Guest Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Any non apathetic, non intimidated, brave souls out there? How about your reaction or input. Am I supposed to just accept this as part of the SDA status quo? Am I supposed to just let this slide without any comment? In a 75 minute long worship service...that has 1. announcements 2. an opening HYMN 3. scripture reading 4. children's story 5. children taking their offering 6. worship service prayer 7. a regular offering 8. 2 praise songs 9. ordinance of humility 10. the communion ceremony with bread and juice and 2 prayers that go with it 11. closing hymn Is it unrealistic to expect a message from GOD'S WORD?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 HUH? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Amelia Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Jimbob, Im always thinking "HUH?" at some of the things you post. ROFL Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Say again?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amelia Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Honestly, 75 mins is a long time to keep todays christians in the pew. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/seenoevil.gif" alt="" /> Dont you know they have better things to do?(tic) Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amelia Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Im begining to think you need your own "Sabbath Rant" forum. Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 I went to my Baptist pastor friend's church this morning. He leads a church that has 800 ATTENDING members. Today they had communion too...and a 75 minute service... He took 30 minutes to preach..passed out bread and juice, had prayer, scripture reading, praise songs, took an offering... YA KNOW WHAT ELSE?????? HE KNOWS I AM SDA AND I TOLD HIM THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE A SERMON YESTERDAY.. he asked why.. I TOLD HIM ABOUT THE STUFF THAT TOOK UP THE WORSHIP SERVICE TIME AS POSTED ABOVE AND HE MENTIONED... NO TIME FOR GOD'S WORD..IN A DISAPPOINTED TONE. --------------------------- BTW...SDA'S are PEOPLE OF THE BOOK... yeah right... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 In case you are reading this... just wanted to let all of you of God remnant's people out there know that a Priest of Baal, a PAGAN SUNDAY pastor taught an expository, exegetical, multitopic message on Ephesians 6 with enthusiasm....in the same service that he had communion and .....fed his flock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Oh this ought to be just dandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Somebody better get in a prayer circle ASAP, STAT, pronto... I have my targeting radar on... about to launch a spiritual FOX 2..this thread is already FOX 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Quick ..run to your nearest pharmacy and see if they have an industrial strength CHILL PILL ..that weighs 5 pounds..that might calm me down for 5 minutes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Guess what else...insensitve complacent apathetic indifferent readers...out there... We had 2 visitors to the church and one said, right in my sabbath school class that there wasn't much to the worship service...an unsolicited remark... I hadn't even mentioned about the no sermon issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 I guess I am just overreacting...I should be more considerate and remember this is SUPERBOWL WEEKEND AND WE SHOULD EXPECT A SPIRITUAL LOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michelle Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Yeah, well just TRY removing any of the superfluous underpinnings and see how people react! What? No opening praise music? No hymn? No offering with doxology sung at funereal speed? No announcements? (come on, folks, they're PRINTED IN THE BULLETIN!!!!!!) Come on, JB, you're not truly suggesting that we do away with people's pet programs? Sheesh! (TIC) M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Thank you for the reply... I mentioned to someone in the SS class ...how long ago was it that churches started this children gathering the offering...thing.... Guess what...???? HE REPLIED THAT AT HIS CHURCH THE KID'S OFFERINGS AMOUNT TO $37K ANNUALLY... WOW!!!!!! HEY GUESS WHAT??? CUT OUT THE SERMON AND JUST LET THE KIDS COLLECT OFFERING FOR 20 TO 30 MORE MINUTES...JUST THINK OF ALL OF THE PROGRAMS WE COULD SUPPORT.... FORGET GOD'S WORD....IT IS JUST A TRITE DEAD JOKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodema Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Quote: Any non apathetic, non intimidated, brave souls out there? How about your reaction or input. Am I supposed to just accept this as part of the SDA status quo? Am I supposed to just let this slide without any comment? In a 75 minute long worship service...that has 1. announcements 2. an opening HYMN 3. scripture reading 4. children's story 5. children taking their offering 6. worship service prayer 7. a regular offering 8. 