Global Warming - science doesn't add up

[Dr. Shane]

I don't know. I am still worried about Santa.

[karl]

I don't know. I am still worried about Santa.

Maybe he can learn to ride in the sleigh upside down. He could go head-first down the chimney. Might save time.

[doug yowell]

Yes. I agree. It is one of the biggest science scams of all times. And most people are now catching on to it.

Unless they're Democrats.

[phkrause]

Originally Posted By: Redwood

Yes. I agree. It is one of the biggest science scams of all times. And most people are now catching on to it.

Unless they're Democrats.

Wow, why don't we just include all those that you dislike?

pk

[doug yowell]

Originally Posted By: Shane

I don't know. I am still worried about Santa.

Maybe he can learn to ride in the sleigh upside down. He could go head-first down the chimney. Might save time.

He'd better hurry, too. They're about to ban the construction of real fireplaces in California.Too much contribution to global warming!!(Wait,ya mean Santa doesn't already go down head first?)

[karl]

Originally Posted By: karl

Maybe he can learn to ride in the sleigh upside down. He could go head-first down the chimney. Might save time.

He'd better hurry, too. They're about to ban the construction of real fireplaces in California.Too much contribution to global warming!!(Wait,ya mean Santa doesn't already go down head first?)

Miami had the lowest temperature in 80 years last night - 37 degrees F. Because there are so many older people with common sense living there, they do not fear global warming. Instead, they are worried about cooling. Imagine that!

[phkrause]

Karl you meant 37 degrees not -37 degrees right?

pk

[karl]

Karl you meant 37 degrees not -37 degrees right?

pk

Yes - sorry - the dash was a punctuation mark like those two around "sorry" this sentence.

[phkrause]

Originally Posted By: pkrause

Karl you meant 37 degrees not -37 degrees right?

pk

Yes - sorry - the dash was a punctuation mark like those two around "sorry" this sentence.

I figured just wanted to be sure.

pk

[karl]

1/6/2009

In his Epiphany Day homily, the Pope called for action on global warming and pollution.

Pope Benedict XVI used his Epiphany Day homily to encourage the world's Catholics to tackle global warming in order to prevent "poisons and pollution" from harming present and future generations, according to the Associated Press account.

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

1/6/2009

In his Epiphany Day homily, the Pope called for action on global warming and pollution.

Pope Benedict XVI used his Epiphany Day homily to encourage the world's Catholics to tackle global warming in order to prevent "poisons and pollution" from harming present and future generations, according to the Associated Press account.

well, he had to talk about *something*..., but what do I know...my opinion is worthless on the forum

[karl]

Originally Posted By: karl

1/6/2009

In his Epiphany Day homily, the Pope called for action on global warming and pollution.

Pope Benedict XVI used his Epiphany Day homily to encourage the world's Catholics to tackle global warming in order to prevent "poisons and pollution" from harming present and future generations, according to the Associated Press account.

well, he had to talk about *something*..., but what do I know...my opinion is worthless on the forum

Are people putting down your opinion of GW? Not me. Have at it. Nobody can prove anything one way or the other anyhow. And we all know that, ultimately at least, global warming will be a fact. "And the elements shall melt with fervent heat."

[bonnie]

Quote:

Are people putting down your opinion of GW? Not me. Have at it. Nobody can prove anything one way or the other anyhow. And we all know that, ultimately at least, global warming will be a fact. "And the elements shall melt with fervent heat."

Not true,I have become a believer in global warming.I can prove it. Went outside today and it was a balmy tropical 22 degrees above zero. Have not seen this for a while

[Bravus]

Makes me laugh bitterly (between the weeping) how *proud* people are of their ignorance of the simple distinction between climate and weather.

(bonnie, although this response is after a post of yours, it is a general reaction to the thread and not a direct reply to your post)

[bonnie]

Makes me laugh bitterly (between the weeping) how *proud* people are of their ignorance of the simple distinction between climate and weather.

