Moderators Bravus Posted December 11, 2011 Moderators Share Posted December 11, 2011 Dust, feet... Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Dust, feet... Exactly Bravus Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Originally Posted By: Bravus Dust, feet... Exactly Bravus As some would say - 'nuff said. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight II Posted December 11, 2011 Author Share Posted December 11, 2011 Those who are deeply dissatisfied with how this site is run do have one very simple alternative available to them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted December 11, 2011 Moderators Share Posted December 11, 2011 But at the same time, the Board cannot possibly reconfigure itself to meet the taste of everyone, since everyone's tastes are so different. I agree it should be open to discussion, but you ought to remember that the shape it currently has is the fruit of many many years of such open discussion. If there were many dissatisfied people, it would make sense to reconsider the operation of the board. If there's one, it makes sense for that person to take a look in the mirror... and to consider whether this is the place to be. I'm not *telling* you to leave, I'm simply suggesting that there's no reason why you have to put up with something you consider sub-optimal: the web is large, there will be something more to your tastes elsewhere. I'm afraid that - not through any clique, but through the desire of the great majority of the members - this place won't be changing to suit you. Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight II Posted December 11, 2011 Author Share Posted December 11, 2011 But at the same time, the Board cannot possibly reconfigure itself to meet the taste of everyone, since everyone's tastes are so different. I agree it should be open to discussion, but you ought to remember that the shape it currently has is the fruit of many many years of such open discussion. If there were many dissatisfied people, it would make sense to reconsider the operation of the board. If there's one, it makes sense for that person to take a look in the mirror... and to consider whether this is the place to be. I'm not *telling* you to leave, I'm simply suggesting that there's no reason why you have to put up with something you consider sub-optimal: the web is large, there will be something more to your tastes elsewhere. I'm afraid that - not through any clique, but through the desire of the great majority of the members - this place won't be changing to suit you. I disagree with your instant jump to the solution being one of "seperation". We should discuss and challenge the status quo. But many here seem to get very itchy when someone does that. That is not a healthy sign. Also in your argument is the idea that "we have arrived", because you have spent a long time developing the current status quo, which again is dangerous. If those that run the forum are not open to discussion about how they run things, then this board will become nothing more than a self serving platform for a small minority clique. Then it will have no relevance to the mission God has given Adventists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted December 11, 2011 Members Share Posted December 11, 2011 But at the same time, the Board cannot possibly reconfigure itself to meet the taste of everyone, since everyone's tastes are so different. I agree it should be open to discussion, but you ought to remember that the shape it currently has is the fruit of many many years of such open discussion. If there were many dissatisfied people, it would make sense to reconsider the operation of the board. If there's one, it makes sense for that person to take a look in the mirror... and to consider whether this is the place to be. I'm not *telling* you to leave, I'm simply suggesting that there's no reason why you have to put up with something you consider sub-optimal: the web is large, there will be something more to your tastes elsewhere. I'm afraid that - not through any clique, but through the desire of the great majority of the members - this place won't be changing to suit you. Again twilight its not that I disagree with what your asking, and it seems neither do the moderators. Quote phkrause Obstinacy is a barrier to all improvement. - ChL 60 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted December 11, 2011 Moderators Share Posted December 11, 2011 (I should have noted that my comments are those of a private citizen of this board: I'm neither a moderator nor an administrater, just some guy) Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight II Posted December 11, 2011 Author Share Posted December 11, 2011 (I should have noted that my comments are those of a private citizen of this board: I'm neither a moderator nor an administrater, just some guy) But you are still defending the status quo in the same manner you did as a moderator and one who was involved in the running of this forum. Correct? Which means you very likely reflect the opinions of the moderators in a general sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted December 11, 2011 Moderators Share Posted December 11, 2011 The moderators are a very, very mixed bunch of people; there's no orthodoxy. But sure, I'll defend my friends when they're under attack. It's part of what friends do. Could this place be better? Probably. If we've arrived anywhere it's at a complex, messy compromise, not pristine perfection. But my solutions for improving the place would in many ways be opposite to yours, and that's exactly the issue: it's necessary to find a working compromise. And, fwiw, I think in general we've done so: it's messy, and no-one is 100% happy, but that's an impossible goal. From reading this thread, it seems to me (and correct me if I'm wrong) that what you want is more moderators who are more like you. From my perspective, there are already some... and some who are quite different. The moderators are a complex mix, and reflect the members well. Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight II Posted December 11, 2011 Author Share Posted December 11, 2011 But sure, I'll defend my friends when they're under attack. It's part of what friends do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted December 11, 2011 Moderators Share Posted December 11, 2011 If you really want a list of moderators, there's nothing to stop you compiling one for yourself. You could even post it here if you wanted to. Each forum shows its moderator. A few of those might be out-dated because a few moderators have quit recently, but in general it's accurate. I already explained any 'defensiveness' you might be sensing on my part: even used the word: I'll defend my friends. I think your perception is incorrect, except insofar as it's true to say that most mods would be somewhere to the left of you. But it's not the mods who moved... Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight II Posted December 11, 2011 Author Share Posted December 11, 2011 If you really want a list of moderators, there's nothing to stop you compiling one for yourself. You could even post it here if you wanted to. Each forum shows its moderator. A few of those might be out-dated because a few moderators have quit recently, but in general it's accurate. I already explained any 'defensiveness' you might be sensing on my part: even used the word: I'll defend my friends. I think your perception is incorrect, except insofar as it's true to say that most mods would be somewhere to the left of you. But it's not the mods who moved... I have already guaged the boards moderators by the method Stan offered. And to be middle of the road, you have to first identify the liberals and the conservatives. Until you understand what they argue for, you cannot find the middle. Liberalism on one hand, legalism on the other. In the middle of that is the narrow path, which involves a total dependence on Christ, with an expectation of total victory over sin. So your assertion for instance that I am a conservative is very very far from the truth. But that will not stop you from thinking that, because you will naturally conclude that anyone to the right of you is ultra conservative. Don't you agree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. T. Cross Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 I have to say, having been a moderator and admin on the official Iron Maiden and Rob Halford boards - the moderators here do one of the best jobs I have ever seen. They are more fair than at most boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon1 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Mark, one could hope for transparency and disclosure, or that the forum's motto be upheld. But online behaviour lacks the accountability of even simple dialogue in the flesh. All is not lost. The signs of the times are closing upon us. We must lift up our heads for our redemption draweth nigh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight II Posted December 11, 2011 Author Share Posted December 11, 2011 Mark, one could hope for transparency and disclosure, or that the forum's motto be upheld. But online behaviour lacks the accountability of even simple dialogue in the flesh. All is not lost. The signs of the times are closing upon us. We must lift up our heads for our redemption draweth nigh. Indeed my friend. There are some books that I will be looking at in heaven, with much sadness I expect. As long as I keep laying hold of the grace supplied to me through the merits of Christ of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoAspen Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Hey everyone...full moon is past, over, done...time for all the whining to end.....I hope!!! (maybe the grinch stole christmas again) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amelia Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Hey everyone...full moon is past, over, done...time for all the whining to end.....I hope!!! (maybe the grinch stole christmas again) Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon1 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 ...Time is short.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoAspen Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Yep...only 14 day till Christmas!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overaged Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 I have read all the posts in this forum topic; and my only question is: "What is this topic about?" Quote "People [rarely] see...the bright light which is in the clouds..." (Job 37:21)"I cannot know why suddenly the stormshould rage so fiercely round me in it's wrathBut this I know: God watches all my pathAnd I can trust""God helps us to draw strength from the storm" - OveragedFaith makes things possible; it does not make them easy, Steps To Christ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 I think it was CoA who said the full moon is past. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. T. Cross Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Yep...only 14 day till Christmas!!! Stop you are panicking me!! That means that its only.............. OH NO that means its my wifes birthday TODAY!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olger Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 Disappionted John317 is no longer a moderator of the theology forum. One of the most balanced posters on this board and in my opinion, the best moderator on here. AMEN The theology Forum definitely took a wrong turn upon his egress. But, rejoice always Brethren, Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olger Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 Originally Posted By: CoAspen Yep...only 14 day till Christmas!!! Stop you are panicking me!! That means that its only.............. OH NO that means its my wifes birthday TODAY!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Ya GOTTA keep your cook happy, EC !! very important.. Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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