2 praise songs 9. ordinance of humility 10. the communion ceremony with bread and juice and 2 prayers that go with it 11. closing hymn Is it unrealistic to expect a message from GOD'S WORD?? No, it is not unrealistic whatsoever. What may be unrealistic is expecting the church to stop trying to please everyone at once and get it accomplished. Showpiece music, for example, can be offered during the passing out of the (good grief what do I call it? Crackers & grape juice? Bread & wine? Sacraments? It ain't no cakes of light!!!) -- stuff -- for one thing. Hymns can be sung by small groups during the ord. of humility, for another. A short, power-packed sermonette at the very least can be delivered before the ordinance. Children's offering can be moved and changed -- have children flank the doors with baskets so those going out to wash feet can place offering in the baskets -- bingo, there's your children's offering. Or do that for the regular offering with deacons standing to collect and let the children do theirs as usual, whatever works. But something can shorten these parts drastically. I personally yearn for what it felt like when I first became an SDA. You know, when people WANTED to be in church, WANTED more time to pray together, WANTED to spend more time in sacred fellowship with each other and God. Remember that? Ahhhhh ... made me long for heaven, was a foretaste thereof ... now even campmeeting is half asleep. Quote "After such knowledge, what forgiveness?" -- T.S. Eliot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Quote: No offering with doxology sung at funereal speed ? FYI.for readers ..that is slower than impulse power Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 The SS lesson last week was on the PASSION week... Jesus had passion... THE CHURCH LACKS IT BIG TIME... TRICKLE DOWN IMMORALITY CRIME AND CLERGY CONNECTION Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 For any gainsayers out there.... Some denominations/churches moved the pulpit to the side of the platform.... I was taught by a General Conference Ministerial Director that we keep the pulpit in the center to demonstrate that the teaching of GOD'S WORD is CENTRAL to the worship service.. HELLO..HELLO...TV STILL ON??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 In case you are not clearly tuned into this RANT..... GUESS WHAT IS WORSE THAN A NFDMTTS?????? NO SERMON AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodema Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Quote: WOW!!!!!! HEY GUESS WHAT??? .... FORGET GOD'S WORD....IT IS JUST A TRITE DEAD JOKE Hey JB, I understand you're worked up but that last comment ... I know you meant it as reflecting what you see as others' attitude but it cuts a little too close to insulting God's word for me. I may have my own lax areas spiritually -- and I'll be the first to admit it -- but no way is God's word a trite dead joke to me. (I know you were not aiming that at me personally, I'm just saying how I feel.) Also, I don't believe it should ever be called that, not even sarcastically or in bitter jest. Those are idle words. Let's instead lift UP God's Word and MAGNIFY it -- TOGETHER -- OK Brother? [:"blue"] 12 For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do. [/] --Hebrews 4:12-13 Quote "After such knowledge, what forgiveness?" -- T.S. Eliot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Hey, Heads up readers... In case I happen to visit your church when a communion service or all music service ZEROS out the sermon... wanted you to keep some numbers in mind... 9, 1, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Nico, Well I appreciate your sensitivity... and you should know with my 2000+ posts here that the word is very significant to me... In SS class...we almost always read scripture before any comments are made by any in the class... we read 20 to 90 verses in class and share much more SCRIPTURE during the class instead of it being a bunch of nothing but I think this and I think that..and crowd out the scripture by this and that.. Before you think that I am too far out of line...remember Jer 17:9 and Rom 8:7.....and your own word... CHURCHIANITY... consider that post a MENNEN slap post..to the complacent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cricket Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 I have to admit that I haven't been to a communion service since the time I've been baptised. Not because I've been missing out on church, but because I've been busy with the children during these times. Isn't the communion service sermon enough? Why do you feel the spoken word is always a necessary part of worship? Worship can be an experience, you know. It doesn't have to always be a time of learning. On the Sabbath yesterday, my children and I didn't even attend the regular church services. Instead, we watched *gasp* a Veggie Tales video. Then, we searched the Bible for 16 animals that God had created. After that, we read how they were used in the messages that God has for us. For the experience portion of our worship, we took a trek to the zoo. There, we got to see God's creation up close and personal. We paused at each of the 16 animals we read about and thanked God for giving us these animals as a lesson to each of us. We experienced time with God. We did not just sit around listening to someone else tell us what God's word says. Experience God. That's what He wants. Go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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