(bonnie, although this response is after a post of yours, it is a general reaction to the thread and not a direct reply to your post)

Not sure what you call the almost world wide cold.Florida is only 15 degrees warmer than MN and we are known for our cold winter weather. Maybe we are speaking of two different issues as I believe the scientific community now prefers climate change to global warming as that is sounding rather silly right now

I have never thought or believed man has influenced weather patterns because of green house gas.

The lies and idiocy of Al Gore and the lies and the manipulation of scientists wishing to prove their claims by lies cements that belief even more.

The truth of a cause or belief does not have to be enhanced by lies and manipulation. When it is it shows it for what it is.

[olger]

Makes me laugh bitterly (between the weeping) how *proud* people are of their ignorance of the simple distinction between climate and weather.

(bonnie, although this response is after a post of yours, it is a general reaction to the thread and not a direct reply to your post)

Newsflash! Bravus confesses bitterness and emotionalism over Global Warming (ANN).

love it,

oG

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

oG = passive aggressive, but my opinion doesn't count on this forum

[karl]

The lies and idiocy of Al Gore and the lies and the manipulation of scientists wishing to prove their claims by lies cements that belief even more.

The truth of a cause or belief does not have to be enhanced by lies and manipulation. When it is it shows it for what it is.

You have no idea what an incredible tool the environment has become to allow politicians to manipulate the citizenry. From UN Heritage sites, mud puddle (er um wetlands) protection, to protection of the snail darter, and various newts and rats, our rights are heading out the window. Environmentalism may very well be the excuse that Sunday laws are brought back under. We have the Pope now pushing Global legislation under this banner.

If this doesn't make us both nervous and a bit cynical, we are totally lacking in the suspicion of government our founding fathers wanted us to have.

[bonnie]

January 11, 2010

Mother Nature's Sucker-Punch

By Vasko Kohlmayer

It could not be more ironic that all the efforts of the world's sophisticates to build Obama up have been brought to naught by Mother Nature, who exposed him for the chump he is. For only a chump could advocate economic suicide to stop global warming while the earth is about to enter a historic arctic snap.

Obama tried this in Copenhagen, where he feverishly pressured the assembled dignitaries to adopt measures that would drive their economies into the ground. Not surprisingly, they said, "thanks, but no thanks." They apparently did not think it was such a good idea to drag their people back into the Stone Age for the sake of a scam. On the other hand, they expressed no objections should Obama try this at home in America.

The arctic gust should blast away whatever is left of that bogus know-it-all mantle the doting media have tried to spin around the man. The truth is that the president has no clothes, and the world is not warming, either. The leaders of rising economic powers perceived this in Copenhagen, and they treated Obama accordingly. In a stinging snub, the Chinese prime minister did not show up for the second of two scheduled meetings with the American president, sending a low-level negotiator instead. When a frantic Obama tried to get an appointment with India's prime minister, he was curtly informed that the premier had (Elvis-like) left the building and was on his way to the airport. These were unprecedented humiliations for a sitting U.S. president. The dissing, however, is not all that surprising, given the president's comedic behavior.

The president indeed deserves a Nobel Prize, but for tomfoolery. It should be presented to him by Al Gore, who is often called a "prophet" by his groupies. Some prophet, he. In January of 2006, he was quoted in the Washington Post as claiming that "humans may have only 10 years left to save the planet from turning into a total frying pan." A third of the way down Gore's apocalyptic timeline, things are still not getting any warmer. Quite to the contrary, if it continues in this way, by the end of the ten years we will have all frozen to death.

Gore's doomsday claims notwithstanding, data for the latest decade appear to indicate that the world is actually cooling. Let us hope that the trend will not continue, because serious scientists tell us that we are due for another ice age. This is not a pleasant prospect, given that the last time this happened, the permanent ice sheet extended all the way down to New York's Central Park.

Gore's failed prophecies did not prevent him from leveraging his fear-mongering into an immense personal fortune. His antics and stunts easily make him the leading candidate for the title of the greatest scam-artist of all time. One cannot, in fact, think of any other man who has fooled so many people and made so much money from his swindle.

