bonnie Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 What This Dad Does When He Finds Out His Son Is Bullying Kids Is Priceless This guy might look like a bit of a rough nut, but how he handles things when he discovers his son has been bullying other kids at school shows his true values, attitudes, and parenting skills! Timothy R Srobenhorst’s Facebook post implies that he probably knows how to fight, and that he’s passed that those skills onto his son for self-defense. What he hadn’t passed onto his son was the maturity to know when to use those skills, rather than being a bully. Well if his kid hadn’t gotten the message before, he certainly will after this! Srobenhorst posted the following status on his Facebook profile in mid-March along with this picture, after being appalled to learn that his son was being a bully. “I teach my kids they do not start fights but if someone puts their hands on them they finish it,” he wrote. “This is what happens when you become a bully! I don’t put up with it and at 4:30am today my son found out what happens when you prey on people for no reason and bully! Please share this to end this behaviour everywhere! Nothing changes until you take a stance and it only takes one person to start a revolution!” For anyone who might not be able to make out what this homemade posters says, it reads: “My name is Kayden Robenhorst. I am guilty of being a bully at Pulaski Middle School. My punishment is the following: 1) 50 pushups on my fists 2) 10 incline pushups 3) running 1 mile (all at 4:30am) 4) I will also be doing landscaping to both of my dad’s houses, and 5) I will apologize to the boy I bullied in school in front of the whole class today.” After suffering an embarrassment like this, I think it’s safe to say that young Kayden won’t be bullying anyone anytime soon, which means that Timothy is doing one hell of a good job as his father! Well done, Timothy, for taking a stand against bullying everywhere. phkrause 1 Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 I thought a bully bullied because he himself feels powerless in a lot of situations. Seeing what his dad is doing, seems an awful lot like bullying, yet, they are praising him for his parenting skills. Tom Wetmore and Outta Here 2 Quote For what will a man be profited, if he gains the whole world, and forfeits his soul? Mat. 16:26Please, support the JDRF and help find a cure for Type 1 Diabetes. Please, support the March of Dimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B/W Photodude Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Seeing what his dad is doing, seems an awful lot like bullying, yet, they are praising him for his parenting skills. If you can't do the "time", don't do the crime. Bullying is a situation that for many victims lasts a very long time, and being publicly humiliated can also teach a lesson that lasts for a long time. Dad showed the kid how to defend himself but also taught him not to abuse it. Junior apparently missed that part of the lecture. Go Dad! However, it is alleged that Dad was bullying. So, what more gentle and kind lesson should have Dad given this son? bonnie 1 Quote >>>Texts in blue type are quotes<<< ***************************************************************************** And therefore as a stranger give it welcome. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. --Shakespeare from Hamlet ***************************************************************************** Bill Liversidge Seminars The Emergent Church and the Invasion of Spiritualism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Gregory Matthews Posted March 29, 2015 Moderators Share Posted March 29, 2015 A private lesson. Naomi, Outta Here and Jeannieb43 3 Quote Gregory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted March 29, 2015 Administrators Share Posted March 29, 2015 Public humiliation teaching a lesson that lasts a long time.... Probably true. But what kind of lesson? And at what cost? Shaming a person, particularly a child or a teen may be effective to achieve some form of compliance or submission to authority. But is true willingness to do the right thing and a positve attitude about doing the right thing and respect for authority achieved? Based on my own experience and observation, leaves me with serious doubts that this will produce real positve results long term. In the short term, the embarrassment of humiliation can easily produce anger and resentment. Those emotions can indeed last a long time and seldom have long tem positve outcomes both in terms of relationships and behavior modification. It tends to produce fear of authority rather than respect and loyalty. And it does not produce internalization of respect for rules and treating others with respect or kindness or empathy IMHO. I think the end result is that people become stunted at an immature stage of moral and emotional development as a result. Jeannieb43, Outta Here, Naomi and 1 other 4 Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted March 29, 2015 Author Share Posted March 29, 2015 Public humiliation teaching a lesson that lasts a long time.... Probably true. But what kind of lesson? And at what cost? Shaming a person, particularly a child or a teen may be effective to achieve some form of compliance or submission to authority. But is true willingness to do the right thing and a positve attitude about doing the right thing and respect for authority achieved? Based on my own experience and observation, leaves me with serious doubts that this will produce real positve results long term. In the short term, the embarrassment of humiliation can easily produce anger and resentment. Those emotions can indeed last a long time and seldom have long tem positve outcomes both in terms of relationships and behavior modification. It tends to produce fear of authority rather than respect and loyalty. And it does not produce internalization of respect for rules and treating others with respect or kindness or empathy IMHO. I think the end result isl that people become stunted at an immature stage of moral and emotional development as a result. There is a private school k-12 that has pretty much solved the bullying problem. First offense is the traditional,detention and private counseling. Finding out this hasn't worked,the second time the bully is escorted by one of his parents thru out the school day,third offense is automatic permanent expulsion . Strangely enough it has only been used a very few times and there is a waiting list to be accepted in this school. If it was a public bullying of the other student why shouldn't the apology by the bully also be made public? Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B/W Photodude Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Private "lessons" are just one more way people have invented to not hurt the "self-esteem" of a child. In this situation, the Dad had instructed his kid not to start fights and bullying is an attempt to start a fight. We can worry about what the long term effects of this punishment on the kid, but so far, no one seems to be concerned about the long term effects of the bullying on the victim of this behavior. The kid did not seem to be concerned with the public shaming of the victim of the bullying, so why should he get to skate out with a private "lesson." If the behavior had been a private matter, public shaming may have been in excess. As far as public shaming, I think the Bible also instructs people to admit publicly when they have done wrong. "Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." James 5:16 Quote >>>Texts in blue type are quotes<<< ***************************************************************************** And therefore as a stranger give it welcome. