olger Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Originally Posted By: bonnie Just as possible as coming from the Obama camp. Not really, they don't have a motive right now. Cain, I suspect would make a good opponent for them in the general. Cain would roll over Obama like a D-11R hi-track. Can you imagine a debate between them two?Cain with his very straightforward manner against the "Uh.. where's my teleprompter..?" Obama. :) Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 What would, perhaps will, kill Cain is is 9% sales tax. People are not going to vote for a 9% sales tax. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 What would, perhaps will, kill Cain is is 9% sales tax. People are not going to vote for a 9% sales tax. I thought there was more to it than just the 9% sales tax Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 I thought there was more to it than just the 9% sales tax Most voters won't. Most already pay 5% - 10% state sales tax and don't welcome another 9% on top of that. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted November 5, 2011 Author Members Share Posted November 5, 2011 The point is that the "liberal" media did go after Clinton. Clinton has often talked about how he was attacked by the media, including the mainstream networks like ABC, CBS and NBC. From the liberal perspective, the media did not protect Clinton, but helped lead to his impeachment. The far, right-wing conservatives look at the same media coverage and see a mainstream media that was protecting Clinton. So it depends upon where one stands politically to how they see the media coverage of the event. What is undeniable is that the media coverage of the Clinton affair drove up ratings. The same is true of the current scandal with Cain. My position is that the media is driven more by a desire for financial gain than it is through political ideology. When the media smells blood in the water, they jump all over the story. Was listening to a news guy, not sure from what network or his name, but he was talking just about that. He said that he and most of the media people that he knows hammered Clinton. He says Cain hasn't see nothing yet to that extent. Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 Originally Posted By: bonnie I thought there was more to it than just the 9% sales tax Most voters won't. Most already pay 5% - 10% state sales tax and don't welcome another 9% on top of that. Are you saying that 9% sales tax on top of all other sales tax? Not the way I understood it Same for the income tax 9% on top of what is already being paid? Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 Politico ran 90 stories in five days That is what Limbaugh is claiming. That would be how many? 18 stories a day. I wonder if that isn't Limbaugh-math. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 Are you saying that 9% sales tax on top of all other sales tax?Not the way I understood it Same for the income tax 9% on top of what is already being paid? Yes, Yes, Yes! If your state now charges 6% sales tax, the 9% would be on top of that. So the sales receipt at Wal-Mart will have two lines for tax. Let's say the subtotal is $100. There would be $6 State sales tax and $9 Federal sales tax. That would be $100 + $6 + $9 = $115. The current income tax would be replaced with a flat 9% but deductions would be allowed for charity and home mortgage. This would decrease what most everyone pays. This would also replace Social Security tax. So the FICA deduction would disappear. Employers would no long have to match the employee's contribution. So employers should give all their employees an automatic 7.5% pay raise. If they did, all workers would automatically being earning 15% more because they wouldn't be paying the roughly 7.5% FICA nor would their employers. In most cases, the straight 9% income tax would be a reduction from what people are now paying. The 15% increase in their take-home pay would off-set the new 9% sales tax. However I don't think most people believe that their boss is going to increase their wages by 7.5% but that their boss will just pocket that. So the worker gets a 9% sales tax tossed on him or her in exchange for not having to pay the 7.5% FICA. That isn't a good deal. And for the majority of low income and lower-middle class that currently do not pay income tax - they would be paying 9% income tax. So the 9-9-9 plan is really, really bad for the lower and lower-middle class people. Unless all those bosses give the 7.5% pay raises as they should - then the lower and lower-middle class folks may break even. However breaking even is not a good reason to vote for Cain. