bonnie Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 What Are Liberals’ Broken Promises on Health Care Reform? 10/12/2009 1) There will be transparency in the law-making process. For the past month, the Senate Finance Committee has been debating health care. But, much to the surprise of many Americans, they haven’t been debating an actual bill. They have been debating and amending a 262-page description of health care reform. It’s essentially a summary of what liberals want the bill to look like, and no member of the Committee, or the public, has seen actual legislation. The legislation will likely not be available until the bill is debated on the floor. 2) The bill won't add a dime to the deficit. Since the Senate bill is yet to be written, there are no official cost estimates. However, initial estimates of a description of the bill (which is what the Finance Committee has been debating) by the Congressional Budget Office indicate the gross cost will be $829 billion. Independent analysis by The Lewin Group, a highly respected health care policy and management consulting firm, expects the House bill to run a $39 billion deficit in the first decade, and a $1 trillion deficit in the second decade. 3) If you like the coverage you have you can keep it. Liberals in Congress continue to demand the inclusion of a public plan, a new government run health plan to “compete” against private health insurance plans. The Lewin Group calculated the impact the House bill’s public plan would have on existing health insurance coverage. It found with a public plan: * 56 percent of Americans with employer-based coverage would lose their current coverage with the addition of a public plan. * Of the estimated 172.5 million people with private health insurance, there would be a decline of 83.4 million people with private coverage. * 34 percent of the uninsured in America would still lack coverage. 4) The bill won't cut benefits for seniors. It is impossible to cut payments to Medicare Advantage plans without cutting benefits. The Congressional Budget Office director testified that Medicare benefits will be cut, meaning seniors' private options for their health care needs are at risk. 5) The bill won't raise taxes on those earning less than $250,000. Provisions in the House and Senate bill would lead to a tax increase regardless of income. In fact, of the folks hit by the House’s plans steep tax hikes, more than half fall in the bottom 60 percent of the income scale. Small businesses and low-income workers would be especially hit. In the Senate Finance Committee, amendments were offered that would have protected those below $250,000, and each one failed. 6) It will save American families $2500 a year. There has been no analysis to show that these bills would deliver these promised savings. In fact, mandates in the current bills would have the opposite effect, forcing many individuals to pay more money out-of-pocket, and compelling businesses to reduce wages, salaries, and job opportunities. 7) The government plan won't cover abortions or illegal immigrants. Amendments were offered in the House and Senate Committee mark-ups to clarify that abortion services would not be included and to ensure proper identification of citizenship were used in determining eligibility. Each of these amendments failed. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 7) The government plan won't cover abortions or illegal immigrants. Amendments were offered in the House and Senate Committee mark-ups to clarify that abortion services would not be included and to ensure proper identification of citizenship were used in determining eligibility. Each of these amendments failed. WHAT?! FAILED! So that means us tax payers are going to be paying for abortions after all huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted November 9, 2009 Author Share Posted November 9, 2009 Originally Posted By: bonnie 7) The government plan won't cover abortions or illegal immigrants. Amendments were offered in the House and Senate Committee mark-ups to clarify that abortion services would not be included and to ensure proper identification of citizenship were used in determining eligibility. Each of these amendments failed. WHAT?! FAILED! So that means us tax payers are going to be paying for abortions after all huh? Oh we will pay.That is something you don't have to ask. Supposedly it was taken out of the bill "wink wink". It is already being reported the honest dems believe paying for abortion will be back in the bill. The blue dogs now should be known as "lapdogs" The abortion issue was a fraud.It was taken out temporarily so the lapdogs could vote and hopefully not face the wrath of voters. It has been said by more than one dem it will be back in before final bill. People really deserve what they are going to get. They are to lazy and many to ignorant to do their own checking and research. Bend the knee to the "Annointed One" and blindly follow. Easier that way,Obama will take care of them Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted November 9, 2009 Author Share Posted November 9, 2009 Don't fret tho.They are taking 400,000,000.00 from medicare that will cover the funding of abortions when that clause back in. It shouldn't have been in there at all. Old Honest Abe in the white house promised and very forcibly said it was not paying for abortion Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 I guess all that happiness of Shane's that it was taken out will be short lived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted November 10, 2009 Author Share Posted November 10, 2009 I guess all that happiness of Shane's that it was taken out will be short lived. No,don't think so. It will just provide another source of victims. Those that have put their faith and their personal responsibility in the hands of Obama will find reasons to be happy no matter what takes place. Government made a mess out of Cash for Clunkers,it has made a mess with the first time home buyers credit,medicare is bankrupt and Obama is waiting for a few years to end that. We see a little problem with the muslim shooter and everyone seemed paralyzed as to what needed to be done. Let's turn over our health care to these same buffoons. The states that have state health care are broke. It is not paying for it self. Imagine that. But many do seem to like that warm fuzzy feeling as Obama promises to take care of us. Every private economist or firm that has gone over Pelosi's insanity has said that private policy premiums will increase to double or triple what is being paid