ObamaCare's Pre-Existing Conditions

[bonnie]

Wonder if we are supposed to come to the conclusion that all that have tried their version of Obama care just didn't do it right?

March 28, 2010

ObamaCare's Pre-Existing Conditions

Phil Boehmke

A former high school classmate (our senior class president) recently had occasion to scold me for my March 7th American Thinker post "Obama's health care sob stories vs. tragic truths." He took offence that I chose to highlight the death of 22 year old Kane Gorney from dehydration due to extreme negligence at the hands of the doctors and nurses of the NHS. It seems that all of the recent horror stories about socialized medicine have been exaggerated by angry right-wing extremists like myself. In truth (as leftists see it), Britain's National Health Service has been the envy of the world for six decades.

In 1975 when I was in high school and Barry Obama was being mentored by known Communist and sexual degenerate Frank Marshall Davis, Harry Schwartz wrote an essay entitled "The Infirmity of British Medicine" which was featured in R. Emmett Tyrrell Jr.'s The Future That Doesn't Work. At the time Dr. David Owen was the Labor Minister responsible for the day to day operations of Britain's NHS. In an interview with the London Sunday Times, Dr. Owen said.

"The health service was launched on a fallacy. First we were going to finance everything, cure the nation and then spending would drop. That fallacy has been exposed. Then there was a period when everybody thought the public could have whatever they needed on the health service-it was just a question of governmental will. Now we recognize that no country, even if they are prepared to pay the taxes, can supply everything." (1)

The editor of Britain's "New Scientist" magazine, Bernard Dixon observed that.

"For most of us, it is only when we join a year-long hospital waiting list, or have taken an injured child to a hospital casualty department on Sunday afternoon, that we realize just how threadbare and starved financially the service really is." Mr. Dixon added: "Not only is there an acute shortage of resources, but the expertise and facilities that are available are all too often dispensed via a conveyor-belt system which can at times be positively inhuman." (2)

By the end of his essay, Mr. Schwartz concluded that the increased costs of providing healthcare under a single payer system "could bankrupt any nation that attempts to provide it." In a chilling observation of the economic realities facing the NHS, Mr. Schwartz said.

This must come down to the decision that some shall be helped at the cost of others being permitted to die before they need to. The conflicts on this issue have only begun, but there can be no doubt that they will be fierce indeed when the Draconian nature of the alternatives is fully realized.(3)

Thirty five years later the NHS is still staggering under its own weight and incompetence and now the UK Telegraph reports.

Documents show that health chiefs are considering plans to begin sacking workers, cutting treatments and shutting wards across the country.

The final details of the plans are not due to be announced until the autumn, well after the country has gone to the polls for the general election. The Conservatives and health campaigners said the public deserved to know the true extent of cuts at their local surgeries and hospitals before voting.

Gee, does any of this sound familiar?

[Dr. Shane]

Praise God for Obama. He really loves me. He feels my pain.

[karl]

Praise God for Obama. He really loves me. He feels my pain.

[Dr. Shane]

The legislation Obama signed does not include a public option much less a public take-over. It is really a big bailout for the insurance companies.

[karl]

The legislation Obama signed does not include a public option much less a public take-over. It is really a big bailout for the insurance companies.

Whoopee. First the banks and now the insurance companies.

I just cannot stomach politicians.

Come on, people. Conservatives, please. Only conservative candidates deserve our consideration.

[Dr. Shane]

Obama's universal health-care is to mandate everyone buy insurance. Why does that sound like a good deal for insurance companies?

I have an idea to stop hunger. Let's pass a law mandating everyone buy food.

[karl]

Obama's universal health-care is to mandate everyone buy insurance. Why does that sound like a good deal for insurance companies?

I have an idea to stop hunger. Let's pass a law mandating everyone buy food.

Yeah, and pass a law that everyone do exactly what they're told, without question, at all times. And have your paycheck direct deposited to the government. Let's get this over with.

[bonnie]

Originally Posted By: Shane

The legislation Obama signed does not include a public option much less a public take-over. It is really a big bailout for the insurance companies.

Whoopee. First the banks and now the insurance companies.

I just cannot stomach politicians.

Come on, people. Conservatives, please. Only conservative candidates deserve our consideration.

Funny how the insurance companies don't share in this euphoria.

Maybe they know something others don't

[Dr. Shane]

Insurance companies are already raising premiums. They are planning their exotic vacations and big bonuses already. This health-care reform is an insurance company's dream. Now everyone must have insurance to the insurance companies can charge whatever they want.

[bonnie]

The legislation Obama signed does not include a public option much less a public take-over. It is really a big bailout for the insurance companies.

For some reason Shane I think my insurance agent,Dr and hospital have a much better take on this than you do. I find them a lot more trustworthy than Obama.

Due to surgery I had this week I have dealt with all three extensively..

