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September 10, 2005

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Taylor said:

We need to see through God's "rose tinted glasses" and see people as what they "can be" through God's help.

Amen, brother. Just like Jesus.

[:"red"] "What this means is that those who become Christians become new persons. They are not the same anymore, for the old life is gone. A new life has begun!

All this newness of life is from God, who brought us back to himself through what Christ did. And God has given us the task of reconciling people to him. For God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, no longer counting people's sins against them. This is the wonderful message he has given us to tell others. " [/]

2 Cor 5:17-19 NLT

Keep the faith!

September 10, 2005

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Naomi said:

Whoa, Texas Princess! <img src="/ubbtreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Spoken like a true Texan. I'm glad I'm not living in that Texas town where there is a public

ordinance to carry a sidearm. I'm agin' totin' firearms, and you don't sound much like a pacifist to me. <img src="/ubbtreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I don't mind being quoted, and will stand by my statements. However, I must question being quoted by someone who quotes me with a blank quote. Rather makes one wonder exactly what you are referencing. Please show me exactly when I said that I am "agin' totin'firearms," or anything like that!

Show me, where I have even claimed to be a pacifist ... or invited you to come live in my town. Show me where I have said anything to warrant your hostile response!! Truth is I will go to the wall to help anyone, of any race. Next week I will be in the middle of the devastation in NO to help all those who I can help. Where will you be, what are you doing to help? What I will not allow is having my blood to be spilt without at least trying to protect myself.

Can you honestly say the same about yourself?

If you choose to make race an issue. For several days after the hurricane hit I drove many miles, picked up a family of another race, kept them in my home. Fed them, bought new clothes, took the baby to the hospital for treatments. When the baby was able to travel, I paid quite a lot of money for bus fare to send them to the home of relatives. I do not have much money to pay my own expenses, but it was the right thing to do. What did you do to help the situation?

I will not backup to anyone for desiring to protect my constitutional rights. Will you?

OTOH, before you start calling people out, perhaps you should consider getting out of your easy chair, out of your area, go to any major city in our country, actually world. Check out the areas that are not there just for tourist, get into the culture of the area(s). Put yourself out there, see for yourself who has the firearms, the amo. Many weapons which are rapid fire, heavy military units ... hidden ... out of sight

That is world we all live in.

Thank you,

Naomi

September 10, 2005

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Neil D said:

And yet, if they were honest Christians, they could interact with each other and have a great relationship.

She is a wise black woman.

Excellent!

September 10, 2005

Naomi,

I did not say I lurked.

I weighed in on this issue because I felt as if it were one where I could make a contribution. What other intentions would I have other than to be part of this discussion board....PLEASE TELL ME! i'm really interested to know.

God bless you for your willingness and ability to go and help. Don't judge my contribution. You simply don't know what it is.

I really haven't put alot of effort in trying to make race an issue here. I simply trying to present a perpective.

I know some of you are irritated and perhaps angered by what I have said but look again at what Bravus said

"Perceptions have the same consequences as realities"

By the way don't assume I am African American. I am not.

September 10, 2005

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"Perceptions have the same consequences as realities"

Explain this.

I know realities of racism.

Denial of job opportunities
Denial of job promotion
Denial of memberships (church, clubs, civic groups, etc)
Denail of help (roadside assitance, natural disaster)
Denial of housing
Denial of entrance (theater, resturaunt, etc)

September 10, 2005

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Naomi said:

go help

Can you honestly say the same about yourself?

What did you do to help the situation?

I will not backup to anyone for desiring to protect my constitutional rights. Will you?

Thank you,

Naomi

I give up. I know my works are not sufficient to absolve me

of guilt.

[:"red"] " Love does not demand its own way. " [/]

1 Cor 13:4 NLT

[:"red"] "I do not say this to reproach or condemn [you], for I have said before that you are [nested] in our hearts, [and you will remain there] together [with us], whether we die or live." [/] 2 Corinthians 7:3 AMP

Blessings!

