Guest Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Liberal lies about national health care, Part 1 Ann Coulter 1) National health care will punish the insurance companies. You want to punish insurance companies? Make them compete. As Adam Smith observed, whenever two businessmen meet, "the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices." That's why we need a third, fourth and 45th competing insurance company that will undercut them by offering better service at a lower price. Tiny little France and Germany have more competition among health insurers than the U.S. does right now. Amazingly, both of these socialist countries have less state regulation of health insurance than we do, and you can buy health insurance across regional lines – unlike in the U.S., where a federal law allows states to ban interstate commerce in health insurance. U.S. health insurance companies are often imperious, unresponsive consumer hellholes because they're a partial monopoly, protected from competition by government regulation. In some states, one big insurer will control 80 percent of the market. (Guess which party these big insurance companies favor? Big companies love big government.) Liberals think they can improve the problem of a partial monopoly by turning it into a total monopoly. That's what single-payer health care is: "Single payer" means "single provider." It's the famous liberal two-step: First screw something up, then claim that it's screwed up because there's not enough government oversight (it's the free market run wild!), and then step in and really screw it up in the name of "reform." You could fix 90 percent of the problems with health insurance by ending the federal law allowing states to ban health insurance sales across state lines. But when John McCain called for ending the ban during the 2008 presidential campaign, he was attacked by Joe Biden – another illustration of the ironclad Ann Coulter rule that the worst Republicans are still better than allegedly "conservative" Democrats. 2) National health care will "increase competition and keep insurance companies honest" – as President Barack Obama has said. Government-provided health care isn't a competitor; it's a monopoly product paid for by the taxpayer. Consumers may be able to "choose" whether they take the service – at least at first – but every single one of us will be forced to buy it, under penalty of prison for tax evasion. It's like a new cable plan with a "yes" box, but no "no" box. Obama himself compared national health care to the post office – immediately conjuring images of a highly efficient and consumer-friendly work force – which, like so many consumer-friendly shops, is closed by 2 p.m. on Saturdays, all Sundays and every conceivable holiday. But what most people don't know – including the president, apparently – with certain narrow exceptions, competing with the post office is prohibited by law. Expect the same with national health care. Liberals won't stop until they have total control. How else will they get you to pay for their sex-change operations? 3) Insurance companies are denying legitimate claims because they are "villains." Obama denounced the insurance companies in last Sunday's New York Times, saying: "A man lost his health coverage in the middle of chemotherapy because the insurance company discovered that he had gallstones, which he hadn't known about when he applied for his policy. Because his treatment was delayed, he died." Well, yeah. That and the cancer. Assuming this is true – which would distinguish it from every other story told by Democrats pushing national health care – in a free market, such an insurance company couldn't stay in business. Other insurance companies would scream from the rooftops about their competitor's shoddy business practices, and customers would leave in droves. If only customers had a choice! But we don't because of government regulation of health insurance. Speaking of which, maybe if Mr. Gallstone's insurance company weren't required by law to cover early childhood development programs and sex-change operations, it wouldn't be forced to cut corners in the few areas not regulated by the government, such as cancer treatments for patients with gallstones. 4) National health care will give Americans "basic consumer protections that will finally hold insurance companies accountable" – as Barack Obama claimed in his op/ed in the Times. You want to protect consumers? Do it the same way we protect consumers of dry cleaning, hamburgers and electricians: Give them the power to tell their insurance companies, "I'm taking my business elsewhere." 