relational vitality and collective thinking. As Manning Johnson testified, group thinking and interdependent relationships are powerful weapons against individual resisters and a Bible-trained conscience:

"The Communists have an advantage in religious organizations due to the fact that their forces within religious groups are well organized as a totalitarian group. This gives this destructive element a great tactical advantage over all others in the religious organizations who deal with religion as individuals, operating ethics on the basis of an individual conscience before God...."

"Communist strategists counted the effectiveness of their forces not so much on numbers alone, but on the importance of individuals loyal to communism in key spots where a small group can influence large numbers.... Thus, one professor of divinity, lecturing to future clergymen, who in turn will preach to thousands of churchgoers, is, in the long run, more dangerous than 20 Red preachers, singing the praises of communism from the pulpit....

"...if an infiltrated body has 1 per cent Communist Party members and 9 per cent Communist Party sympathizers, with well-rehearsed plans of action, they can effectively control the remaining 90 per cent who act and think on an individual basis. In the large sections of the religious field, due to the ideological poison which has been filtered in by Communists and pro-Communists through seminaries, the backlog of sympathizers and mental prisoners of Socialistic ideology is greater than the 10 percent necessary for effective control."[7]

4. Small groups and the dialectic process

To "control the remaining 90 per cent" who act and think on an individual basis, former Communist leaders assigned all their subjects -- workers, managers, prisoners and students -- to local "soviets" (groups or councils) where they were trained in Georg Hegel's dialectic process. They had to

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"Share" thoughts and notions. [Now cheered as "authenticity"]

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"Confess" contrary attitudes. [brainwashing and "Education Reform"]

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Write "self-criticisms" for group evaluation. [When Iron Gates Yield]

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"Celebrate" Communist ideals and heroes

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"Commit" themselves to follow the group consensus.

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Practice what the group (led by the facilitator) decides. [PRAXIS]

This dialectic process is now the centerpiece of the world's management systems. Designed to conform all minds to a common vision and mission (purpose), it calls for ground rules that ban divisive truths but demand tolerance for the world's corrupt values. [8]

This process was described in our article "Small Groups and the Dialectic Process," which summarizes the strategies taught in Leading Congregational Change (LCC). "This is a book you ought to read before you change anything," wrote Rick Warren in his hearty endorsement on the back cover.[9]

The LCC shows us that the dialectic group doesn't operate in a vacuum. It's part of a system that controls the planned transformation with vision-casting, team-building, top-down standards, force field analysis, capacity building, and service learning. To persuade church members to go along with the transformation, leaders must continually create tension through crisis, thus arouse dissatisfaction. Forget God's call to "be content" in Him. That doesn't fit the plan for continual change through unceasing agitation.

This unbiblical program follows the same Total Quality Management model embraced by governments, corporations, education systems, the United Nations and other organizations around the world. Do you wonder where the Holy Spirit fits into this scheme?

Written by James H. Furr, Mike Bonem, and Jim Herrington, the LCC was published by Jossey-Bass, which works closely with the Peter Drucker Foundation (renamed Leader to Leader). "We thank Rick Warren," it tells us, "for the opportunity to reach and refine our understanding of congregational transformation as part of Saddleback Valley Church's Purpose-Driven Church Conference. ... We also saw many applications in Peter Senge's The Fifth Discipline...."[10]

When assigned to a group, members are encouraged to eat together, play together, serve the community together, and do short-terms mission trips together. There's nothing wrong with Christian togetherness. But in this context -- created by trained facilitator/leaders -- every event becomes a practice session (praxis) in group dialogue and "Repressive Tolerance." The latter refers to "intolerance against movements from the right, and toleration of movements from the left." [see "Cultural Marxism" and "Three kinds of group relationships."][11]

Resisting Deception

Well aware of the struggles and temptations His people would face, God gave us Scriptures that both warn and equip us. Here are three worth remembering:

"As you have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving. Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ." Colossians 2:6-9

"And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works." 2 Corinthians 11:13-15

But "thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable...." 1 Corinthians 15:56

[bonnie]

Really describes what takes place here.Everything is to be tolerated and embraced except a conservative way of thinking

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When assigned to a group, members are encouraged to eat together, play together, serve the community together, and do short-terms mission trips together. There's nothing wrong with Christian togetherness. But in this context -- created by trained facilitator/leaders -- every event becomes a practice session (praxis) in group dialogue and "Repressive Tolerance." The latter refers to "intolerance against movements from the right, and toleration of movements from the left." [see "Cultural Marxism" and "Three kinds of group relationships."][11]

[lazarus]

can u post a link for the article.

