Attacks on Freedom

[Guest]

Attacks on Freedom

John Stossel

Something's happened to America, and it isn't good. It's become easier to get into trouble. We've become a nation of a million rules. Not the kind of bottom-up rules that people generate through voluntary associations. Those are fine. I mean imposed, top-down rules formed in the brains of meddling bureaucrats who think they know better than we how to manage our lives.

Cross them, and we are in trouble.

The National Marine Fishery Service (NMFS) received an anonymous fax that a seafood shipment to Alabama from David McNab contained "undersized lobster tails" and was improperly packed in clear plastic bags, rather than the cardboard boxes allegedly required under Honduran law. When the $4 million shipment arrived, NMFS agents seized it. McNab served eight years in prison, even though the Honduran government informed the court that the regulation requiring cardboard boxes had been repealed.

How about this one? Four kindergartners -- yes, 5-year-old boys -- played cops and robbers at Wilson Elementary in New Jersey. One yelled: "Boom! I have a bazooka, and I want to shoot you." He did not, of course, have a bazooka. Nevertheless, all four boys were suspended from school for three days for "making threats," a violation of their school district's zero-tolerance policy. School Principal Georgia Baumann said, "We cannot take any of these statements in a light manner." District Superintendent William Bauer said: "This is a no-tolerance policy. We're very firm on weapons and threats."

Give me a break. These are just some of the stories featured in a new book, "One Nation Under Arrest". I'll discuss more on my Fox Business show Thursday night.

Here's another: Ansche Hedgepeth, 12, committed this heinous crime: She left school in Washington, D.C., entered a Metrorail station to head home and ate a French fry. An undercover officer arrested her, confiscating her jacket, backpack and shoelaces. She was handcuffed and taken to the Juvenile Processing Center. Only after three hours in custody was the 12-year-old released into her mother's custody. The chief of Metro Transit Police said: "We really do believe in zero-tolerance. Anyone taken into custody has to be handcuffed for officer safety." She was sentenced to community service and now carries an arrest record. Washington's Metro has since rescinded its zero-tolerance policy.

Keith John Sampson, a student-employee at Indiana-Purdue University Indianapolis, had the temerity to read "Notre Dame Versus the Klan: How the Fighting Irish Defeated the Ku Klux Klan" during breaks on the job. One student complained because the book's cover depicted the Klan. The university then found Sampson guilty of racial harassment! Thankfully, a great organization, the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE), came to his defense and got his school record cleared.

Palo Alto, Calif., ordered Kay Leibrand, a grandmother, to lower her carefully trimmed hedges. Leibrand argued that no one's vision was obstructed and asked the code officer to take a look. He refused. Then the city dispatched two police officers. They arrested her, loaded her into a patrol car in front of her neighbors and hauled her down to the station.

In 2001, honor student Lindsay Brown parked her car in the wrong spot at her high school. A county police officer looked inside and saw a kitchen knife -- a butter knife with a rounded tip. Because Lindsay was on school property, she had violated the zero-tolerance policy for knives. She was arrested, handcuffed and hauled off to county jail where she spent nine hours on a felony weapons possession charge. School Principal Fred Bode told a local paper, "A weapon is a weapon."

Congress creates, on average, one new crime every week. Federal agencies create thousands more -- so many, in fact that the Congressional Research Service itself said that merely counting them would be impossible.

This is a bad trend. As Lao Tsu said, "The more laws and order are made prominent, the more thieves and robbers there will be."

http://townhall.com/columnists/JohnStossel/2010/07/14/attacks_on_freedom/page/full

[mrsducky]

I think these things are just test cases to see what people will tolerate with regart to violation of their personal rights. We are preparing for a time Ellen White carefully describes in The Great Controversy. where the true followers of Jesus are persecuted. People are being trained to accept other lifestyles and beliefs as truth regardless of how they measure up with Scripture. It won't be long until we see Jesus!

[Guest]

I think you're absolutely right Mrs. D

[Bravus]

The US certainly has *dramatically* higher rates of incarceration than all comparable countries. The War on Drugs is probably the greatest contributor.

