Guest Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 We had a guest speaker...younger animated pastor.. He took us to Genesis first but did an exegesis on a portion of Is 6.. Now what I wanted to share this on Townhall for is that after the sermon..I didn't react by just thinking..well it is about time!!..and just ignore him.. I talked with him and encouraged him regarding the details of the homiletics and told him about Neh 3:3 and making the bible clear and relevant and how I remembered 3 points in the sermon that he was teaching.. Humility, service and dependence on God.. He knew he only had 23 minutes for his sermon...sharp guy.. There is still hope out there yet.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cricket Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 Humility, service and dependence on God... So, these were the topics of the sermon, right? I mean, this is what the speaker wanted to get across, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony! Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 Wh... wha... What?! JimBob7 did NOT hear a NFDMTTS?! "Hold on Elizabeth!! I'm coming... it's the big one!!" - (quoting Redd Foxx, Sanford and Son 1970's TV show, in mock shock and spurious heart attack.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodema Posted January 30, 2005 Share Posted January 30, 2005 JimBob, I did not hear a NFDMTTS today either; and I was blessed thusly TWICE. I did manage to communicate somewhat to the second fellow, but it's hard when he's being beseiged by others who need/want to talk to him all at once too. Quote "After such knowledge, what forgiveness?" -- T.S. Eliot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 CW, More than that... I always listen to the intro to see what the speaker's agenda is. He also was addressing sneaky idolatry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cricket Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 JB7, Was this a topic, though? That's to what I'm referring. See, I'm still not understanding the Non-fat v. the Fat. It almost seems to me that the more Bible is used, the more fattening it is. Which, is a good thing, mind you, but I'm still struggling with the differences. Did you happen to listen to the links I sent about a month back? How would you (did you) classify them? Bear with me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Post deleted by Stan Jensen Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cricket Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Um. Did I do or say something wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Stan might be pulling a funny here..?? It is not NFDMTTS acronym that should be censored..it should be NFDMTTS that are censored... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 CW, I remember you posting a link..and I think I went there yet got sidetracked by duties at home so forgot to reply. Sorry, can you repost the link? For Nico who want the essence of a NFDMTTS. It is a one verse wonder where the speaker uses a single verse or small text as a springboard to launch a talk on one topic which they use 20 minutes or more telling stories, testimonies or illustrations to fill up the sermon time. It is based on one topic and is a theological troubleshoot related to one issue/problem. The audience usually gets the point after 2 or 3 minutes and then struggles to keep their attention on the trite message after that point. The maturity level of the message is just above the junior level...which is why most of the youth stop showing up at church. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cricket Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 JB7, This is the best description you've given of a non-fat. Now, I think I'm beginning to fully understand. Here's the link to the sermons I was talking about: Click on any that are by Pastor Coridan I'm not sure how the others preach, but Pastor Coridan has always been a truly wonderful speaker. In fact, he's soon to be on 3ABN--producing, I believe 3 hours of material per month. Anyway, he's the guy who's sermons I'd grown into Adventism with and so, for me these are the best kind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amelia Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Cool, I wish more churches would post the sabbath sermon. Thanks Christine Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Quote: Here's the link to the sermons I was talking about: Click on any that are by Pastor Coridan Is this an example of NFDMTTS [i've forgotten what this means again] ? If so, then I have been getting something like these most Sabbaths.... Jimbob, what's yer beef again? And where are you at? Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve.  George Bernard Shaw  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amelia Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 NFDMTTS = Non Fat Dry Milk Topical (something) Sermons. Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 Oh, yeah.....Non fat dry milk topical tremendous [or was it tepid] sermons.... Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve.  George Bernard Shaw  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatLakesGramma Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 typical Quote Catherine God is the strength of my heart and my portion forever. Psalm 73:26. "To be a Christian means to forgive the inexcusable, because God has forgiven the inexcusable in you." -- C. S. Lewis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 FOUND IT!! Will listen today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Amelia Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 I just KNEW you would like that smiley Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 Quote: I just KNEW you would like that smiley Thanks..and the one where the smiley is dodging tomatoes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormF Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 JimBob, is it always the one-topic troubleshoot that's the problem? I've heard sermons limit their scope pretty tightly sometimes and still be effective and engaging. Other times, I've heard sermons that were wide-ranging and peppered with Bible quotes, yet were nothing but trite fluff that went nowhere. The mostly single verse "proof" texts were pulled out of context, spun into contortions, or trivial to the point of meaningless, etc. That's what I was referring to in my post back in the far hinterlands of this thread. The reason such sermons thrive, I think, is that there are dear souls who seem to feel that as long as they've heard a lot a Bible texts this morning, it must have been a good sermon ... end of discussion for them. That, and for the preacher as well as the congregant, no-think is (supposedly) adequate in this case. For me, when it comes to "proof" texts, abundance does not equal excellence. By the way, in case someone is misunderstanding me in the larger context, thinking with the heart as well as the head is equally appropriate in sermon-making and hearing. It doesn't have to be a cerebral-only proposition. It's better, in fact, if it's not. Regards, Norm Quote Debile fundamentum, fallit opus. - "Where there is a weak foundation, the work falls." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveM1936 Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 So you live in the St. Louis area also. I live in Illinois, a few miles from the bridge. I have heard the pastor several times and agree completely with you. AT present I attend the Oakhill Church. Your friend, Dave M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 Norm, Thanks for the input. I know what you mean about the peppered texts... Usually even this sermon type is topic related... What should happen is for the speaker to make the message clear and relevant...not a religious ..speaking in theological tongues. A word that is used these days is "Unpack" scripture...this refers to making sense of the passage so as to know how to personally apply scripture in one's life. As long a pastors approach the weekly message from the idea theme..there will be lame, pathetic, NFDMTTS. I go back to the religious dope syndrome... If listeners are there for that dope then the supply will be there. My evaluation is that it is just a pathetic state of affairs. Reviewing again...I am not against an occassional inpiring, enthusiastic, informative scripture based topical sermon... IT IS THE CONSTANT APPROACH OF WEEKLY USING THEM THAT DUMBS DOWN THE GROUP. And I would welcome any opportunity to get in the face of any ministerial director who sees it otherwise. Also..just so that any reader understands how serious I am...I did not post the TOPICAL SERMONS-A CURSE IN THE CHURCH as a hyperbole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 There is another way to campaign here.. Instead of the homiletic teachers training the ministerial students to pick a topic... wouldn't it be nice if they told them to PICK A BIBLE CHAPTER? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cricket Posted March 6, 2005 Share Posted March 6, 2005 Dave, It's great to know that Pastor Coridan's messages "get around"! Have you been in the area long? Chrys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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