[bonnie]

can u post a link for the article.

Later when I have time to look it up again

[Tom Wetmore]

It is from http://www.crossroad.to/index.html

More specifically http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/006/conspiracy3.htm

It can also be found here - http://www.newswithviews.com/ and here - http://cuttingedge.org/index.html and here - http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/index.php and here - http://erwm.com/ ... just to name a few places where it can be found.

[Planey]

Would you say that it has authority and authenticity similar to "The Protocols of Zion" then, Tom?

Graeme

[Tom Wetmore]

I hadn't thought of that specific comparison, but I think that would be fair and reasonable comparison!

[bonnie]

Would you say that it has authority and authenticity similar to "The Protocols of Zion" then, Tom?

Graeme

It sounds a lot like Obama and his followers

[Planey]

Originally Posted By: Planey

Would you say that it has authority and authenticity similar to "The Protocols of Zion" then, Tom?

Graeme

It sounds a lot like Obama and his followers

What does?

Graeme

[bonnie]

Originally Posted By: bonnie

It sounds a lot like Obama and his followers[/quote']

What does?

Graeme

http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/006/conspiracy3.htm

[Planey]

Sounds like it has the right label - conspiracy - but not in the way it is portrayed in the article.

In fact it is in harmony with the rest of the website from which it comes - Whoooo-eeeee.

Graeme

[bonnie]

Sounds like it has the right label - conspiracy - but not in the way it is portrayed in the article.

In fact it is in harmony with the rest of the website from which it comes - Whoooo-eeeee.

Graeme

Conspiracy is a word that is used to cover,ridicule and for dismissal. Conspiracy in the usual sense that is used concerning the Jesuits etc have led to everything is so don't pay attention to what is taking place around you.

I don't think there is this big conspiracy to bring about control of religious thought or conduct. That will come later.

I do believe there is a strong desire to bring capitalism to it's knees and introduce the glories of socialism.

Even countries that historically are socialist are warning Obama not to go down that road.

Once socialism takes over with it's control and power the rest will come easily

[Tom Wetmore]

I keep hearing the theme music for The Twilight Zone...

[bonnie]

I keep hearing the theme music for The Twilight Zone...

You are a classic example of what I was talking about.

A little warning from my deceased father keeps popping up.

As a young person when I would ask my dad about some events that he and my mother believed would take place

He always told me never to worry about those outside the denomination.

The ones in the pew next to me would pose the greatest threat.

[carolaa]

Would you say that it has authority and authenticity similar to "The Protocols of Zion" then, Tom?

[Tom Wetmore]

...He always told me never to worry about those outside the denomination.

I assume that is why you have no worries (critical thought, discernment...) about Kjos someone outside of the Adventist denomination (or any other for that matter...)

Originally Posted By: bonnie

...The ones in the pew next to me would pose the greatest threat.

Consider the possibility that the ones sitting in the pew next to you may be thinking the same thing...

What a wonderfull idea to encourage unity...

[bonnie]

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I assume that is why you have no worries (critical thought, discernment...) about Kjos someone outside of the Adventist denomination (or any other for that matter...)

I always get kind of a kick out of responses from you and other of your liberal allies. As in "no critical thought or discernment"

For some reason you and your fellow liberal's don't seem able to respond without calling into question someone else's intelligence or using sarcasm.

Many promote the acceptance of anything and everything,any type of lifestyle as the only "christian" way,except for a conservative thought.

As an attorney I would expect that you would realize the foolishness of assuming.

I have some idea of what to anticipate from those outside the denomination.

Up until the last few years I thought it would always be possible to recognize a fellow SDA. Not as in total agreement, but that there would be beliefs shared other than the belief there is a God.

That really isn't true anymore.

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Consider the possibility that the ones sitting in the pew next to you may be thinking the same thing...

