petro prices

[Dr. Shane]

We don't know what the specific tempentures have been in various places throughout the past. We don't know how much rain has fallen in various areas during specific years over the past centuries. We don't know about cload cover or specific CO2 levels in the environment. We just don't have enough records of the climate over a long period of time to know if we are in a long-tem cycle.

I do not believe environmental alarmists are wrong. I believe they may well be right. I simply do not believe they should put forth their claims as facts. Their claims are disputed and although they may be right... they may be wrong. In either case we should be good stewarts of the Earth. I am very much an environmentalist.

[Paul Beach]

Dear friends,

Mrs. Gray has been thinking about this for some time now, and perhaps she will do it. We need to all prepare emergency kits with food, etc., to help us survive for at least a week. It doesn't have to be anything gourmet, but something is better than nothing.

And it may be a good idea to get bicycles in good working order with extra tubes for the tires, pumps, etc. Other things are a hand crank radio, a crank recharger for a cell phone, and a similar flashlight system. We should also have an idea where our irreplacable papers and valuables are so we can grab them and conceal them so as not to get stolen easily. Maybe keep them in the inner pocket of a raincoat or something in your closet so you can grab it and be on your way.

Mrs. Gray is convinced that we are about to experience huge catastrophes like we've never seen before within the next few years. The prophecies are being fulfilled like puzzle pieces, and if nothing else, we can learn from Katrina that life change change PROFOUNDLY very QUICKLY. We need to get ready in this calm just before the global storm, and these are simple things we can all do within the next few months.

A week ago this time, you would have thought that Mrs. Gray was crazy for making this urgent a suggestion, but now it makes sense. Do this on Sunday so you can have it all ready to go.

Sincerely,

Mrs. Gray

[Amelia]

I think its generally a good idea to have extra copies of important papers along with any emergency provisions. I have a satchel packed that I can grab in case of pretty much anything. Unless Im out of the house when the anything happens.

[Naomi]

Mrs. Gray,

I do believe you are correct in our preparing to care for ourselves.

In the 50ties and early 60ties my mother was very active in Red Cross work. We were all taught how to make and always keep emergency supplies always available. Over the years I have endured a lot of teasing but "train up a child in the way they should go" I have continued to do so. It's important, we control only 10% of what will effect our life.

Petro here is now $3.38 for regular u/l and climbing.

I don't think most people realized the importantance of the Port Of New Orleans in providing access oil, gas, food, etc. to the rest of the country.

[Dr. Shane]

I don't know what the folks in New Orleans were told by their local governments. But here in South Texas we are always being told how to prepare for a huricane or tropical storm. Food, water, radio, batteries, candles, oil lamps, camp stoves and a lot of folks have generators.

Did you know that most homes have 40 gallons of fresh water in a sealed resevoir? It is often in a closet, basement of above the ceiling. It is inside your hot water heater. Do you think all the folks in New Orleans know that? They should.

[cricket]

Never thought about that. But, if that reservior is under water (our's is in the basement) then, how would we get the water out so that it would stay clean?

[Dr. Shane]

Since the water table is so high in New Orleans, it is not likely many people have basements. The most common place for a water heater in a home without a basement is in the attic above the bathtub or bathroom sink. Sometimes they are in a closet, which in New Orleans probbally means under water.

[Gregory Matthews]

Shane, think about it for a minute. As installed in your home, you can only remove water from a hot water heater as you replace it with other water. The replacement water comes from the intake water line which is attached to your water system. That water is caontaminated. You do not know the point of the contamination. The contamination may be a short distance outside of you home. In this case, you could not get 40 gallons of clean water out, and you do not know the point at which it would be contaminated.

Yes, you could turn off the intake valve. But, you cannot get water out of a closed system. I once needed to replace the washer on the drain valve on a hot water heater. I simply closed the intake valve, removed the drain valve, and replceed the washer. Only a few drips of water came out while the valve was removed, for the reason I have stated.

Here is what one would have to do to use the 40 gallons of water without getting it contaminated. One would have to disconnect the inlet water line betweent he shut-off valve and the water heater. This could be done by either cutting it, or by disconnecting it at a soddered joint. Once that was done, one could gain access to the water in the tank.

Is this realistic? Only if you think the typical person, in a flodded home, has access to the above needed tourch, and tools, and knows how to use them.

[Dr. Shane]

It isn't that hard, Brother Matthews. There is a preasure release valve on the top of the water heater and a hose bibb on the bottem. All you have to do is open the valve on top and drain the water from below. You can even connect a garden hose to the hose bibb so you don't spill any. Those living in areas subject to natural disasters where the city water preasure can be lost should know this.

[Gregory Matthews]

Very good point, Shane. I should have thought of that.

[Neil D]

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The most common place for a water heater in a home without a basement is in the attic above the bathtub or bathroom sink. Sometimes they are in a closet, which in New Orleans probbally means under water.

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It has been my observation, at least here in the west [this includes California, Washington, Idaho, Nevada AND Oregon], the water heater is found in a wash room, aka laundry room, or a bathroom. It is also found, MANY times in the garage.

I have NEVER found a water heater in the attic and only occassionally seen one in a basement. Perhaps that is the norm in building codes east of the Rockys....

[Lil Star]

Mine is in the closet. I am east of the Rockies.

