Global Warming - science doesn't add up

[BSW]

Check this out.

http://www.cfact.tv/2009/12/07/lord-monc...ate-conference/

[Woody]

Yes. I agree. It is one of the biggest science scams of all times. And most people are now catching on to it.

[Guest]

A great big fat SCAM!!

[Guest]

Check this out.

http://www.cfact.tv/2009/12/07/lord-monc...ate-conference/

Great video!

[Ted Oplinger]

I've been keeping up on the "Climate-gate" events as they have been unfolding.

A very, very bad thing for science to be hijacked the way climate science has been.

Here's a tidbit showing a little more of what has been going on behind closed doors:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/a_climatology_conspiracy.html

The more it unfolds, the greater the fraud extends.

[BSW]

I love smart people. Especially ethical ones.

[Fausto]

Yes. I agree. It is one of the biggest science scams of all times. And most people are now catching on to it.

I've recently heard the one-world conspiracy perpetrators needed 4 major crisis!

1 - A computer crisis which lead to the worlds computers being controlled by one source...Y2K...did anything crash? NO! So what happened? Big Brother...that is what happened!

2 - An environmental crisis...Global warming ring a bell? certainly is taking momentum now, many Companies are shutting down due to their "carbon emissions"...come on now, I am a scientist and sincerely believe we need to keep the earth clean...but where do we draw the line?

3 - A political crisis...9/11...certainly the greatest political since WWII...just the right one at the right time! Chaos ab ordo

4 - And last but not least...an economical crisis, well, we right in the middle of it now, aren't we?

What is next? ACCORDING TO WHAT WE BELIEVE...SUNDAY LAW!

Ain't going to be that long, I believe.

[phkrause]

Originally Posted By: Redwood

Yes. I agree. It is one of the biggest science scams of all times. And most people are now catching on to it.

I've recently heard the one-world conspiracy perpetrators needed 4 major crisis!

1 - A computer crisis which lead to the worlds computers being controlled by one source...Y2K...did anything crash? NO! So what happened? Big Brother...that is what happened!

2 - An environmental crisis...Global warming ring a bell? certainly is taking momentum now, many Companies are shutting down due to their "carbon emissions"...come on now, I am a scientist and sincerely believe we need to keep the earth clean...but where do we draw the line?

3 - A political crisis...9/11...certainly the greatest political since WWII...just the right one at the right time! Chaos ab ordo

4 - And last but not least...an economical crisis, well, we right in the middle of it now, aren't we?

What is next? ACCORDING TO WHAT WE BELIEVE...SUNDAY LAW!

Ain't going to be that long, I believe.

Interesting thoughts Fausto, they make a lot of sense.

pk

[Guest]

BMW

yes it was a good video

dgrimm60

dgrimm, it's BSW, not BMW......

[Woody]

Well ... speaking of BMWs ...

ALGOR is buying his BMWs off of a 'convienent lie'.

[Bravus]

Have fun on the outer orbit, boys. When you come back within cooeee of reality, we'll chat.

[Woody]

I prefer science over fantasy.

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

Here's a picture from NASA showing what the ice cap was in 1979 vs. now.

The polar ice cap as a whole is shrinking. Images from NASA satellites show that the area of permanent ice cover is contracting at a rate of 9 percent each decade. If this trend continues, summers in the Arctic could become ice-free by the end of the century.

source

[karl]

Dr. Leonard Weinstin (former NASA Senior Research Scientist) Shows How GW Is Not A Problem

Dr. Leonard Weinstein worked 45 years at the NASA Langley Research Center, finishing his career there as a Senior Research Scientist. Dr. Weinstein is presently a Senior Research Fellow at the National Institute of Aerospace. He is now a critic of the anthropogenic theory of global warming. His analysis shows that man has contributed less than 0.30C of warming and by the year 2100 may contribute less than 0.40C additional warming. This is much less than what the United Nations IPCC has predicted and of course a small fraction of what alarmists such as Al Gore and James Hansen have predicted.

His work is compelling and is yet one more example of a prominent scientist that disagrees with the anthropogenic theory of global warming.

“Preparing for the possibility of an impending ice age along with the possible consequences of a reduction in Earth’s magnetic field are real concerns. Concern with relatively small effects of possible anthropogenic caused global warming is a misplaced distraction, and will probably lead to the public losing confidence in scientists, and could weaken the support needed when real problems occur.”

“Decreasing availability of oil and anthropogenic pollution (not greenhouse gasses) are real issues. Acid rain, smog, and dirty water sources do need to be fixed. The problems associated with high fuel prices, and dependence on sources of energy from possibly less than friendly foreign countries are critical. While we can’t solve the problems with a single magic bullet, more nuclear power plants, along with wind and Solar power, could fill much of the gap. There are solutions, but first we have to identify the correct problems.”