That is very possible especially sitting next to a liberal that doesn't think a conservative should be able to share a pew.

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What a wonderfull idea to enco"urage unity...

I do not think all unity is a great and wonderful thing. While I am firmly rooted in what I believe, I have no wish to see any made unwelcome or question their intelligence because they believe differently than I. As long as I am not asked to compromise on what I believe biblically.

I am sure that some of you would rather question what I or others believe than defend what you yourself believe.

You may not like what conservatives believe but at least we are pretty upfront. I don't know of any that "go behind closed doors" so to speak with like minded liberal's and call those they disagree with some pretty vile names.

Then present another face to the forum

[bonnie]

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For some reason you and your fellow liberal's don't seem able to respond without calling into question someone else's intelligence or using sarcasm.

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As an attorney I would expect that you would realize the foolishness of assuming.

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assume |əˈsoōm|

verb [ trans. ]

1 suppose to be the case, without proof

Might I guess.....you aren't assuming?

Perhaps you have a different def. .

No I am not assuming. This has been done quite frequently.......

calling into question someone else's intelligence or using sarcasm

[bonnie]

Just a recent example by Tom............I keep hearing the theme music for The Twilight Zone

It really isn't a big deal in that it is new or unexpected coming from Tom.

What is a little odd is to watch those as dedicated die hard liberal's cannot respond in a discussion without resorting to that.

Pretty much lacking in any real reason for supporting some unprecedented actions being taking in this country by Obama and administration. Simply sarcasm.

More and more is a very noticeable drifting or running away from some pretty clear bible prophecy and end time events.

[bonnie]

For me it is a lot easier to have respect for a honest,straight forward adversary.

Even if disliking someone, respect is possible for those that are straight forward about it.

Humor is a great thing when used in a honest and fun loving way.

At times the claims of humor are very dishonest but allows a lot more leeway in what is said. One can always fall back on "I was just kidding"

I do get a little kick out of guessing what the next slam or sarcasm is before I click on the post tho.

Some of what I have read the last few days has shown a clear picture concerning some,something I was only guessing at before I read it.

[Tom Wetmore]

Just a recent example by Tom............I keep hearing the theme music for The Twilight Zone

It really isn't a big deal in that it is new or unexpected coming from Tom.

What is a little odd is to watch those as dedicated die hard liberal's cannot respond in a discussion without resorting to that...

Here is my impression of your interaction on this forum. I seems to me that you take things far too personally. (Or is it taking yourself too seriously?) That includes things that are posted in response to the substance of what you post, regardless of whether it is your thoughts and ideas or not. And it includes things that are just posted about things you feel strongly about or believe in even if it is not directed to anything you posted. Or at least it seems to me that you tend to come across this way whether or not you intend to. Your posts tend to leave the impression of someone very thin skinned, defensive, angry, bitter and totally devoid of a sense of humor, even showing a rather nasty disposition at times. I find it hard to believe that you really are this way in real life, so I am willing to attribute it to the limitations of this written medium.

Taking personally the Twilight Zone music reference is a case in point. Perhaps I should have been clearer and less succinct. It was not about you personally. It was really a reflection of my reaction to this topic in general and specifically the Kjos article and the Crossroads site from which you got it.

You just need to lighten up a bit in your interaction on this forum. Relax. Laugh a little. Don't take things said or yourself so seriously or personally.

Tom

[bonnie]

You have made some interesting statements. Not ignoring it,just won't have time till later today

[bonnie]

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Here is my impression of your interaction on this forum. I seems to me that you take things far too personally. (Or is it taking yourself too seriously?) That includes things that are posted in response to the substance of what you post

If we are talking of impressions............

Humor is often used as a means of hiding behind a point the "humorist" wishes to make.

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regardless of whether it is your thoughts and ideas or not. And it includes things that are just posted about things you feel strongly about or believe in even if it is not directed to anything you posted.

Things I feel strongly about may very well get a reaction.

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Or at least it seems to me that you tend to come across this way whether or not you intend to. Your posts tend to leave the impression of someone very thin skinned, defensive, angry, bitter and totally devoid of a sense of humor, even showing a rather nasty disposition at times. I find it hard to believe that you really are this way in real life, so I am willing to attribute it to the limitations of this written medium.