My insurance agent campaigned and voted for Obama. Hilary was her first choice,not believing that Obama would get health care thru.It didn't take long and she was visibly upset,blaming Pelosi and Reed for strong arming Obama. With what has been passed or looks like it will her and her co-workers across the US firmly believe private health care insurance will be a thing of the past. With pre-existing coverage it is not necessary for people to carry insurance long term. They can pay the lesser amount for a fine and wait till something happens.

You will see public option.When they are limited to one test and that does not iso;ate the problem,take a pill and go home.

My knee took 3

My family Dr and the orthopedic surgeon both have told me I could expect a lengthy wait in the future.They are well aware of the cuts promised and the addition of millions more to the government roles.Also the restrictions they will be under. They are cut now but the new cuts will deepen the impact.

My injury was not life threatening,but it was extremely painful. Depending on what area of Canada my wait could have been from 181/2 weeks and beyond.

[Dr. Shane]

I don't see any public option coming at all. If the Supreme Court upholds the insurance mandate, I see the fine for not having insurance becoming much greater and the requirement for employers to provide insurance expanding to all small businesses.

God bless the insurance agent. Tell her not to doubt her choice. God appointed Obama and saved us from McCain. Praise God from Whom all blessings flow.

[bonnie]

I don't see any public option coming at all. If the Supreme Court upholds the insurance mandate, I see the fine for not having insurance becoming much greater and the requirement for employers to provide insurance expanding to all small businesses.

God bless the insurance agent. Tell her not to doubt her choice. God appointed Obama and saved us from McCain. Praise God from Whom all blessings flow.

The insurance agent is not feeling so blessed about now. And we all know when it is expedient God gets the blame or credit for many things not his doing.

Really doesn't matter what you see. Those with the expertise in this field I believe see better than you.

Those not wanting a nanny in their adult years also see a little more clearly.

You should discuss your views with Obama tho just to make sure. He has said his aim is for the public option,it will just take time to get there. That is why passing any bill was important.The foot in the door and then the rest

[Dr. Shane]

Insurance agents will feel plenty blessed as their commissions rise faster than they can spend them. Indeed, I can see them taking vacations to Hawaii in the winters and Alaska in the summers. Insurance agents are going to be the new bankers. Ski trips in Colorado and scuba diving in the Bahamas. There will probably be more people becoming insurance agents than doctors.

Something had to be done. The do-nothing Republicans had years and years to do something about the health-care crisis and did nothing. Well, maybe they chewed bubble gum and skipped rocks on the lake. I think some played fiddle while cancer patients had to fight with their insurance companies for coverage. A little disingenuous for Republicans to come around now and say they have a better plan. If true, why didn't they propose it when they controlled Congress and the White House.

Now this health care plan isn't perfect. It is far from perfect. It will be amended and changed in years to come. President Obama may have the dream of a single-payer public option but he probably has a dream of sending men to Mars too. Neither is likely to happen in our lifetime. Right now, President Obama's chances of getting re-elected are not even that high. So I certainly don't see any changes to this bill moving it toward a public option.

[bonnie]

Insurance agents will feel plenty blessed as their commissions rise faster than they can spend them. Indeed, I can see them taking vacations to Hawaii in the winters and Alaska in the summers. Insurance agents are going to be the new bankers. Ski trips in Colorado and scuba diving in the Bahamas. There will probably be more people becoming insurance agents than doctors.

Something had to be done. The do-nothing Republicans had years and years to do something about the health-care crisis and did nothing. Well, maybe they chewed bubble gum and skipped rocks on the lake. I think some played fiddle while cancer patients had to fight with their insurance companies for coverage. A little disingenuous for Republicans to come around now and say they have a better plan. If true, why didn't they propose it when they controlled Congress and the White House.

Now this health care plan isn't perfect. It is far from perfect. It will be amended and changed in years to come. President Obama may have the dream of a single-payer public option but he probably has a dream of sending men to Mars too. Neither is likely to happen in our lifetime. Right now, President Obama's chances of getting re-elected are not even that high. So I certainly don't see any changes to this bill moving it toward a public option.

If a patient had not lied on their application and had the coverage they were covered. If a insurance company played fast and loose there were steps for them to take.When medicare denies coverage there are no steps to take.

Again those that do know the business far more than you don't believe the story you are telling.

They have far more insight than Shane has

[Dr. Shane]

I know that the Democrats don't have enough votes in the Senate to stop a filabuster and it looks like they will pick up more seats in the Fall. I don't see any public option coming in the foreseeable future.

[karl]

I know that the Democrats don't have enough votes in the Senate to stop a filabuster and it looks like they will pick up more seats in the Fall. I don't see any public option coming in the foreseeable future.

Mandatory insurance IS a public option. Insurance is nothing less than applied socialism. If it is made mandatory, there's your public option. Obama gets his cake and gets to eat it, too.

Name one substantive difference between mandatory insurance and socialized medicine.