[karl]

Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?

Sea ice at Antarctica is up over 43% since 1980 and we hear nothing in the news, yet Arctic ice is down less than 7% and they're all over it! We've been waiting for the main stream media to pick up on the increase of Antarctic ice but so far they're been totally absent.

Guess its doesn't fit the plan.

The media sure haven't missed a chance to point out the relatively small loss of ice at the arctic. Did did it ever occur to them that perhaps there is a natural process at work that has shifted ice growth from one pole to the other? Do they not want to admit that there are things man doesn't yet understand about how this planet works?

Remember that some of the “models” predicted increased antarctic ice, but they predicted increased “interior ice” due to increased snow fall. None of the models predicted increased sea ice around the antarctic. Yet that is what we have, and not just a little increase but a 43% increase since 1980!. This is highly significant yet hardly anyone in the main stream media is talking about it.

Sea ice is much different than interior ice. Some of the models predicted increased ice over the interior of antarctic. If you've ever lived in the extreme cold temperature regions you already understand this. When it gets very cold the air become drier and it snows less, as the temperature warms towards freezing it actually snows more. Since the antarctic rarely even gets close to freezing its understandable that warming would cause more snow fall. Over time compacted snow would lead to more ice. But that is not what is happening here. We're seeing a dramatic increase in “sea ice”, this ice is over the ocean. Sea ice is caused by colder temperatures, not by increased snow fall. An increase of 43% is highly significant, but we hear nothing from either the MSM or the scientific community. Especially compared to the out 6%-7% decrease at the arctic (this isn't year over year, this is a 6% decline since 1980!).

Antarctic Sea Ice for March

2009 5.0 million sq km

1997 3.8 million sq km

1980 3.5 million sq km

This is a massive increase since 1980. This continues a long trend that has been noted here for several months..

Interior ice is also increasing but not due to warming as the models have predicted. According to NOAA GISS data winter temperatures in the antarctic have actually fallen by 1°F since 1957, with the coldest year being 2004. All the while global CO2 levels have gone up and the main stream media has been reporting near catastrophic warming conditions. They regularly show Antarctic sea ice shelves breaking apart, which is an entirely normal process (though they never tell you that part). The main stream media and certain segments of the scientific community truly must have no shame.

If you have doubts about the increase in ice you can run the numbers yourself at the National Snow and Ice Data Center's website (part of the University of Colorado and funded by the National Science Foundation).

And if you want to read something really amusing take a gander at Michael Asher Blog about climate modelers trying to explain antarctic warming.... agh .. cooling....agh... warming it's delightful.

[phkrause]

Antarctic Sea Ice Up Over 43% Since 1980, Where Is The Media?

Sea ice at Antarctica is up over 43% since 1980 and we hear nothing in the news, yet Arctic ice is down less than 7% and they're all over it! We've been waiting for the main stream media to pick up on the increase of Antarctic ice but so far they're been totally absent.

Guess its doesn't fit the plan.

The media sure haven't missed a chance to point out the relatively small loss of ice at the arctic. Did did it ever occur to them that perhaps there is a natural process at work that has shifted ice growth from one pole to the other? Do they not want to admit that there are things man doesn't yet understand about how this planet works?

Remember that some of the “models” predicted increased antarctic ice, but they predicted increased “interior ice” due to increased snow fall. None of the models predicted increased sea ice around the antarctic. Yet that is what we have, and not just a little increase but a 43% increase since 1980!. This is highly significant yet hardly anyone in the main stream media is talking about it.

Sea ice is much different than interior ice. Some of the models predicted increased ice over the interior of antarctic. If you've ever lived in the extreme cold temperature regions you already understand this. When it gets very cold the air become drier and it snows less, as the temperature warms towards freezing it actually snows more. Since the antarctic rarely even gets close to freezing its understandable that warming would cause more snow fall. Over time compacted snow would lead to more ice. But that is not what is happening here. We're seeing a dramatic increase in “sea ice”, this ice is over the ocean. Sea ice is caused by colder temperatures, not by increased snow fall. An increase of 43% is highly significant, but we hear nothing from either the MSM or the scientific community. Especially compared to the out 6%-7% decrease at the arctic (this isn't year over year, this is a 6% decline since 1980!).

Antarctic Sea Ice for March

2009 5.0 million sq km

1997 3.8 million sq km

1980 3.5 million sq km

This is a massive increase since 1980. This continues a long trend that has been noted here for several months..