It seems on this forum if someone is not a flaming liberal anything and everything is angry,nasty etc.

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Taking personally the Twilight Zone music reference is a case in point. Perhaps I should have been clearer and less succinct. It was not about you personally. It was really a reflection of my reaction to this topic in general and specifically the Kjos article and the Crossroads site from which you got it.

For several and you are among them as you pointed out saying it is your reaction to this topic, and it frequently is made personal. There are those that believe in conspiracies,I am not one of them. I don't believe FEMA is constructing concentration camps earmarked for confining christians,I don't believe we have Jesuits hiding under every pew,I passed on a great offer to purchase 40 lbs of unaltered seed so I could have food during the "time of trouble" and we have to flee. Just couldn't figure out how in fleeing to the mountains anyone would let me maintain a garden there or how I would get it to grow.

That doesn't mean I like the ridicule heaped on them. And it is whether you call it humor or not. Then when that same "humor" is directed in a post to me you think it odd or it makes me an angry

I still maintain the belief that bible prophesy has something to tell us and guide us.

This is no longer true of so of many I see here. Watching what is going on nationally and globally does not make me believe it less but more. There is not a one,two,three to go by,but there is some pretty good guidence. No one knows when or how exactly events will be carried out. Next year,five years,20,haven't a clue but recent events if not the beginning are a pretty good indicator of what will come and how easily it can be carried out. AND that is not funny.

It may not seem so to some but there are those of you that have so much invested in Obama for some reason you fail to even give thought to some very unprecedented behavior. Behavior that has more than a slim chance of coming back to bite christians big time.Or just flat out do not give much credibility to bible prophesy any longer.

I have said it before and each time I hear it I still am surprised. The warnings and not those of the Fema concentration camp crowd, come from secular area's or those not very well versed in scripture. Several voted for Obama,yet are very uneasy where we are headed.

SDA's are the biggest scoffer of events to come that I run into. I read something posted by John3:17 He is dead on the money as far as I am concerned. I can go through out this forum and find numerous examples of opposition to bible prophesy by those inside the chruch. We cannot teach people what bible prophesy says as less and less think it has any value or is relevant.

I think that we need to teach people what prophecy says on that point, and we have to realize that we will be opposed by some-- perhaps many-- inside the SDA church.

I see a real divide in our church coming. It is already here but it's growing wider and deeper and bigger. As Ellen White said, "The church will appear to be about to fall but it will not fall." I think the majority will make a separate church, and there will be left a small remnant who truly believe the FB 28 and the Testimonies.

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You just need to lighten up a bit in your interaction on this forum. Relax. Laugh a little. Don't take things said or yourself so seriously or personally.

Tom

No actually I don't. I laugh a lot. I just am not big on rudeness and nastiness described as humor.

I really,really dislike those that present one face to the forum and one to a select group of friends.

That I take seriously and don't believe much of what is said by those that do or those that accept that.

If indeed what you said was meant as humorous then nothing further needs to be said.

[bonnie]

A couple of notes concerning my concern where this is all could be headed.

Two pretty minor issues. One is the union and the warnings we have had concerning them.

For a long time now in MN,once a very strong union state,the unions have been pretty worthless without much clout.

It was hard to see how they could be a threat of any kind.

Then Obama showed how. Whether he can or will attempt more than a token approach to favoring unions time will tell. Doesn't matter even if he is successful,it shows exactly what he will do if given the chance.

In attempting to tax health benefits of employee's the idea is being floated that union members will be exempt from that tax.

How does that work.

In his stimulus it is clearly stated only union shops/construction/and infrastructure will be allowed to bid.

Another area that puzzled me when my dad would talk about it is how on earth could a president or government get the willing participation of our fellow citizens.

Obama showed by clear example of how quickly a charismatic president can turn the tide.

He lied thru his teeth when he pretended surprise at the that AIG was paying large bonuses. His performance was good,at one point he was "choked up with anger" . He willingly,along with Frank and Dodd fueled the sentiment for their own actions and directed it at AIG employee's.

People were so incensed ,even learning that they knew before it was made an issue by them did not stop the desire to see "the employee's get theirs".

There were death threats against them and even against their children,led by our president.

When the time comes I believe it will be quite eays