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 That is what Limbaugh is claiming. That would be how many? 18 stories a day. I wonder if that isn't Limbaugh-math. Really sad Shane.No it was the Washington Examiner.Obsess,obsess Charlie Spiering November 4, 2011 1:55pm 317 Comments Politico publishes 90 stories on Cain scandal byCharlie Spiering Commentary Staff Writer Follow on Twitter:@charliespiering Herman Cain (AP Photo) How much is too much? Politico broke the Cain sexual harassment story last Sunday night, launching organization wide coverage filling up a full week of heavy coverage on their scoop. Since the scandal broke, the political reporting juggernaut has published at least 90 online stories on further developments and public reaction to the story. I've posted the entire list below since the story broke. Update: 93. Herman Cain allegation: Accuser breaks silence Update: 92. NRA confirms one harassment complaint Update: 91. Cain: Attention stems from popularity 90. Accuser attorney: Settlement dated 9/99, Kilgore signed - Nov. 4, 2011 - Story 89. Block wants firings at POLITICO - Nov. 4, 2011 - Story 88. Cain may face more questions - Nov. 4, 2011 - StoryRove swats Cain for accusing Perry - Nov. 4, 2011 - Story 87. Cain accuser reportedly felt 'work hostility' - Nov. 4, 2011 - Story 86. Perry to Cain: No apology - Nov. 3, 2011 - Story 85. King not buying reports on Cain - Nov. 3, 2011 - Story 84. AFP investigating Cain-linked group - Nov. 3, 2011 - Story 83. Cain accuser took complaint to National Restaurant Association board - Nov. 3, 2011 - Story 82. Sources reveal new details about Cain allegation - Nov. 3, 2011 - Story 81. No Gloria Cain tomorrow night, but eventually - Nov. 3, 2011 - Story 80. Rush: 'Cain hasn't handled ... ambush very well' - Nov. 3, 2011 - Story 79. Anderson wants 'transparency for everybody' - Nov. 3, 2011 - Story 78. Restaurant association to decide Friday on accuser's request to make statement - Nov. 3, 2011 - Story 77. Block backpedals on Anderson attack - Nov. 3, 2011 - Story 76. Second Cain accuser got $45,000 - Nov. 3, 2011 - Story 75. Cain accuser got $45,000 - Nov. 3, 2011 - Story 74. Cain back attacking Perry camp - Nov. 3, 2011 - Story 73. Baptist leader Land says 'complete transparency' needed from Cain - Nov. 3, 2011 - Story 72. Rahm spokesman: WashTimes story 'absurd' - Nov. 3, 2011 - Story 71. Santorum says accusations flap not Cain's biggest problem - Nov. 3, 2011 - Story 70. Accuser's attorney asks Restaurant Association about issuing statement - Nov. 3, 2011 - Story 69. Priebus on leaks: RNC isn't 'Sherlock Holmes' - Nov. 3, 2011 - Story 68. Anderson says Cain 'floundering,' accusations a 'diversionary strategy' - Nov. 3, 2011 - Story 67. Cain and Thomas, together at last - Nov. 3, 2011 - Story 66. Herman Cain should start wising up - Nov. 3, 2011 - Story 65. Cain flap exposes generation gap - Nov. 3, 2011 - Story 64. Furor follows Cain to Capitol Hill - Nov. 2, 2011 - Story 63. Rahm! - Nov. 2, 2011 - Story 62. Perry camp floats Mitt as culprit - Nov. 2, 2011 - Story 61. Gingrich says Cain needs to regroup with his team - Nov. 2, 2011 - Story 60. Cain lashes out at Perry campaign - Nov. 2, 2011 - Story 59. Cain expected vindication - Nov. 2, 2011 - Story 58. Bachmann drills harder on Cain allegations - Nov. 2, 2011 - Story 57. Cain confronts more allegations - Nov. 2, 2011 - Story 56. Cain accuses former adviser Curt Anderson of leaking - Nov. 2, 2011 - Story 55. Iowa radio host accuses Cain of 'inappropriate' remarks - Nov. 2, 2011 - Story 54. Third woman comes forward to AP - Nov. 2, 2011 - Story 53. GOP pollster makes Cain accusation - Nov. 2, 2011 - Story 52. Rove: Cain must let accusers speak - Nov. 2, 2011 - Story 51.Attorney: Waiting for a callback from restaurant association - Nov. 2, 2011 - Story 50. Cain brushes off harassment questions - Nov. 2, 2011 - Story 49. Cain reaction: Not by the book - Nov. 2, 2011 - Story 48. The sound of silence - Nov. 2, 2011 - Story 47. Barbour tells Cain to 'get the facts out' - Nov. 2, 2011 - Story 46. Still cautious on Cain - Nov. 2, 2011 - Story 45. Iowa yawns at Cain flap - Nov. 2, 2011 - Story 44. A year's salary paid to one Cain accuser - Nov. 1, 2011 - Story 43. Bachmann warns against candidates with 'surprises' - Nov. 1, 2011 - Story 42. Lawyer: Lift gag on Cain's accuser - Nov. 1, 2011 - Story 41. Cain won't say whether he will ask the Restaurant Association to let accuser speak - Nov. 1, 2011 - Story 40. Santorum on Cain: 'Experience' a plus - Nov. 1, 2011 - Story 39. Cain accuser's lawyer says she wants to tell her story - Nov. 1, 2011 - Story 38. Gloria Cain may appear on Fox News on Friday - Nov. 1, 2011 - Story 37. GOP senators to dine with Cain tonight - Nov. 1, 2011 - Story 36. Cain now recalls 'couple of other' items in accuser's complaint - Nov. 1, 2011 - Story 35. Cain says he remembered settlement Monday - Nov. 1, 2011 - Story 34. Cain's damage control - Nov. 1, 2011 - Story 32. National Restaurant Association closes ranks - Nov. 1, 2011 - Story 31. The non-judgmental case against Cain - Nov. 1, 2011 - Story 30. Restaurant group nixed backing Cain - Nov. 1, 2011 - Story 29. Cain damage control adds fuel to fire - Nov. 1, 2011 - Story 28. Cain explains nationally - Oct. 31, 2011 - Story 27. Cain's story shifts - Oct. 31, 2011 - Story 26. Cain story divides conservatives - Oct. 31, 2011 - Story 25. Cain's conflicting accounts - Oct. 31, 2011 - Story 24. Experts: Quiet settlements not uncommon - Oct. 31, 2011 - Story 23. Van Susteren husband at Cain event as 'friend' - Oct. 31, 2011 - Story 22. Cain now acknowledges details of payout - Oct. 31, 2011 - Story 21. VIDEO: Team Cain's responses - Oct. 31, 