Interior ice is also increasing but not due to warming as the models have predicted. According to NOAA GISS data winter temperatures in the antarctic have actually fallen by 1°F since 1957, with the coldest year being 2004. All the while global CO2 levels have gone up and the main stream media has been reporting near catastrophic warming conditions. They regularly show Antarctic sea ice shelves breaking apart, which is an entirely normal process (though they never tell you that part). The main stream media and certain segments of the scientific community truly must have no shame.

If you have doubts about the increase in ice you can run the numbers yourself at the National Snow and Ice Data Center's website (part of the University of Colorado and funded by the National Science Foundation).

And if you want to read something really amusing take a gander at Michael Asher Blog about climate modelers trying to explain antarctic warming.... agh .. cooling....agh... warming it's delightful.

Like I've mentioned on a few occasions. The problem is people are either fanatical or just don't care one way or the other. We know the world is getting older. And we have abused it and this has taken its toll. We just shouldn't get carried away to extreme's either way. Just do our part in making sure we are not the problem but are willing to help correct the problem.

pk

[Gerr]

Just tagging on.

No global warming? Tell that to Pacific and Seychelles islanders whose homes are being invaded by rising waters from polar ice melt. Tell that to people who are witnessing the disappearing or receding glaciers. Thirty-five years ago we took a vacation to Banff, Canada. We saw glaciers where the foot of the ice used to be hundreds of feet farther down than where they were then. I doubt that the edge of the ice have come farther down. Tell that to the sea animals that now have to go farther north {in the northern hemisphere) to forage for food than they did in times past because of rising sea temperatures. The dairy, egg, cattle, drug, wine, and other industries have their own "scientists" to put propaganda how good or healthy their products are even though there's a large body of scientific evidence to the contrary. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if business and industry have their own "scientists" contradicting the large body of evidence supporting global warming.

[phkrause]

GERRY

WELL I guess that both sides have some truth to it

dgrimm60

Absolutely dgrimm. Ours is not to pannick and get fanatical either way. Like Gerry says to can't denigh (sp) global warming but we don't need to get bent out of shape if people want to accept that its happening.

pk

[Kyran]

No global warming?

[olger]

a large pile of Global Warming behind Olger's shop..

[bonnie]

a large pile of Global Warming behind Olger's shop..

Spoke to a friend of mine in Florida today. Iguana's are falling out of the trees because of the cold.

They cannot handle Gore's global warming it seems

[Gerr]

Ships are now able to ply Arctic waters where they have never been able to do so in the past. Huge chunks of ice, one even the size of Rhode Is are breaking off the Antartic ice shelf. No global warming?

[bonnie]

Ships are now able to ply Arctic waters where they have never been able to do so in the past. Huge chunks of ice, one even the size of Rhode Is are breaking off the Antartic ice shelf. No global warming?

I think there are climate changes that naturally occur.Always have been. Not sure where the global warming is occurring if you look at a weather map throughout the US and other countries.

When lies have to be told as has been done to promote a agenda as Gore and now scientists have been shown to be guilty of they have to be a little shy of facts

[Dr. Shane]

Here's a picture from NASA showing what the ice cap was in 1979 vs. now.

The polar ice cap as a whole is shrinking. Images from NASA satellites show that the area of permanent ice cover is contracting at a rate of 9 percent each decade. If this trend continues, summers in the Arctic could become ice-free by the end of the century.

source

This is really not good news for children all over the world. No north pole means no Santa which means no Christmas. Unless the UN could somehow relocate Santa to the south pole.

[karl]

Antarctic sea ice continues to expand.

Ice totals for November 2009 are significantly higher (forty percent or more) than 1979 when measurements began - more than enough to compensate for a 6% loss in the arctic. The antarctic has far more ice than the arctic and fluctuations down there are far more significant. The mainstream media tries to scare us into believing that Antarctica is melting, when in fact it is gaining ice. Lots of it. The environmentalist media want to discuss the relatively small areas of the Western Antarctic Peninsula that are melting due to changes in ocean currents.

According to NOAA GISS data, winter temperatures in the antarctic have actually fallen by 1°F since 1957, with the coldest year being 2004. All the while global CO2 levels have gone up and the mainstream media has hysterically been reporting "catastrophic" warming conditions.

As I am writing this, it is 10 degrees F outside. Florida is in danger of losing its citrus crop to frigid temperatures. Bismark, ND was minus fifty with the wind chill two nights ago.

Pretty tough to sell global warming in conditions like these. I think it is God laughing at those who are trying their hardest to sell this brand of environmentalism in hopes of marching ever closer to a one-world government.