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

Here are the top ten countries re: incarcerations per capita stats:

Quote:

# 1 United States: 715 per 100,000 people

# 2 Russia: 584 per 100,000 people

# 3 Belarus: 554 per 100,000 people

# 4 Palau: 523 per 100,000 people

# 5 Belize: 459 per 100,000 people

# 6 Suriname: 437 per 100,000 people

# 7 Dominica 420 per 100,000 people

# 8 Ukraine: 416 per 100,000 people

# 9 Bahamas, The: 410 per 100,000 people

# 10 South Africa: 402 per 100,000 people

source

I wonder what's causing the high rates in these other countries.

[Bravus]

By way of comparison, Australia and Canada are both at 116.

Russia and Belarus are almost 'failed states' as part of the Former Soviet Union.

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

By way of comparison, Australia and Canada are both at 116.

Russia and Belarus are almost 'failed states' as part of the Former Soviet Union.

I wonder if Australia and Canada don't have as much crime? Or do the convicted just get their hands slapped and are told not to do any more crimes? Or are the police in those countries inept or understaffed?

[Bravus]

Definitely much, much less crime.

But as I said above, the War on Drugs is a huge deal for incarceration in the US. When you have 'three strikes' policies giving people very long sentences for three relatively minor offences, and when possession of marijuana (for example) is an offence, you're fairly naturally going to accumulate a lot of prisoners over time.

At the same time, Australia and Canada arguably have less severe drug problems than the US. It's obviously not simple, and plays out in terms of other cultural and social issues, but it seems pretty clear that if the goal of the War on Drugs is to actually reduce drug use, it's not working all that well.

[Bravus]

Just by the by, those worried about the costs of immigrants should maybe realise that prisoners cost a lot more, and there are more of them: 30 or so million versus an estimated 12 million illegals. Not a direct comparison, obviously, but something to think about.

[Guest]

I think they should drop the marijuana prosecutions. There are a lot of people incarcerated just over that. Might as well just make it legal. It doesn't cause near the problems alcohol does.

So a guy gets high, gets the munchies, and eats up all the potatoe chips and ice cream. Big deal.

[mrsducky]

By way of comparison, Australia and Canada are both at 116.

Russia and Belarus are almost 'failed states' as part of the Former Soviet Union.

Do your statistics show what kinds of crime are counted and how they compare with the kinds of crime in the U.S.? Just curious. . .

[Bravus]

No, I was just going on the table that rudywoofs linked to.

[jasd]

Awww, sheesh!—am I being asked to give credence to this Dude?—this, this, John Stossel? Ain he not

that shifty-eyed Dudley Dudite over there on that – whatchamacallit news channel?—uh, uh, uh, uh... oh yeah! CoyoteNews!--or mebbe it’s, Goebbelsheimer-news?—the underarm of the Tea Party movement. Ennyways,

shur ain not Main Shill Media... So, definitely,

but definitely, a questionable source – the lead article this thread!

Oy ya! Let Freedom Ring!

[jasd]

Quote:

Quote:

# 1 United States: 715 per 100,000 people

# 2 Russia: 584 per 100,000 people

# 3 Belarus: 554 per 100,000 people

# 4 Palau: 523 per 100,000 people

# 5 Belize: 459 per 100,000 people

# 6 Suriname: 437 per 100,000 people

# 7 Dominica 420 per 100,000 people

# 8 Ukraine: 416 per 100,000 people

# 9 Bahamas, The: 410 per 100,000 people

# 10 South Africa: 402 per 100,000 people

Sheesh, so many places is talkin’ Spanish!—coulda fooled me. Nahhh, not me.

[jasd]

To be said, The United States must certainly have the world's most efficient Police Force - and thems other's police forces - must all be on the take, eh? Big time bribery and sheenannigans...!

Ahh, you gotta love corruption, yes?

[Guest]

Awww, sheesh!—am I being asked to give credence to this Dude?—this, this, John Stossel? Ain he not

that shifty-eyed Dudley Dudite over there on that – whatchamacallit news channel?—uh, uh, uh, uh... oh yeah! CoyoteNews!--or mebbe it’s, Goebbelsheimer-news?—the underarm of the Tea Party movement. Ennyways,

shur ain not Main Shill Media... So, definitely,

but definitely, a questionable source – the lead article this thread!

Oy ya! Let Freedom Ring!