Brother Jed

July 30, 2005

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Christine Wall said:

Hence, the terms used in a previous post: "

equally

as whorish."

What do you guys/gals do with the following?

-BC- PP
-TI- Patriarchs and Prophets

-CN- 41

-CT- Apostasy at the Jordan

-PR- 02

-PG- 457

The Israelites, who could not be overcome by the arms or by the enchantments of Midian, fell a prey to her harlots. Such is the power that woman, enlisted in the service of Satan, has exerted to entrap and destroy souls. "She hath cast down many wounded: yea, many strong men have been slain by her." Proverbs 7:26. It was thus that the children of Seth were seduced from their integrity, and the holy seed became corrupt. It was thus that Joseph was tempted. Thus Samson betrayed his strength, the defense of Israel, into the hands of the Philistines. Here David stumbled. And Solomon, the wisest of kings, who had thrice been called the beloved of his God, became a slave of passion, and sacrificed his integrity to the same bewitching power.

July 30, 2005

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I think the method of his madness escapes some

and the madness in his method escapes a few

/Bevin

July 30, 2005

From his website:

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Are the actions of brother Jed (insulting and judging people, accusing people of homosexuality because they do not agree with your beliefs, praising yourself on your homepage, saying that you don't sin and that you are perfect, and overall displaying a non-loving, judgmental, and hateful attitue toward all people) the will of God. I wish for no verse or scripture. I wish only for a yes or no answer. If you are unable to give me such an answer, I can only suspect that Brother Jed does not display the actions of a Christian, therefore has no right preaching the word of God. Any fool can stand in the middle of a crowd and preach. In fact, people rather watch a fool than watch someone preaching the truth. Also, I would like to say that I do believe in God. And although I am not a perfect Christian, I do know that Jesus had compassion and loved everyone. Why then does Brother Jed and Cindy show only hatred and disgust for every student in every University.

The devil will disguise himself as a Christian and even preach the word of God. Only those that truly know the word of God will not fall to the Devil's preaching.

From what I saw that day when Jed was preaching, every true Christian attending, accused Jed of speaking the wrong word. What will it take for you and other Jed heads to see the truth. Read the Bible more openly and attend other institutions of Christ. You'll never see the truth until you realize that you are supposed to be following Jesus and brother Jed. Open your eyes and your heart. Get a different perspective on Christian like attending another Church. Brother Jed is not Jesus nor is he the only follower of God on this world. Sir, I beg that you attempt to get the real truth of God's word and not Brother Jed's version.

One last request: please answer my questions from my last letter. Please answer each question directly.

Sincerely,

Kevin Bumatay

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According to Pennsylvania law, harassment requires (1) physical contact, (2) following, or (3) a repeated course of conduct which alarms or seriously annoys and which serves no legitimate purpose.

In my opinion, and mind you I'm not a lawyer (although I have studied the law a little), by voluntarily attending Jed's preaching, he could not in any way be accused of harassing you. He did not meet any of the elements of the crime. On the other hand, when you persisted in following him and arguing with him, you most assuredly did harass him - at least under Pennsylvania's statutes.

I was not present when you confronted Jed, but I do trust his judgment. I suspect that you said something to indicate the state of your heart. I have known Jed a long time and strongly doubt that he accused you of incest because you did not agree with his teachings. As a supposed Christian you don't seem to understand even elementary things about Christianity. First let me cover the issue of judgment, or better yet, how we can judge.

You were one of those trying to instruct Jed that Christians shouldn't judge by quoting Matthew 7:1 - "Judge not lest ye be judged". But you failed to read the entire passage. Read it all before you assert it's meaning:

{1} Judge not, that ye be not judged. {2} For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. {3} And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? {4} Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? {5} Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

The Lord isn't talking about pine two by fours here. He is talking about sin and hypocrisy. When He says "then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye", He is not instructing in first aid. His plain meaning from verse 1 is that if YOU want to judge, first deal with sin in your own life (cast out the beam), and then you can judge.

The hypocrite stands condemned, in that by judging others for those things of which he himself is guilty, he condemns himself. That is why the warning is so strong. If you judge another for something you are guilty of this verse stands as a warning - God is not mocked - For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged. Now it seems to me, that in condemning Jed for judging, you are judging. Since you dis-allow judging, by judging Jed, you condemn yourself. You need to take that warning to heart.

Your primary error, is that you assume God hates judgment because you hate judgment.

(1) Concerning Abraham, the scripture have God saying this: For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment. Gen 18:19

(2) Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God. He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he. Deu 32:3-4

(3) I put on righteousness, and it clothed me: my judgment was as a robe and a diadem. Job 29:14 Job was a man to whom God himself ascribed perfection.