5) Government intervention is the only way to provide coverage for pre-existing conditions. The only reason most "pre-existing" conditions aren't already covered is because of government regulations that shrink the insurance market to a microscopic size, which leads to fewer options in health insurance and a lot more uninsured people than would exist in a free market. The free market has produced a dizzying array of insurance products in areas other than health. (Ironically, array-associated dizziness is not covered by most health plans.) Even insurance companies have "reinsurance" policies to cover catastrophic events occurring on the properties they insure, such as nuclear accidents, earthquakes and Michael Moore dropping in for a visit and breaking the couch. If we had a free market in health insurance, it would be inexpensive and easy to buy insurance for "pre-existing" conditions before they exist, for example, insurance on unborn – unconceived – children and health insurance even when you don't have a job. The vast majority of "pre-existing" conditions that currently exist in a cramped, limited, heavily regulated insurance market would be "covered" conditions under a free market in health insurance. I've hit my word limit on liberal lies about national health care without breaking a sweat. See this space next week for more lies in our continuing series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Quote: U.S. health insurance companies are often imperious, unresponsive consumer hellholes because they're a partial monopoly, protected from competition by government regulation. In some states, one big insurer will control 80 percent of the market. (Guess which party these big insurance companies favor? Big companies love big government.) Liberals think they can improve the problem of a partial monopoly by turning it into a total monopoly. That's what single-payer health care is: "Single payer" means "single provider." There are over 1700 insurance companies,that should insure competition if the assinine rules are changed. Let me pay for what I will use. I do not need protection for pregnancy,substance abuse,and a host of others I am forced to pay for. Quote: It's the famous liberal two-step: First screw something up, then claim that it's screwed up because there's not enough government oversight (it's the free market run wild!), and then step in and really screw it up in the name of "reform." You could fix 90 percent of the problems with health insurance by ending the federal law allowing states to ban health insurance sales across state lines. But when John McCain called for ending the ban during the 2008 presidential campaign, he was attacked by Joe Biden – another illustration of the ironclad Ann Coulter rule that the worst Republicans are still better than allegedly "conservative" Democrats. A long with torte reform. Obama doesnt want to touch that one. Make the loser pay if loses a frivolous lawsuit. Bet if the MacDonald's hot coffee one would never have been filed. 2) National health care will "increase competition and keep insurance companies honest" – as President Barack Obama has said. Quote: Government-provided health care isn't a competitor; it's a monopoly product paid for by the taxpayer. Consumers may be able to "choose" whether they take the service – at least at first – but every single one of us will be forced to buy it, under penalty of prison for tax evasion. It's like a new cable plan with a "yes" box, but no "no" box. That is exactly what it is. Even the CBO says millions and millions will lose the right to choose. Eventually ending in the signle payer plan Obama wants Quote: But what most people don't know – including the president, apparently – with certain narrow exceptions, competing with the post office is prohibited by law. Expect the same with national health care. Liberals won't stop until they have total control. How else will they get you to pay for their sex-change operations? I don't think Obama cares how it is run,just so there is something to run by government Quote: Insurance companies are denying legitimate claims because they are "villains." Obama denounced the insurance companies in last Sunday's New York Times, saying: "A man lost his health coverage in the middle of chemotherapy because the insurance company discovered that he had gallstones, which he hadn't known about when he applied for his policy. Because his treatment was delayed, he died." Well, yeah. That and the cancer. If this man had cancer long enough to have insurance paying for cancer treatment,what Obama has said is another of him drawing it out of thin air. Since HIPPA this cannot be done. The pre-existing clause prohibits this. Valid insurance within the framework of coverage for three consecutive months waives pre-existing Quote: Speaking of which, maybe if Mr. Gallstone's insurance company weren't required by law to cover early childhood development programs and sex-change operations, it wouldn't be forced to cut corners in the few areas not regulated by the government, such as cancer treatments for patients with gallstones. This is about as valid and truthful as King Obama claiming Dr's amputate for profit. Primary care physicians make more avoiding the suregery they get nothing when the SURGEON operates. Nor does the surgeon charge 20-30,000.00 per amputations. This runs 750-1200.00? A little shy of what he is claiming Quote: Government intervention is the only way to provide coverage for pre-existing conditions. The only reason most "pre-existing" conditions aren't already covered is because of government regulations that shrink the insurance market to a microscopic size, which leads to fewer options in health insurance and a lot more uninsured people than would exist in a free market. This simply is not true. We moved my mother from WY to MN,following a near fatal stroke. We had to change her insurance policy. As long as she had legitimate coverage the past three months with anyone,it did not apply. Her history was not problem free I changed our private health plan following my husband's first stroke at 58. Guess what? no problem. Provided proof of coverage with another company and was