September 10, 2005

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lazarus said:

Naomi,

I did not say I lurked.

I weighed in on this issue because I felt as if it were one where I could make a contribution.

Lazarus,

I do apologize to you for misreading your opening statement. Certainly you can make a contribution here, and I feel certain that you will continue to do so in many areas.

Naomi

September 10, 2005

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lazarus said:

God bless you for your willingness and ability to go and help.

Welcome to the viscitudes of C/A, Lazurus. I was surprised to see you back. You will probably find, if you haven't already, that many see other's comments through their own personal fears and it has little to do with your kind intent. Even I was somewhat taken aback by your initial introduction post, but chose to let things develop before my own comment.

Now I see you are subject to the same influence of misconceptions that sometimes makes it difficult to get your point across without offending.

Though you didn't ask for them, I thought it would be good to refer to two principles I make effort to practice, though not perfectly, to find peace in what can sometimes be interpreted as hostile environments.

[:"red"] "Love..... , is ever ready to believe the best of every person, its' hopes are fadeless under all circumstances," [/] 1 Cor 13:7 AMP

[:"red"] "Great peace have they who love Your law; nothing shall offend them or make them stumble." [/] Psalm 119:165 AMP

Go in peace! Happy Sabbath!

September 11, 2005

Wow,

this is a lively discussion!

Apology accepted, Naomi

Thanks, LifeHiscost

September 11, 2005

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lazarus said:

Wow,

this is a lively discussion!

Apology accepted, Naomi

Thanks, LifeHiscost

Lazarus,

Guess it didn't work. Sorry. <img src="/ubbtreads/images/graemlins/smilie_zoom.gif" alt="" />

Naomi

September 11, 2005

Life, I'm on the way out but couldn't leave without addressing your post #187314. LOL and the typo which you used backup instead of what I meant to say, backdown.

I realize that you pick and choose in an effort to make your point abd sometimes thru your postings I have observed that some quotes are out of context. However, that is not important and has no bearing on this issue.

Actually Leon, I would love to keep this shorter but it seems difficult but for follow-up and then I give up

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Whoa, Texas Princess! Spoken like a true Texan. I'm glad I'm not living in that Texas town where there is a public ordinance to carry a sidearm. I'm agin' totin' firearms, and you don't sound much like a pacifist to me.

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Hope you have a happy Sabbath, little lady! Keep the faith!

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What part of your post was not meant to be insulting and inflammatory? You don't even know for sure in what town I live ... for that matter what state(s) I spend my time.

Again, I ask from where were you quoting me?

Everyone is uptight over the use of a word. Granted it was a poor choice. Given the chaos at the time, the degree of shock and awe being witnessed, it is not so difficult to understand why one person would have picked up on it and it just stuck. The word is not being used, nor has it been used for quite sometime. It's just one of those things, everyone needs to let go and focus on the more serious issues at hand.

Go out into any city in our land and see ... really get down, look ... see how the poor of all nationalities live. We have serious problems in a country which allows you and me to put our thoughts out for the world to see. Problems far greater than you see on CNN or other media clips. We are a country coming apart. The depths of the poor, drug users, gangs, and violent crimes are so deep that for the most part they are kept "under wraps" and it takes something truly shocking to see what is happening. It is not a race problem, it is a poverty problem. Greater in warmer Clements because people can live all year with less fuel and clothing.

Next week most good church-going people will still be in their comfortable homes, and this will be a passing memory. They can send care packages and pass the plate. And, those are good things. They can argue about the meaning of a verse in their Bibles. Dissect and judge actions of others, make judgmental statements. Argue with the preacher or deacon about important stuff, such as who wears what attar, or, who should greet people at the door, or should the entry to the churche be modernized? The poor of all races in many countries will still be hungry, afraid, and have no hope. Children will be used, abused, often killed by people committing senseless acts without understanding why they are doing such deeds.

In this time of crisis should we not all take stock and do what can be done to bring all people together? Instead of spending energies provoking an even uglier situation? Is it Christianly to sit back, do some arm chair quarterbacking? Or is it perhaps some entertainment. Something to watch to see how far it can go before our country literally comes apart.