[Dr. Shane]

I have also seen them in the attic of a garage. It needs a visable drain so when it rusts out and starts leaking the home owner will see it. Here in Southern Texas we don't have basements and it is quite common to have them in the attic above something with a drain - bathtub, laundry sink or hand sink. In Minnesota they were mostly in the basement with the furnance, washer and dryer where they would drain into a sump.

I don't know how LA construction is execpt that the water table is very high so I doubt they have basements.

[Naomi]

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I have NEVER found a water heater in the attic and only occassionally seen one in a basement. Perhaps that is the norm in building codes east of the Rockys.... <img src="/ubbtreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

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In some cases it is. Personally I would not put my hot water heater in the attic.

[Dr. Shane]

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Sister Naomi, since you live in Texas, your attic would be a great place for it. Water heaters give off heat which increases the cost of cooling your home. Since your attic isn't conditioned air it wouldn't impact your cooling. In fact, since attics in Texas get so hot, it would take less energy to heat the water and keep it hot. So you would save energy in two ways. <img src="/ubbtreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Best place is above your tub so when it starts leaking it doesn't make a mess. If you look in some homes and apartments you will see a little tube in the ceiling above the tub or the bathroom sink. That tube is the water heater drain.

[Stan]

please start another thread on water heaters... or emergency sources of water

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[ChildofChrist]

I watched the fuel prices climb here in west Nashville. Last evening I was really amused by the news of college students that dealt with the fuel shortage by riding horses to school.

For one couple on the news, their motorcycles were quickly becoming their preferred mode of transport. My ward has a bicycle but even if it was in ready state for him to take the 3 miles to school, how would he balance his oversized backpack, laptop, and lunch bag going up and down a couple of good inclines on a narrow road?

The last time, 2 years back, I fell from a bike a second time and decided that next time I may end up in a body cast so that option is out for me. Yes, I'd like to get a smaller vehicle but the finances just aren't there.

I lived in FL for about 40 years and I am well accustomed to the importance of readiness. For years we had a gas cook top. When we went to electric, it was decided to invest in some camping cooktops. One March Sabbath morning, the storm of the century hit Lake county. On the way to church, huge pines were as toothpicks, broken. We were out of electric for 4 days. Yes, there was a LP gas heater but nothing to push the warm air around...we were instantly in a winter grasp rather than spring.

Hurricane Katrina was the opening fodder for the SS lesson this morning. Some felt that those who stubbornly remained behind, got what they deserved. I didn't argue, but I did see the other side of the coin. People living from paycheck to paycheck were just unable to give up the little they had, let alone, get out of Dodge.

It was mentioned that gang members armed with guns stolen from shops took over hospitals in the attempt to seize drugs. Seems to me that this should be a wake up call and provisions made to deal with such a possiblity happening. There had been an evacuation plan made a year or two back and practiced. Sad to say when the time came, they forgot all about it down there. Sounds like the fall of Jerusalem, don't you think?

By the way, Dickson county, where I attend church (when I get that way ) fuel was 20 cents less!

[Frank M]

Here in Western Colorado, unleaded regular (85) was $3.13 and leaded (89) was $3.23 on my way to church this morning. On my way back, I saw one at $3.29 for regular unleaded.

[Michelle]

My MIL called this morning and it's in the 3.30s in SW Michigan. We're still at the equivalent of US 5.50 and headed slowly up, though not related to the hurricane (ours started going up in the middle of last month). Cost the equivalent of $100 USD to fill up our 18 gallon tank. ($760 HKD)

M

[Naomi]

This morning, $4.29 Regular U/L

[Michelle]

YIKES!

M

[Dr. Shane]

Half of Damaged Refineries Near Restarting

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Eight major refineries that produce gasoline, diesel and jet fuel and heating oil were knocked out of commission and the output at two others was cut by last week's killer hurricane and the flooding that followed. That cut overall U.S. refining capacity by more than 10 percent and contributed to a surge in retail gasoline prices and spot shortages around the country.

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The Gulf of Mexico normally produces 1.5 million barrels of crude oil a day, or about a quarter of the United States' domestic output, according to the U.S. Mineral Management Service.

The agency on Monday afternoon reported that about 70 percent of oil production remains shut in.

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[CyberGuy]

I am paying $3.00 a gallon for 87 octane 60 miles east of L.A.

I have read that gas would be close to $5 a gallon if gas prices had kept pace with inflation since 1960. We are spoiled here in the USA. In Europe the price is close to $5 to $6 a gallon.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050529/news_mz1b29gastax.html

Americans should not be driveing so many SUV's that are gas hogs.

[Derrell M]

Yes, we are spoiled and I would like to continue being spoiled. That's one of the many things I love about this country.

SUVs are gas hogs? So are the larger Lincolns and Cadillacs. Out here in the rural mid-west "you aint nuthin' if you don't got a pickup" and the bigger the better. Why aren't the folk who are in a wad about SUVs crying out against pickups and the other gas hogs?

I drive a Ford car that gets 18-20 mpg, and I have a friend with an SUV that gets the same gas mileage.

[lazarus]

Praise the Lord for Gas Prices in America. They're paying nearly $1.80/litre in the UK for Gas. There are 3.8 litres to 1 US Gallon. Work it out.

In everything give thanks!