Woody Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 We should add Obama's refusal to allow good paying jobs in America when some 20,000 were offered. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted January 23, 2012 Moderators Share Posted January 23, 2012 Ging, the least conservative and the least electable according to Coulter. I agree. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Oh what does she know? That's that lady who's rude to people sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Originally Posted By: RLH -Energy Policy -Foreign Policy -Social Policies lol lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Ging, the least conservative and the least electable according to Coulter. I agree. Sean Hannity is about the only conservative public figure I see that is really riding the Gingrich bandwagon. He has to know that Gingrich doesn't stand a chance. It makes me think that Hannity is just pushing Gingrich because a contentious primary season will mean higher ratings for his shows. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I am not sure what social policy is being referenced. Healthcare? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 He has to know that Gingrich doesn't stand a chance. What a load of left wing malarky, propaganda, and talking point. They would love for republicans to believe that. Repeating the mainstream narrative as usual I see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I guess one could classify George Will as part of the mainstream media. I don't think Governor Chris Christie is part of the mainstream media and certainly neither Ann Coulter nor Glenn Beck are. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted January 24, 2012 Moderators Share Posted January 24, 2012 Still waiting for bonnie to hit that low, slow, soft ball question out of the park... Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted January 24, 2012 Author Share Posted January 24, 2012 Still waiting for bonnie to hit that low, slow, soft ball question out of the park... Sorry,family matters and work come before answering your question.Hope you don't mind Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted January 24, 2012 Moderators Share Posted January 24, 2012 Nope, fair enough. Waiting with great patience. Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted January 24, 2012 Author Share Posted January 24, 2012 His personal character was first on my lists of what I dislike about him. 1. Jeremiah Wright,Personally I believe that whole issue was a lie on the part of Obama.Not a mistake,or something he was not aware of.Garbage he and his wife were willing to expose his two young daughter to, 2.HIs voting against comfort care for innocent aborted babies.Those that didn't have the good sense to die when they were supposed to.Nothing to do with pro-choice or pro-life.It takes a very cold blooded person that would vote to deny a innocent child for any reason what most pet owners give their pets. 3.His phony emotional "I am so choked with rage I can hardly talk" over bonuses that were already approved and part of his stimulus.Phony emotionalism is one thing,wrong tho it is.But when a president of the US fans the flames and protesters are bused into neighborhoods,terrifying families with children,it is quite another.Wonder how choked up he could have managed to be had someone been hurt,especially a child? Maybe it would have been like "I don't know what happened but the cop acted stupidly" There is more on his personal character but we will move on. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted January 24, 2012 Moderators Share Posted January 24, 2012 Do you have any sort of estimate of what proportion of Jeremiah Wright's sermons in any way touched on race issues, versus what proportion were good straight gospel teaching? The way you tell it he was a firebrand revolutionary preaching 'death to whitey' every week: seems a long, long way from the truth. If he did preach some controversial things some weeks, but fairly rarely, it's *entirely* possible that the President either did not hear them or did not consider them to be the heart of the message. Being able to distinguish whether another's emotions are real or fake is a great gift: you should do something amazing with it. Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted January 24, 2012 Author Share Posted January 24, 2012 HIs energy policy and so called enviromental concerns is hypocritical at best and and deliberately harming the US economy at worst. He is so concerned about the enviroment but causes more of the pollution in a month than most families can in a year.The life of a president has far different requirements than a typical family.But there is no reason to fly the family dog seperately from the family.I am sure that someone in the White House could be told to care for the dog in their absence. Small thing but typical of Obama's arrogance."You sacrifice,Not me" The several seperate flights to same destination, some only hours apart for he and his wife to the cost of millions be year. Mustn't have drilling here,but saw a picture of him with a big smile telling Brazil,we are going to be your best customer. Is Brazil on another planet so he doesn't have to voice his concern over the enviroment? Or is it alright for Brazilians to live in a eviromentally toxic planet? HIs phony bailing out of GM,crisis of all proportions.Bull feathers.He was prostituting himself for union votes and backing.His arrogance in telling the bondholders,Guess what?King Obama says you get the shaft,no money for you. GM would have filed bankruptcy and streamlined to a profitable venture or been taken over by one of the other car companies. The banks should never have been bailed out,nor should those that did not want a bailout been forced to take it.Arrogance. A total disregard for anything other than his vote counting Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted January 24, 2012 Moderators Share Posted January 24, 2012 Or, you know, avoiding the economy tanking further and hundreds of workers being thrown out of work... Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted January 24, 2012 Author Share Posted January 24, 2012 Or, you know, avoiding the economy tanking further and hundreds of workers being thrown out of work... He did not avoid the economy tanking further.The false unemployment numbers should show that. None of those that have just given up and are on assistance or meager partime are counter. Pretty convenient. With his policies more have been thrown out of work. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted January 24, 2012 Moderators Share Posted January 24, 2012 We could go around and around on this forever. My more general point was that your claim was that it was 'takers' who want him re-elected. What about 'givers'? It's what 'liberal' means, after all. Many of those who vote for a Democrat do so because they believe in contributing to their society, and are willing to do their part. They vote that way to give, not to take. (See also the 'Red State Socialism' graphic I posted in another thread.) Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted January 24, 2012 Author Share Posted January 24, 2012 The effect of Obamacare is beginning to be felt big time and it isn't even fully implemented. Lie,you cannot keep your own insurance and no you will not save 2500?? a year. Such a great deal waivers had to be given.Companies literally closing down so as not to deal with his monstrosity. Several,at least locally cutting way back on hours per employee and go find your own. Instead of concentrating first on the waste and fraud,which is in the millions medical services are being cut.Medicare is broke because of the idiocy that surrounds it. Many clinics here are refusing medicare/medicad patients or warning that it may come to that. Medicare and medicaid does not even cover the cost of an actual visit with all the personal involved.That goes to the one with insurance or money in the pocket.Some insurance comapanies are opting out of private family coverage. As I posted,your country doesn't seem to have found the magic bullet either,or don't the indegenous people count? Coverage cannot be granted to all equally regardless of ability to pay. Canada doesn't seem to be able to do a very good job of covering all their citizens either. My neice is a UK citizen.Lured there by the promise of free quality care.She is not the exception and she suffers a great deal under that system. She has ..diesese.Hers is mainly on the outside surrounding half her neck.Periodically she needs to have the tumor removed when it starts getting to large.In the US she was taken care of quickly when it began to impede her life.In the UK she waits untill she is basically bedridden because of the weight of the tumor.Her life expectency is not that long and she now realizes she is going to be a candidate for ealy hospice care,when here they kept on top of it Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted January 24, 2012 Moderators Share Posted January 24, 2012 In Australia we have a mixed system: free (or with a small gap payment to avoid frivolous use, waived for the poorest) with the option of private health insurance to top it up. Both my wife and I had surgery last year, me to remove two skin cancers, her to remove a large growth on her uterus, and in both cases we were admitted within weeks and received excellent care. I agree that Obama care is a dreadful solution... but the situation before it was also dreadful. Far better solutions were available - but they were *more* socialist, not less. Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted January 24, 2012 Moderators Share Posted January 24, 2012 The challenges with our indigenous people have nothing to do with our healthcare system. They are complex, and you might be quite surprised by the solutions I outlined a few years ago: http://www.bravus.com/blog/?p=524 http://www.bravus.com/blog/?p=525 Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted January 24, 2012 Author Share Posted January 24, 2012 We could go around and around on this forever. My more general point was that your claim was that it was 'takers' who want him re-elected. What about 'givers'? It's what 'liberal' means, after all. Many of those who vote for a Democrat do so because they believe in contributing to their society, and are willing to do their part. They vote that way to give, not to take. (See also the 'Red State Socialism' graphic I posted in another thread.) What liberal means and what it creates are not one and the same.On average liberals earn more and give less of their out of pocket money,their personal time,and even blood donations. Takers cover a wide range.Government jobs and yes some are necessary.Their pensions,benefits,insurance comes directly from the taxpayer.They don't pay any more taxes in generally than their non-government worker. Those contributing to Obama so heavily this year and yes there are republicans that have taken from them to contribute so while Obama is wailing about them he protects them. Those that think they have taxes taken out so what the heck,I did my bit for charity.Let the conservatives give it out of pocket.Those on welfare/foodstamps that are able to contribute to their own care should.Even if a current job is not enough to meet expenses,they should work,even if it is at MacDonalds and they can only contribute 100.00-150 to their own families needs.If a family on welfare can systematically afford needless luxuries,they should be able to contribute at least 10.00 per Dr visit.Those of us that supply those needs have to make those decisions everyday.No job training,no active work program,no money for all those physically able. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted January 24, 2012 Author Share Posted January 24, 2012 The challenges with our indigenous people have nothing to do with our healthcare system. They are complex, and you might be quite surprised by the solutions I outlined a few years ago: http://www.bravus.com/blog/?p=524 http://www.bravus.com/blog/?p=525 Challenges covering all medically in any country exists.What you purpose and what is being done is not the same. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted January 24, 2012 Author Share Posted January 24, 2012 In Australia we have a mixed system: free (or with a small gap payment to avoid frivolous use, waived for the poorest) with the option of private health insurance to top it up. Both my wife and I had surgery last year, me to remove two skin cancers, her to remove a large growth on her uterus, and in both cases we were admitted within weeks and received excellent care. I agree that Obama care is a dreadful solution... but the situation before it was also dreadful. Far better solutions were available - but they were *more* socialist, not less. I didn't say thatall did not receive quality care.The poor here are on medicaid and unfortunately some of us are stuck with medicare.Not of our choosing.We cannot get private health insurance above 20% supplemental. Regardless I have never waited weeks to be admitted unless of my choosing.My last surgery I elected to wait till my surgeon was back in the country from his hospital misson trip.Sometimes he and the rest of his group even fly into countries like yours to remote regions and brings medical care to them. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted January 24, 2012 Moderators Share Posted January 24, 2012 Oh what does she know? That's that lady who's rude to people sometimes. Is this the same RLH who has started a bunch of threads by cutting and pasting whole articles written by the same Ann Coulter? She knows nothing now? Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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