now. When all has to be charged the same rate and in spite of pre-existing conditions private insurance will cease to exist. Why carry insurance,wait till something goes terribly wrong. Obama has stated he wants single payer government insurance.It may take a few years but we will get there. Only those that want to live under a socialist administration think all this is wonderful Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Yep, Level playing field and all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted November 10, 2009 Author Share Posted November 10, 2009 Yep, Level playing field and all. It isn't leveling the playing field upward,it is dragging all downward. Those that won't work to better their situation,those that want to remain victims no matter how low they must stay as long as there is a hand out and no responsibility. A hand out should be stopped.Those in a crisis need a hand up,not life long charity. There are so many that cannot help themselves that do not get help or help is limited because of the parasites that make a career out of living off the taxpayer. If someone is hungry I will feed them no matter why they are hungry. I probably would feed them a second time,but the third time I think I might want to know what they have done to help themselves. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 I seriously doubt the abortion clause will be put back in. That is radical, right-wing Limbaugh talk. I am just elated that finally we are going to have a level playing field. I am so tired of competing against companies that don't provide health insurance for their employees. This isn't just a victory for the little guy. This is a victory for companies that want to treat their employees right. Praise God for such wonderful legislation. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 It's a victory for all communists. Level playing field = Communism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted November 10, 2009 Author Share Posted November 10, 2009 Quote: I seriously doubt the abortion clause will be put back in. That is radical, right-wing Limbaugh talk. You need a new crystal ball. I was listening to the sweet little democrat say she was confident that in the end abortions would be paid for. Quote: I am just elated that finally we are going to have a level playing field. I am so tired of competing against companies that don't provide health insurance for their employees. This isn't just a victory for the little guy. This is a victory for companies that want to treat their employees right.Praise God for such wonderful legislation. It will be level alright. This may work for some one of your mindset but it doesn't work well for others. Those that do not require big daddy to make it all better don't want to be brought down to make you happy. I am a little skeptical on your complaining about not having a level playing field. It doesn't matter which private economist/company runs the numbers they all say the same thing. The employer's will be leveled alright.First to go will be the enormous cost of insurance. Still in all of this the thought that those that want to be cared for will be at the mercy of government run care Are you sure you just aren't tired of personal responsibility? Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 [yawn] such right-wing rhetoric... The price of insurance will come down because of the mandates. As more people become insured, health-care costs will come down because health-care providers will not have to cover the uninsured. Don't worry. Limbaugh isn't right about everything. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 He has been so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted November 10, 2009 Author Share Posted November 10, 2009 Quote: Shane[yawn] such right-wing rhetoric... The price of insurance will come down because of the mandates. As more people become insured, health-care costs will come down because health-care providers will not have to cover the uninsured. Don't worry. Limbaugh isn't right about everything. Unless he is speaking in soprano it was not Rush. No,the insurance price will not come down. Many economists, those with a lot more knowledge than you say quite differently. Think I will stick with them. Even Obama and his CBO office say you are wrong. There will be millions according to them uninsured and the number will rise. But be happy in your socialist haze. It has to come and worse and we know the end. I am not to into progressive adventism Moderator's note: Sorry I messed up here. I clicked on the edit button instead of the reply button. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Yeah Shane, be happy in your socialist haze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Quote: Unless he is speaking in soprano it was not Rush. I listened to Rush today. Denying it is futile. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Level playing field = Communism LOL Teddy Roosevelt must have been a communist then. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted November 10, 2009 Members Share Posted November 10, 2009 Oh no wasn't he Republican? Now we're stepping on sacred ground. pk Quote phkrause Obstinacy is a barrier to all improvement. - ChL 60 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Mandating car insurance brought the price of car insurance down. I know because Obama told me. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 What else did obama tell you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted November 10, 2009 Author Share Posted November 10, 2009 Quote: Unless he is speaking in soprano it was not Rush. I listened to Rush today. Denying it is futile. I did not listen Because you listened to Rush doesn't mean everyone else does at the same time. I suppose I could go to the website and see if he has said same but not at the moment. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 What else did obama tell you? Something about Michelle and getting the White House ready for Christmas. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
there buster Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Quote: I know because Obama told me OK. Been smoking Hopium. There's a reason they call it dope. Quote “the slovenliness of our language makes it easier to have foolish thoughts.” George Orwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Quote: I know because Obama told me OK. Been smoking Hopium. There's a reason they call it dope. Amen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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