2011 - Story 20. Cain contradicts former association HR chief on investigation - Oct. 31, 2011 - Story 19. Cain sings - Oct. 31, 2011 - Story 18. Cain claims 'enough said,' but story inconsistent - Oct. 31, 2011 - Story 17. Cain Iowa chairman: 'Distraction' will help here - Oct. 31, 2011 - Story 16. Cain acknowledges settlement details - Oct. 31, 2011 - Story 15. Cain acknowledges harassment accusations - Oct. 31, 2011 - Story 14. Cain-led restaurant group declines comment - Oct. 31, 2011 - Story 13. Rove ratchets up pressure on Cain - Oct. 31, 2011 - Story 12. Cain rebuffs question on NRA report - Oct. 31, 2011 - Story 11. Rove to Cain: True or false? - Oct. 31, 2011 - Story 10. Block denies harassment, hedges on settlement - Oct. 31, 2011 - Story 9. Cain ducks press at AEI - Oct. 31, 2011 - Story 8. Trump: Cain settled to dodge fees - Oct. 31, 2011 - Story 7. Concerned Women for America wants answers from Cain - Oct. 31, 2011 – Story 6. Team Cain's 'recipe for disaster' - Oct. 31, 2011 - Story 5. Cain to appear on Fox Monday - Oct. 31, 2011 - Story 4. Cain attacks, doesn't deny POLITICO report - Oct. 30, 2011 - Story 3. Cain attacks POLITICO report - Oct. 30, 2011 – Story 2. Paul camp responds to Cain story -- by hitting him on TARP - Oct. 30, 2011 – Story 1. Exclusive: 2 women accused Cain of inappropriate behavior - Oct. 30, 2011 - Story All this information comes from the Politico search engine. I've removed any obvious duplicates, but It should be noted that some of these stories may be on the same topic. For example, their Campaign 2012 blog sometimes borrows extensively from their own political stories. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. 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Dr. Shane Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 Really sad Shane.No it was the Washington Examiner. You think it is sad that Limbaugh uses the Washington Examiner as a source of information? That doesn't bother me. I am OK with that. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 You think it is sad that Limbaugh uses the Washington Examiner as a source of information? That doesn't bother me. I am OK with that. As I have not listened to Rush Limbaugh for two days and the day before amounted to about five minutes I have no idea who his source was.All I did hear was some comments on two books he had written. I don't have to listen to Rush.All I have to do is wait for your translation of what he said and meant. Your spin is getting more lame all the time. I don't think one was or another who Rush uses as a source. What is sad is an adult that is so obsessed with talk radio. Can't you find something a little more productive to pass your time with? A little searching on your part would let you know there are many other sources out there.Most of us do not care if those sources are on your approved list. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olger Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 You sure got it in for the `baugh :) Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 You sure got it in for the `baugh It is called obsession as far as I am concerned.Limbaugh,Hannity,Beck are responsible for most conservative thought.Conservatives cannot form their own opinions without being told what they should be. It is a recurring theme and occurs several times in many topics Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olger Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 Shane is mistaken on that. Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 What is sad is an adult that is so obsessed with talk radio.Can't you find something a little more productive to pass your time with? My job causes me to spend a lot of time on the road. I am normally in my pick-up about 4 hours a day. I suppose I could subscribe to XM radio and have more to choose from but talk radio and NPR are free. I am a news junkie.\ Rush and Hannity both rely heavily on the Drudge Report for their show preparation. This story could have actually been a link from there. It would be nice to see someone pop the Cain balloon so that a candidate that can actually beat Obama might win the primary. I hope we are not going to go down the McCain road again. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 My job causes me to spend a lot of time on the road. I am normally in my pick-up about 4 hours a day. I suppose I could subscribe to XM radio and have more to choose from but talk radio and NPR are free. I am a news junkie.\ Rush and Hannity both rely heavily on the Drudge Report for their show preparation. This story could have actually been a link from there. It would be nice to see someone pop the Cain balloon so that a candidate that can actually beat Obama might win the primary. I hope we are not going to go down the McCain road again. Because this is the way Shane spends his day,it is the way others must spend theirs? Maybe if you weren't so obsessed listen to music,religious programs,DVD's or ? I could care less where Rush and Hannity get their information for their show preparation. It was not taken from there but who cares. I am neither as bored as you or as glued to the opinions of others as you are. My opinions and ideology was formed long before there was talk radio.Same holds true for many,many thousands of others. At one point some time ago you mocked me for the fact I said my religious beliefs shape many of my political beliefs. I cannot separate what God says and promote or back what I know is strictly unbiblical. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 I do listen to religious programming and audio books too. But I am really not the subject here, am I? I don't care where other members here get their information but I think we need to be honest with our sources because most every source is bias. I hear things on talk radio and NPR most every day. I often watch FOXNews and sometimes Al Jazeera English. Stan made a post a couple weeks ago about something I had heard while listening to NPR and I made a comment that I had heard that on NPR. I don't know if Stan listens to NPR or not. He may have heard it from another source. He didn't get defensive as there was no reason to. It is what it is. Limbaugh, Beck and Hannity all have an agenda. If I see someone post something here that I heard on one of those far right-wing programs, I will mention it. It doesn't mean the member here was listening to the program. All three of those guys get a lot from the Drudge Report and Beck has his own "The Blaze" site. So there are multiple sources for given stories. But if a member here is saying the same thing that the right-wing radicals are saying,,, that does put them in the same camp. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 I do listen to religious programming and audio books too. But I am really not the subject here, am I? When you continually try to invalid any opinion that conflicts yours Yes,you are the topic.You simply are incapable of leaving it alone. Yes,you certainly do care where members here get their information The problem is because of what you spend hours doing,you assume everyone is as easily influenced pro or con as you are. It is beyond your ability to understand that the opinions of most adults is shaped by far more than talk radio even if yours is not Just as an after thought,did you tell Stan to stop drinking the kool-aid or to get off the bandwagon he was on? If not,that may be why he did not get defensive,You think? Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 Well, we certainly shouldn't be drinking political kool-aid or jumping on bandwagons. As Seventh-day Adventist Christians, we need to be independent minded and not easily influenced by those with dubious motives. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 Well, we certainly shouldn't be drinking political kool-aid or jumping on bandwagons. As Seventh-day Adventist Christians, we need to be independent minded and not easily influenced by those with dubious motives. Sorry,I am not concerned at all about biblical kool-aid. Where conservative ideology does not conflict with that, I can support. I cannot support liberal ideology,which I believe goes against biblical guidence. As I do not believe you are independent minded,what you tell me I need to be is meaningless. Especially when you make claims of "They said" and can produce nothing but "I can connect the dots" Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 I cannot support liberal ideology, which I believe goes against biblical guidence. Helping the poor and caring for the environment are Biblical principles. Liberals and conservatives just disagree on how to accomplish those things. Neither is anti-Biblical. They are just different pathways to the same goal. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 Helping the poor and caring for the environment are Biblical principles. Quote: Yes they are.Liberals feel very comfortable in the concept of demonizing and taking from one sector and giving it to another.Not a biblical concept No,one side says conservatives want children to starve and women to prostitute themselves for any that disagree with them.That is not biblical No,one side has a special pathway to a special place in hell. No one has ever said there should not be a safety net and temporary help for those doing what they can to help themselves. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted November 5, 2011 Share Posted November 5, 2011 Well, Jesus did say those that hurt children will have their special place in hell. But here is the kicker... both liberals and conservatives can hurt children and thus earn their special place in hell. The Bible does not endorse the liberal political philosophy nor the conservative political philosophy. One can be a fine Christian and be liberal and one can be a fine Christian and be conservative. However, one can also be a hell-bound heathen and be a liberal or a hell-bound heathen and be a conservative. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Well, Jesus did say those that hurt children will have their special place in hell. But here is the kicker... both liberals and conservatives can hurt children and thus earn their special place in hell. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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