bonnie Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Indonesia executes 6 drug convicts, including 5 foreigners NINIEK KARMINIJan 18th 2015 8:34A JAKARTA, Indonesia (AP) - Indonesia executed by firing squad five foreigners and an Indonesian woman convicted on drug trafficking charges despite appeals to spare them, with the government defending the action as necessary to combat the rising drug trade. Four men from Brazil, Malawi, Nigeria and the Netherlands and the Indonesian woman were shot to death simultaneously in pairs just after midnight Saturday, several kilometers (miles) from a high security prison on Nusakambangan island. The other woman from Vietnam was executed in Boyolali, according to Attorney General Office's spokesman Tony Spontana. Both areas are in Central Java province. Their bodies were brought from the island by ambulances early Sunday either for burial or cremation, as requested by relatives and representatives of their embassies. President Joko Widodo in December rejected their clemency requests. He also refused a last-minute appeal by Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff and the Dutch government to spare their countrymen - Brazilian Marco Archer Cardoso Moreira, 53, and Ang Kiem Soe, 52, who was born in Papua but whose nationality is Dutch. Dutch Foreign Minister Bert Koenders said in a statement late Saturday he had temporarily recalled the country's ambassador to Indonesia and summoned Indonesia's representative in The Hague to protest Ang's execution. He said it was carried out despite King Willem-Alexander and Prime Minister Mark Rutte personally contacting Widodo. He called the execution "a cruel and inhumane punishment ... an unacceptable denial of human dignity and integrity." Amnesty International said the first executions under the new president, who took office in November, were "a retrograde step" for human rights. Indonesia's Attorney General Muhammad Prasetyo has said there is no excuse for drug dealers and, "hopefully, this will have a deterrent effect." Prasetyo said the new government had a firm commitment to fight against drugs. Widodo has said he would not grant clemency to 64 drug convicts on death row. "What we do is merely aimed at protecting our nation from the danger of drugs," Prasetyo told reporters Thursday. He said figures from the National Anti-Narcotic Agency showed 40 to 50 people die each day from drugs in Indonesia. He said that drug trafficking rings have spread to many places, including remote villages where most victims are youngsters of productive age. Indonesia has become the largest drug market in Southeast Asia with 45 percent of the region's drugs in circulation. A second batch of executions would be held later this year and also target drug smugglers, he warned. Indonesia, a sprawling archipelago of 250 million people, has extremely strict drug laws and often executes smugglers. More than 138 people are on death row, mostly for drug crimes. About a third of them are foreigners. Brazilian Moreira was arrested in 2003, after police at Jakarta airport found 13.4 kilograms (29.5 pounds) of cocaine hidden in his hang glider. A second Brazilian national, Rodrigo Muxfeldt Gularte, remains on death row in Indonesia, also convicted of drug trafficking. Ang was arrested near Jakarta in 2003, after police found equipment which they estimated had been producing 15,000 ecstasy pills a day for three years. Police confiscated 8,000 pills and thousands of dollars. The others who were executed were Namaona Denis, 48, from Malawi; Daniel Enemuo, 38, from Nigeria, and Indonesian Rani Andriani. Tran Bich Hanh of Vietnam asked authorities to let her face the firing squad uncuffed as one of her last wishes, Spontana said. ___ Associated Press writer Mike Corder in The Hague contributed to this report. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 There is quite a lot in the press in Australia over this at the moment as two Australian nationals are believed to be amongst the next group with final appeals for clemancy going up before the President at the moment. Like Singapore, Indonesia have the death penalty for drug trafficking and its applied by firing squad as opposed to hanging in Singapore. If they give clemancy to one then they have to give it to all, so no one ever gets it no matter how many times they withdraw their ambassadors and so forth. The popular arguement across talk back radio here is that "if you deal in death" (drug dealing) then that is an appropriate penalty, yet the counter is that there is no real evidence to suggest that it makes any difference and they were discussing statistics that suggest that many more people die as mules when the bags break and that does not appear to dissuade people either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted January 18, 2015 Author Share Posted January 18, 2015 . The popular arguement across talk back radio here is that "if you deal in death" (drug dealing) then that is an appropriate penalty, yet the counter is that there is no real evidence to suggest that it makes any difference and they were discussing statistics that suggest that many more people die as mules when the bags break and that does not appear to dissuade people either. One thing is certain, the ones executed are all thru dealing drugs. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Gerr Posted January 19, 2015 Moderators Share Posted January 19, 2015 There is quite a lot in the press in Australia over this at the moment as two Australian nationals are believed to be amongst the next group with final appeals for clemancy going up before the President at the moment. Like Singapore, Indonesia have the death penalty for drug trafficking and its applied by firing squad as opposed to hanging in Singapore. If they give clemancy to one then they have to give it to all, so no one ever gets it no matter how many times they withdraw their ambassadors and so forth. The popular arguement across talk back radio here is that "if you deal in death" (drug dealing) then that is an appropriate penalty, yet the counter is that there is no real evidence to suggest that it makes any difference and they were discussing statistics that suggest that many more people die as mules when the bags break and that does not appear to dissuade people either. If we want the death penalty to be a deterrent, the execution of the sentence should be: (1) quick & certain (not 20 yrs down the road after the crime), (2) public (put it on prime time, not in private in the dead of night) (3) painful (not just lying down to sleep) aka 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted January 19, 2015 Administrators Share Posted January 19, 2015 The history of capital punishment demonstrates that such steps are not nearly as effective as a deterrent as you think or would like them to be. The risk of being killed on the street while dealing drugs is much higher and much more immediate and even far more painful and gruesome. That drug dealers from rival gangs are all armed and dangerous and have a very short life expectancy, even apart from the legal system, demonstrates that they are willing to take that risk for the money. Greed has a way of impairing judgment like nothing else, probably as much as the addictive effects of the drugs themselves. aka 1 Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted January 19, 2015 Author Share Posted January 19, 2015 The history of capital punishment demonstrates that such steps are not nearly as effective as a deterrent as you think or would like them to be. The risk of being killed on the street while dealing drugs is much higher and much more immediate and even far more painful and gruesome. That drug dealers from rival gangs are all armed and dangerous and have a very short life expectancy, even apart from the legal system, demonstrates that they are willing to take that risk for the money. Greed has a way of impairing judgment like nothing else, probably as much as the addictive effects of the drugs themselves. I don't think the risk factor on the street for a crime is considered while deciding on the legal penalties for committing the crime. The history of capital punishment demonstrates that such steps are not nearly as effective as a deterrent as you think or would like them to be. Is this the reason we have legal consequences for committing a crime? It certainly deters those executed from ever being free to do the same again? Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Gerr Posted January 25, 2015 Moderators Share Posted January 25, 2015 The history of capital punishment demonstrates that such steps are not nearly as effective as a deterrent as you think or would like them to be. The risk of being killed on the street while dealing drugs is much higher and much more immediate and even far more painful and gruesome. That drug dealers from rival gangs are all armed and dangerous and have a very short life expectancy, even apart from the legal system, demonstrates that they are willing to take that risk for the money. Greed has a way of impairing judgment like nothing else, probably as much as the addictive effects of the drugs themselves. Do these executions that you say have not diminished crime in the past meet the 3 criteria I have mentioned? Look at the crime rate of Saudi Arabia and compare it with the USA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted January 25, 2015 Author Share Posted January 25, 2015 The biggest deterrent is an armed public! Violent crime rates are down since gun control laws were overturned in Chicago. Other cities/towns with mandatory gun ownership have noted similar numbers. Capital punishment is not handed down to deter the next criminal. It is the civil punishment for the crime committed by those judged guilty Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeHiscost Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 He called the execution "a cruel and inhumane punishment ... an unacceptable denial of human dignity and integrity." 7Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap. 8For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption. ...Gal 6:7 It is my understanding there are more people incarcerated in the U.S. than any other country in the world. Part of this is due to the fact that there have sometimes been found, by subsequent investigative evidence, that innocent people have died as a result of previous incorrect findings. The fact that the U.S. is willing to spend multiplied millions of dollars housing threats to the lives of those willing to discipline themselves to more righteous behavior, reveals not only mercy for the guilty, but also safety for the innocent or possible innocent. The deterioration of American society as a whole, if time were allowed to continue, would eventually eliminate whatever mercy is left in all of human society. Even so, come Lord Jesus. God is Love! Jesus saves! Quote Lift Jesus up!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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