(4) For the word of the LORD is right; and all his works are done in truth. He loveth righteousness and judgment: the earth is full of the goodness of the LORD. Ps 33:4-5

(5) Depart from evil, and do good; and dwell for evermore. For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off. Ps 37:27-28

(6) Justice and judgment are the habitation of thy throne: mercy and truth shall go before thy face. Ps 89:14

(7) For the LORD will not cast off his people, neither will he forsake his inheritance. But judgment shall return unto righteousness: and all the upright in heart shall follow it. Ps 94:14-15

(8) ...righteousness and judgment are the habitation of his throne. Ps 97:2b

(9) Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that doeth righteousness at all times. Ps 106:3 That's right Kevin, there is a special blessing on those who keep judgment.

(10) Then stood up Phinehas, and executed judgment: and so the plague was stayed. And that was counted unto him for righteousness unto all generations for evermore. Ps 106:30-31 Phinehas killed two people with a spear. God was so pleased that he executed judgment that he gave him an everlasting ministry. There is only one other person in all of scripture with an everlasting ministry, and that is Jesus himself.

(11) Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds.

Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand;

To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people;

To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron;

To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD. Ps 149:5-9 This passage says that judgment is an honor given to the saints.

(12) To do justice and judgment is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice... It is joy to the just to do judgment: Proverbs 21:3,15

(13) There is one passage that Christians love to quote and it is Isaiah 1:18: "Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool." This is a wonderful invitation from the Lord.

But how many Christians read what comes before in Isaiah 1:15-17: "And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood. Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil; Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow. Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool."

Any fool could see that the invitation comes after certain conditions. Of course these conditions can only be met through Christ, but even still, these are things we should be seeking from Him. Seek Judgment we are commanded!

(14) But the LORD of hosts shall be exalted in judgment, and God that is holy shall be sanctified in righteousness.

Is 5:16

(15) And therefore will the LORD wait, that he may be gracious unto you, and therefore will he be exalted, that he may have mercy upon you: for the LORD is a God of judgment: blessed are all they that wait for him. Is 30:18

(16) Even concerning Jesus, Isaiah prophesied about him in Is 42:1-4: "Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law."

(17) Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment. Is 59:15 That's right Kevin, it displeases God that there is no judgment. God destroyed Israel because there was no righteous judgment!

(18) For I the LORD love judgment, Is 61:8a

At this point, most sin-excusers start trying to disannul the scriptures by saying "But that is in the old testament - we are under a new covenant". What did Jesus say about judgment?

In Matthew 23:23, in upbraiding the pharisees, Jesus said: "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone." Jesus says judgment is one of the weightier matters of the law which he said "ought ye to have done".

In another rendering in Luke 11:42, it is written thusly: "But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone." Can you comprehend this, Kevin, that Jesus was putting judgment on a par with the Love of God? He wasn't rebuking them for judging but was rebuking them for NOT judging.

In truth Jesus commands this: John 7:24 "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." If Jesus intended to outlaw all judgment in Matthew 7:1, why would he command us to judge in John 7:24? Indeed what Jesus was outlawing was hypocrites like you judging. If you want to judge brother Jed, first come into obedience to Jesus yourself, you preach Jesus faithfully in obedience to His commandment to preach the gospel to all the world, and then come and reason with him.

These verses are admonitions to you. There are a couple of verses that speak to how you view judgment.

(1) Cease, my son, to hear the instruction that causeth to err from the words of knowledge. An ungodly witness scorneth judgment: Proverbs 19:27-28

(2) Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things. Proverbs 28:5

and

(3) For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? We who preach have been through that beginning. God sent us out to warn the rest.

Do you know who will be doing the judging of the world, Kevin? I Cor 6:2-3 "Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?"

Is judging a "Christian action"? Absolutely! After reading all this scripture on judging, I command you in the name of the Lord to repent, and to seek the Lord to learn righteous judgment. Your position on judgment places you among the ungodly and evil men.

Of course he believes different from us Adventists, but he does make one think outside the box.

July 30, 2005

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Robert said:

What do you guys/gals do with the following?

This is not applicable to the words posted previously, "equally as whorish." The term "equally" was used in reference to the information given that these young men anticipated and desired sexual immorality with these young women.

To use a worn out expression, they got what they asked for.

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While it is true that men (and women) can be seduced by anything (or anyone) in Satan's employ, it is also true that God can save the very same men (and women) from temptation.

The blame for sinning lies with the sinner. It is up to the sinner to pray for deliverance and to seek help with any particular temptation.

July 31, 2005

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Christine Wall said:

...it is true that men (and women) can be seduced by anything....

Not necessarily true....I would never be tempted to hit Mike Tyson! Why? People are generally tempted by the power they have.

Again, I do not have the skills to defeat Mike Tyson...hence I wouldn't be tempted to get into a boxing match with him. But if I had a gun suddenly the temptation would become very real. By the squeeze of a trigger my flesh knows I could blot out life. That's temptation....

Generally speaking woman have the power of sexuality. If you doubt me take a look at the Internet! Whose is doing the tempting in all those porno sites? Right, mostly women....In this arena the unregenerative man doesn't stand a chance!

Now take a look at Mat 5:27, 28

“You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’ But I tell you that anyone who looks [:"red"]at a woman[/] lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

Notice it doesn't read anyone who looks at a man...although that does go on, even then it’s not the same!