It comes complete with brazen hypocrisy, whereby Gore -- who himself likes to live like a king -- would force others into public transport and socialist-era high-rise buildings. When called on his environmental sins, he piously claimed that he does his penance by purchasing carbon credits. What he did not say is that he bought those credits from the company he himself founded and co-owned. Gore obviously believes that the penance money should stay in the family. By this he has proven wrong that old proverb about not being able to eat one's own cake.

Gore's scam has been so successful because so many people today are affected by the scourge of being oblivious to facts. But as John Adams once said, facts are stubborn things, which is why leftists have always been so eager to falsify them. Warmists are no exception, as evidenced by the now infamous e-mails by those unbiased and conscientious scientists from the University of East Anglia. What they say must be true, of course, since we all know that scientists would never lie.

Besides being a crushing fiasco, the East Anglia scandal has considerable educational value because it shows that scientists are inherently no more trustworthy than judges or politicians. Putting too much trust in experts can, in fact, be rather dangerous, because obtaining scientific imprimatur has become the bread-and-butter play of scammers of all kinds. Today it is virtually impossible to come across a public hoaxer -- regardless of how inane his claims may be -- who does not have a bunch of certified scientists in his tow.

But despite their aptitude for spinning their way out of inconvenient facts, even the most die-hard warmists will have a hard time in the fix presented by the present arctic snap. To them, it must feel like a sucker-punch from Mother Nature herself, because it bites with that knockout question: How can the world be catastrophically overheating when much of it is experiencing historic freeze, snow, and ice?

The warmists will, of course, wheel out their phony scientists and experts to explain it all. The most ingenious will argue that the cold is actually due to global warming. But the facts are just too glaring to be rendered ineffectual. In the end, even the most artful prevarications cannot trump the weight of clear-cut evidence and common sense. Most people know that warm weather does not cause cold weather. To argue that it does is as absurd as to claim that rain causes droughts.

It remains to be seen whether the boreal chill will knock some sense into Al Gore and Barack Obama. Can this frost-stricken planet still hope that these poster boys of the mindless fact-defying left will for once look the truth in the eye? In view of the damage their ill-conceived ideas and policies have already inflicted, it would be the decent thing to do.

[Dr. Shane]

Makes me laugh bitterly (between the weeping) how *proud* people are of their ignorance of the simple distinction between climate and weather.

Are you worried about Santa too?

[Dr. Shane]

I think Santa kind of brought this on himself. For years he has been giving coal to bad people. What did he think those evil people were going to do with that coal? They built power plants and are now working to melt away Santa's home. Santa needs to learn to give solar panels away to bad children.

[bonnie]

The distinction between the meaning of the words 'global' and 'local' are indeed difficult to understand!

It is difficult to see where you saw the word local with global.

Check around and it might not be so difficult to understand.

The unusual cold and snow seems to be across the US and overseas as well.

Besides didn't Bravus use the word climate and weather,nothing about global or local that I remember.

Do check a global weather map tho and you won't see it is only local

[doug yowell]

The distinction between the meaning of the words 'global' and 'local' are indeed difficult to understand!

Yes,for Al Gore. But can you expect from the Vice-President under a President who had difficulty understanding the word "is"?

[karl]

"The warmists will, of course, wheel out their phony scientists and experts to explain it all. The most ingenious will argue that the cold is actually due to global warming. But the facts are just too glaring to be rendered ineffectual. In the end, even the most artful prevarications cannot trump the weight of clear-cut evidence and common sense. Most people know that warm weather does not cause cold weather. To argue that it does is as absurd as to claim that rain causes droughts."

Uh, here I must beg to differ with Mr Kohlmayer. There are a WHOLE BUNCH of people who are just dying to be gulled. Common sense is the least common of the senses. The blue states are not just cold. They're numb. If the politicians promise them anything, including the prevention of the sky falling, it seems that they will vote for it.