covered. He had a another stroke six months after changing and not a word said Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Quote: National health care will give Americans "basic consumer protections that will finally hold insurance companies accountable" – as Barack Obama claimed in his op/ed in the Times. Pay your own basic care. Your car insurance does not pay for a oil change,or new tires. Your homeowners does not pay for basic upkeep of your home. Get into health care and people dissolve in a heap at the thought of paying for their child's immunizations Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Oplinger Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Quote: National health care will give Americans "basic consumer protections that will finally hold insurance companies accountable" – as Barack Obama claimed in his op/ed in the Times. Pay your own basic care. Your car insurance does not pay for a oil change,or new tires. Your homeowners does not pay for basic upkeep of your home. Get into health care and people dissolve in a heap at the thought of paying for their child's immunizations Easier said than done with the HMO's, Bonnie. Incidentally, weren't the HMO's supposed to be the end of all health care issues, according to Kennedy back in '88?? I now understand HMO's to be the government's toes into the room... Being a diabetic, I've actually paid my own way on my (more expensive than the average person's) basic upkeep on occasion. I get howls of protests from both the HMO (to whom it shouldn't matter - $ are $, after all) and my friends and family, who think that the premiums paid every month entitle me to "basic upkeep". And after those occasions, I simply pay the co-pays to keep the quiet in the family. Standing up for principle is expensive - in more ways than one. If we actually paid our way, we would be shopping for the most bang for the buck. As it should be. I would like to see both the insurance industry and the trial lawyers out of the medical field for everything but the most catastrophic occurences. The car insurance paying for tune-ups and upkeep is an apt illustration - but it is going to be rapidly undermined by the insurance companies - who are now offering policies to cover routine breakdowns and engine repairs/upkeep. It won't be too long before the cost of auto reair starts to shoot up - because it won't be paid by our money anymore. Quote "As iron sharpens iron, so also does one man sharpen another" - Proverbs 27:17 "The offense of the cross is that the cross is a confession of human frailty and sin and of inability to do any good thing. To take the cross of Christ means to depend solely on Him for everything, and this is the abasement of all human pride. Men love to fancy themselves independent. But let the cross be preached, let it be made known that in man dwells no good thing and that all must be received as a gift, and straightway someone is offended." Ellet J. Waggoner, The Glad Tidings "Courage is being scared to death - and saddling up anyway" - John Wayne "The person who pays an ounce of principle for a pound of popularity gets badly cheated" - Ronald Reagan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Quote: Easier said than done with the HMO's, Bonnie. Incidentally, weren't the HMO's supposed to be the end of all health care issues, according to Kennedy back in '88?? I now understand HMO's to be the government's toes into the room... Being a diabetic, I've actually paid my own way on my (more expensive than the average person's) basic upkeep on occasion. I get howls of protests from both the HMO (to whom it shouldn't matter - $ are $, after all) and my friends and family, who think that the premiums paid every month entitle me to "basic upkeep". And after those occasions, I simply pay the co-pays to keep the quiet in the family. Standing up for principle is expensive - in more ways than one. But for liberalism to work you have to be dependent on the government Quote: If we actually paid our way, we would be shopping for the most bang for the buck. As it should be. I would like to see both the insurance industry and the trial lawyers out of the medical field for everything but the most catastrophic occurences. Obama is cunning enough not to go after the trial lawyers. If you want more than catastrophic coverage you should pay more. Two of our sons required surgery(specialists for both) during the years we chose not to have insurance. We did that old tried and true route and worked out a payment plan and paid out of pocket. We paid less than our premiums would have been for a family of six Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted August 21, 2009 Members Share Posted August 21, 2009 I think that you'll find that the HMOs were around before '88. Like in the early '70s. When I first moved up to Mass in '73 I worked for the College Press at AUC and even though I had a adventist insurance policy, there was a chose of other HMOs. And personally I don't care who was in charge of the USA, dems or repubs, neither side cares for you or me, and if you think otherwise, you are very foolish, because that don't. pk Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Oplinger Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 But for liberalism to work you have to be dependent on the government Quote "As iron sharpens iron, so also does one man sharpen another" - Proverbs 27:17 "The