E.G., if a good looking man walked into a room with females at a bar and invited them for sex most likely the women would call the police. But if a good looking woman entered a bar and invited the guys for sex you'd have an orgy....It happens....

So Shane has a point.... Unspiritual women have the bewitching power of sexuality! Just ask Samson....

Rob

July 31, 2005

...and yet, if a woman walks into a bar and asks another woman for sex, she'd likely get punched in the face.

Men allow this temptation to continue. It is not a natural thing for a woman to entice a man with sexuality--it is something that is learned through positive reinforcement. A man doesn't look at a woman for her beauty inside, he looks at her for the beauty outside; hence, if a woman wants to win the heart of a man, she must make herself beautiful on the outside. It is a result of this kind of reinforcement that society has the pornographic industry. Men look for pornography. Men want women who fill the lustful desires of their hearts.

If it were such that men wanted women for their ability to reproduce, there'd be sites on the Internet demonstrating women's reproductive abilities. Women cater to men's desires.

Also, if a man asks for sex with a woman and she is not interested, she MUST call the police or some other protective service--men take sex by force and women are not as strong as men.

The point is, women use their seductive wiles to win men's hearts--there seems to be very few other ways to do it. If men are tempted by these women, it is because men have asked for it and men continue to allow it.

Taking this a step further, please note that the church is represented by woman as is Satan's temptress. The Church-woman does not use her sexuality to lure man(kind), she uses truth, love and purity. Satan's Temptress uses any means available to her--sex being one of the easiest ways to lure man(kind).

It is up to the man(kind) to seek which woman he is after. It is up to the man(kind) to propagate this type of behavior in the woman with whom he associates; and to denounce the immoral behavior of the other.

There is a choice; the choice rests with the sinner.

July 31, 2005

The is a big difference between the converted and unconverted man and woman. In the context of this thread, Brother Jed preaches to the unconverted. So when he warns young men of whorish women, it is in the context of them being unconverted.

The coverted man will look for a woman that will make him a good wife with qualities of loyality, love for God, generosity, patiences and kindness. He will look for a woman that will be a good mother for his children that will read to them, care for their illness, cook and pamper them.

The converted woman will look for a man that will make a good husband and father. A man that loves God, one that is loyal, isn't resentful, isn't quick to anger, has self-control, is ambitious, repects his mother and other female authorites in his life and will help her with the household chores. She looks for a man to father her children who will be a spiritual leader in the home, play with their children, help the children with homework and help put them to bed.

However Brother Jed's ministry isn't focused on these reasonable, converted people. He takes the Word of God to the uncoverted and allows the Holy Spirit to convict them of their sin.

July 31, 2005

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He takes the Word of God to the uncoverted and allows the Holy Spirit to convict them of their sin.

When using the idea that these women are the one's causing them to sin, however, it doesn't allow the unconverted man the opportunity to see his own sin. The blame seems to be on the women who are acting in an ungodly manner.

July 31, 2005

Probverbs 6:24-26 "To keep thee from the evil woman, from the flattery of the tongue of a strange woman. Lust not after her beauty in thine heart; neither let her take thee with her eyelids. For by means of a whorish woman a man is brought to a piece of bread: and the adulteress will hunt for the precious life."

Blaming the woman for falling into sin is the same as blaming the gun for someone getting killed. It is like Eve blaming the serpant for giving her the fruit. Yet we need to warn our sons of the whiles of a woman.

This is especially true today when stores like Abercrombie & Fitch are marketing "whorish" clothing to 10 and 12 year girls. Thus girls are being trained to flaunt their sexuality, in many cases, before they are even in puberty. Pornography is also available like never before. That also serves as a great temptation which becomes "every man's battle".

July 31, 2005

Yes!

Absolutely!

Thanks for posting this.

Men (and boys) do need to be wary of whorish women. What is bothersome about Brother Jed's caution, however, is that he clearly stated that the young men were looking forward to spending time with these whorish women. Nowhere did it state that they were looking to have a wholesome time in college; thus, placing blame on the women for destroying the young men's lives--not demonstrating that it was the young men who were at fault* for seeking the sinful opportunities.

*In no way does this mean that the young ladies were not equally at fault for their own sins.

July 31, 2005

Remember that Brother Jed is preaching the word in a way to convict college students of their need for Christ. He uses language and parables that most church folks abhor. However he is speaking to the people in their own language. But he gives no one a pass on anything.

July 31, 2005

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In the context of this thread, Brother Jed preaches to the unconverted. So when he warns young men of whorish women, it is in the context of them being unconverted.

ROFLOL

The young men fall into a spectrum - from those who are LOOKING for any girl who will engage in sexual activity with them, to those who are not looking for any girl at all.

The young women fall into a spectrum - from those who are LOOKING for any man who will engage in sexual activity with them, to those who are not looking for any man at all.

Brother Jed would be better off throwing away his pornographic material and teaching sensible material about making good life-style choices.

/Bevin

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