We are all idealistic, and idealism works to a point. Especially if you are far enough away from the "hot spots"

You can judge me as you choose. You can call me what you wish. LOL I am quite sure I have been called much worse than you may call me, many times. All I am asking is that perhaps everyone should consider the possibility that during this time of crisis perhaps we refrain from further provacation.

I have attempted to point out for the past couple of weeks that peoples of all stations in life have suffered. An attempt, on some basic level, try to help people understand that all people have suffered and lost ... to please focus on the immediate solution. There is much time in the future to dissect the actions of those involved.

But, I understand that perhaps, other than on TV, perhaps you've been protected from seeing the uglier side of our society. God Bless You! In person it is much more profound. There is a great deal of difference between theory and practice.

Why don't we pray for some cohesiveness in the face of chaos. I am far from perfect, but when I am in areas which have suffered I attempt to provide some hope, some cohesiveness, something to rebuild upon. God is our rock, physical necessities are our just that ... necessary.

Yes, we are all one in Christ Jesus Gal. 3:28 and Col. 3:11 I couldn't agree more. I have, know, and believe my Bible.

Won't have the time or energy to be around for a couple of months and wanted to attempt to mend a fence.

Blessings,

Naomi

If you're not a part of the solution, you're a part of the problem.

September 12, 2005

just butting in here, not a reply to anyone in particular...

Racism can be a weird thing.

When I was an intern working at a small country hospital, there were two of us on duty in the emergency room one night. Myself (very fair, blonde, green-eyed Polish gal) and a guy who was half-Aussie and half-Indian (and had a light olive complexion which could have been easily confused for Italian/Greek or Latino).

My colleague was subjected to a lengthy diatribe which included terms like "n#gg@r" and "%*&#ing black #@&*", from a very large, very drunk and extremely black Aboriginal person whom we were attempting to render medical assistance to." Whereas I, as "whitey", got not a word.

Go figure.

aldona

September 12, 2005

I am surprised you were not railed on for being a woman.

Don't you know your place is in the home - barefoot and pregnant... hahahahahahhaha

September 12, 2005

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Naomi said:

You can call me what you wish. LOL I am quite sure I have been called much worse than you may call me, many times.

Yes, we are all one in Christ Jesus Gal. 3:28 and Col. 3:11 I couldn't agree more. I have, know, and believe my Bible.

Won't have the time or energy to be around for a couple of months and wanted to attempt to mend a fence.

Blessings,

Naomi

Consider the fence mended, Naomi. I won't even ask what it was I called you, unless it was the term, "little lady", which as I can best recall, came from a Gary Cooper western movie of some years ago. That's the danger of depending on movies to say anything from the entertainment industry that has anything to do with the truth, for as I recall it, he wasn't being meanspirited at all, at the time he said it.

I'm not going to say anything else as it seems I'm having enough difficulty getting foot out of mouth.

Keep looking up and God bless!!

September 12, 2005

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Shane said:

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"Perceptions have the same consequences as realities"

Explain this.

Freddie did not get a job that he inteviewed for. His perception was that he did not get the job because he was white. In fact he didn't get the job because he didn't have the right computer specialism.

FOR FREDDIE the perception that he had been discriminated against had the same consequence as if he had actually been discriminated against. He didn't get the job.

The race issue is a highly subjective one. Thats the problem!

I think it was CNN that had a poll yesterday that said

65% of blacks thought race WAS a factor in the response to Katrina. 64% of whites thought race was NOT a factor.

How do we explain that? How do we deal with that? We could dismiss people's perceptions and say just "get over it". Maybe we can try to understand and continue to dialogue.

Forgive me if my attempt to quote does not work properly.

September 12, 2005

Even more than the fact that Freddie didn't get the job, his perception that the reason was race will potentially make him angry about affirmative action legislation, and make him vote for someone who would get rid of it. (this is just an example from my imagination, of course - maybe it will just make him surly to his black co-workers in his next job) The perception, erroneous or not, has real effects in the world.