offense of the cross is that the cross is a confession of human frailty and sin and of inability to do any good thing. To take the cross of Christ means to depend solely on Him for everything, and this is the abasement of all human pride. Men love to fancy themselves independent. But let the cross be preached, let it be made known that in man dwells no good thing and that all must be received as a gift, and straightway someone is offended." Ellet J. Waggoner, The Glad Tidings "Courage is being scared to death - and saddling up anyway" - John Wayne "The person who pays an ounce of principle for a pound of popularity gets badly cheated" - Ronald Reagan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Oplinger Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 I think that you'll find that the HMOs were around before '88. Like in the early '70s. When I first moved up to Mass in '73 I worked for the College Press at AUC and even though I had a adventist insurance policy, there was a chose of other HMOs. And personally I don't care who was in charge of the USA, dems or repubs, neither side cares for you or me, and if you think otherwise, you are very foolish, because that don't. pk Yes, they were around. We have a local one in Texas that's been around for some 50 years. They didn't get "trendy" until ol' Kennedy stood up and voiced his praise they were the cure for whatever ailed the American health care system, around '88. Preventative health maintenance was the key - every one should get on board. And the Law was passed making the HMO much easier to do business in the US - and formed the blueprint for the current Gov't proposal. I got a taste of the current proposal when my HMO opened its doors to whoever and whatever walked in. These things happened: 1) Appointment time to see my primary care doctor went from less than a week to 6 to 8 weeks; 2) Referrals to specialist became bungled, and carried an additional mandatory 6-8 weeks; 3)Last year when I required surgery to repaired a busted biceps tendon, it required not just one trip to OR, but 2, because too much time had passed for the repairs to made simply and easily. Where were the Repubs? trying to get brownie points. Who's looking out for the common person? Hmmmm....didn't Bill O'Reilly write a book about that? God is looking out for us - and we as God's children will look out for each other....but not through the worldy power of government. And that's something neither of us can regard as foolish, right? Quote "As iron sharpens iron, so also does one man sharpen another" - Proverbs 27:17 "The offense of the cross is that the cross is a confession of human frailty and sin and of inability to do any good thing. To take the cross of Christ means to depend solely on Him for everything, and this is the abasement of all human pride. Men love to fancy themselves independent. But let the cross be preached, let it be made known that in man dwells no good thing and that all must be received as a gift, and straightway someone is offended." Ellet J. Waggoner, The Glad Tidings "Courage is being scared to death - and saddling up anyway" - John Wayne "The person who pays an ounce of principle for a pound of popularity gets badly cheated" - Ronald Reagan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted August 22, 2009 Members Share Posted August 22, 2009 Absolutely Ted, can't wait for God's government and it will not be a 2 party system where neither party cares for the people at all. pk Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 Liberalism is not compassion. Liberalism is one of the most self centered and self serving ideologies there is. Someone else always has to pay and pay,if you don't you are some kind of cruel,selfish person.Not fit for people like Obama to listen to. Wonder what the liberals will do when there is no more of other people's money to take and regulate. Here's a novel idea,if you cannot provide for your children without government help,don't have them. If unforeseen events prohibit you temporarily from caring for your family there is help. But to many see it as their due and their right to demand from others. A hand up is what we should do,a hand out time and time again breeds contempt and loss of self respect. Pay your own insurance. If you don't want to do that,take the risk and responsibility as we did and many others do. Realize 8 hour workdays are not always the answer.Sometimes God forbid you might even be required to work a second job. Tough cookies if that is what it takes. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 Absolutely Ted, can't wait for God's government and it will not be a 2 party system where neither party cares for the people at all. pk This country was not founded on a political party taking care of the people. It was founded on the least amount of governmet. Defense of the country,civil laws to protect citizens from harming another or taking someone else's land. Infrastucture along with that and that is about as far as their interference was designed to go. It was not about providing me with health care.It was not about helping me pay my mortgage,or feeding our children. We have been sliding towards socialism and worse for a long time. We are about to slide over the cliff. Unfortunately Obama won't be there to stop your fall. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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