In the same way, if 2/3 of black people think race was an issue here, it's not good enough to simply dismiss it as 'they're wrong', since their perception has real consequences in their future attitudes and actions.

September 12, 2005

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it was CNN that had a poll yesterday that said

65% of blacks thought race WAS a factor in the response to Katrina. 64% of whites thought race was NOT a factor.

How do we explain that?

Easy to explain. Jesse Jackson and Al Franken are out there saying race is an issue and many blacks believe them.

While "Freddie" may believe himself to be a victem of racism, if he reviews that statistics he would see otherwise. His preception doesn't change the facts. It is like the the theif who steals from others claiming he is a victem himself. He can believe whatever he wants but it doesn't change the facts.

September 12, 2005

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Shane said:

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Easy to explain. Jesse Jackson and Al Franken are out there saying race is an issue and many blacks believe them.

I had to laugh out loud whe I read that...Al Franken!!!! Al Franken! hey what about...Al Green...Al Gore....Al Joiner....Al Jezirah...Al Pacino..black people listen to Al Franken and....lol...lol

Even with Jackson black folks are a little skeptical...he's a reverend but he's also a politician.

So black people hear these guys and say "duh...oh, it must be true."

And White folks on the other hand come to the right conculsion all by themselves or hear others say "race is not involved" and think about it for a while (with a profound objectivity of course) and then decide.....race is not involved.

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He can believe whatever he wants but it doesn't change the facts.

what are the facts about racism Shane?

September 13, 2005

There is a lot of real racism out there and minorities do their cause harm by always crying wolf.

September 18, 2005

I get it now..

Why did the Untra-conservatives like Limbaugh, Vanity, et all hate the movie "The Day after Tomorrow" SO MUCH?

It showed Americans as refugess who had to flee across the border to Mexico.

But wait...they didn't object this time...mmmmmm

September 18, 2005

Hard to walk in another person's shoes when you are a white American male.

K

September 18, 2005

His last name is Hanity not Vanity. What about him makes him "ultra" conservative as opposed to just a regular conservative?

NOTE: I am not a big fan of Sean Hanity - although I do know how to spell his name. <img src="/ubbtreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I actually think Alan Combs comes off as a much nicer guy.

September 18, 2005

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Hard to walk in another person's shoes when you are a white American male.

It is a lot easier when you live in an area that is 87% minority and are part of an inter-racial marriage. White American is far away from me.

September 18, 2005

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Shane said:

His last name is Hanity not Vanity. What about him makes him "ultra" conservative as opposed to just a regular conservative?

I listen to Michael Savage sometimes. Rush Limbaugh=Hush Bimbo, and Sean Hannity=Sean Vanity.

"satire should like a polished razor, wound with a touch that is scarcely felt or seen."

What follows is a bit crude but its sunday afternoon anyway....

There are regular conservatives like Mc Cain, George H W Bush, Powell, Gulliani who are basically in favor of state's rights, limitations on federal spending, and decreased power for the federal government,

Then there is:

Ann Coulter (she's the craziest), Bolton, Limbaugh, Vanity, Bill Kristol, Pat Robertson they like the above and go a bit further

family values in government, laws or constitutional amendments against induced abortion, gay marriage, and pornography.

These things in themselves are not examples of extreemism but just check out what they say about various issues and you'll see their "ultra".

But don't forget one man's ultra is another mans regular!

September 18, 2005

There are political tests that place one on a graph so that one man's ultra isn't another man's conservative.

McCain, George H W Bush, Powell and Gulliani are moderates that lean conservative (much like me). Coulter, Limbaugh, Hanity, Kristol and Pat Robertson are all conservatives - some moreso than others. Ultra conservatives, like ultra liberals, embrace wacky conspiracy theories and are very anti-government.

However some people are so far left that anything to the right of them, including moderates, they believe are conservative. Others are so far right that anything left of them, including moderates, they believe to be liberal.

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