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. --Shakespeare from Hamlet ***************************************************************************** Bill Liversidge Seminars The Emergent Church and the Invasion of Spiritualism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 If you can't do the "time", don't do the crime. Bullying is a situation that for many victims lasts a very long time, and being publicly humiliated can also teach a lesson that lasts for a long time. Dad showed the kid how to defend himself but also taught him not to abuse it. Junior apparently missed that part of the lecture. Go Dad! However, it is alleged that Dad was bullying. So, what more gentle and kind lesson should have Dad given this son? I don't think getting up at 4:30 am to do strenuous exercise teaches the kid not to be a bully, you asked what kind of lesson Dad should have given? I agree with apologizing to the victim in front of the class, and also helping dad do yard work (As long as it isn't at 4:30 am--at least not if I'm your neighbor.) However, he could also get the kid to volunteer at the local animal shelter for a month, or at the local soup kitchen. Both of those things would teach compassion for those less fortunate. Quote For what will a man be profited, if he gains the whole world, and forfeits his soul? Mat. 16:26Please, support the JDRF and help find a cure for Type 1 Diabetes. Please, support the March of Dimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B/W Photodude Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 I agree with apologizing to the victim in front of the class, and also helping dad do yard work (As long as it isn't at 4:30 am--at least not if I'm your neighbor.) Oh my! We are getting soft aren't we. How many generations of farm kids got up approx that early to milk cows and do other chores before they went to school. Since the kid most likely knew he was going to be getting up early, he probably should put away the smartphones and video games and get to bed early. I am not sure that soup kitchens and animal shelters should be used for punishment. If I was a lost dog, I don't think I would want an angry kid looking after me especially with a history of mistreating those less able. At least this kid has a Dad who is determined to help his son grow up right. Some kids are not so fortunate and end up in "boot camp" to try and straighten them out. LifeHiscost 1 Quote >>>Texts in blue type are quotes<<< ***************************************************************************** And therefore as a stranger give it welcome. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. --Shakespeare from Hamlet ***************************************************************************** Bill Liversidge Seminars The Emergent Church and the Invasion of Spiritualism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeHiscost Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 What This Dad Does When He Finds Out His Son Is Bullying Kids Is Priceless Hooray for the more mature! God is Love! Jesus saves! Quote Lift Jesus up!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeHiscost Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Oh my! We are getting soft aren't we. How many generations of farm kids got up approx that early to milk cows and do other chores before they went to school. Since the kid most likely knew he was going to be getting up early, he probably should put away the smartphones and video games and get to bed early. I am not sure that soup kitchens and animal shelters should be used for punishment. If I was a lost dog, I don't think I would want an angry kid looking after me especially with a history of mistreating those less able. At least this kid has a Dad who is determined to help his son grow up right. Some kids are not so fortunate and end up in "boot camp" to try and straighten them out. When I finally had my stint as a(can't remember the word used, definitely not complimentary) in boot camp, my mindset was forever changed when I ended up being knocked +++ over teakettle for not following orders correctly and having a doctor's orders before the D.I.'s taking precedence. God is Love! Jesus saves! Quote Lift Jesus up!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Oh my! We are getting soft aren't we. Condescending and bullying much? Quote For what will a man be profited, if he gains the whole world, and forfeits his soul? Mat. 16:26Please, support the JDRF and help find a cure for Type 1 Diabetes. Please, support the March of Dimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B/W Photodude Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 When I finally had my stint as a(can't remember the word used, definitely not complimentary) in boot camp, my mindset was forever changed when I ended up being knocked +++ over teakettle for not following orders correctly and having a doctor's orders before the D.I.'s taking precedence. I do not really agree that boot camps are a good idea, it is just too bad that situations get so out of control that some feel that is the only answer. Mostly, because it seems to have become quite an industry and I don't believe there is really that much real training to work with kids that end up in these camps. You are lucky that getting knocked over a tea kettle was the worst you experienced. There have been many tragedies in boot camps. I guess it is one of the reasons why parents need to stay on top of things with there kids and another good reason why dads should be around to help kids grow up. I know this flies in the face of the popular belief that dads aren't necessary for kids to grow up to responsible adulthood. More on the deficits of boot camps: http://www.nospank.net/boot.htm One camps consent form had this statement:The camp consent form that parents must sign says, "I realize that Christian boot camp is a strenuous and highly intense program. I further realize that the possibility of accident, injury or even fatality to my child does exist." Really?! Quote >>>Texts in blue type are quotes<<< ***************************************************************************** And therefore as a stranger give it welcome. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. --Shakespeare from Hamlet ***************************************************************************** Bill Liversidge Seminars The Emergent Church and the Invasion of Spiritualism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoAspen Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 It tends to produce fear of authority rather than respect and loyalty. And it does not produce internalization of respect for rules and treating others with respect or kindness or empathy IMHO. I think the end result is that people become stunted at an immature stage of moral and emotional development as a result. Tis strange how little people really understand the teachings of Christ.....even those that walked with Him failed to see the real picture, clouded by their own mind. Still happens today. The words of TW are well supported in the literature.....but then, some parts of Christianity don't trust psychology. Tom Wetmore 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 Tis strange how little people really understand the teachings of Christ.....even those that walked with Him failed to see the real picture, clouded by their own mind. Still happens today. The words of TW are well supported in the literature.....but then, some parts of Christianity don't trust psychology. Do you think a public apology for a public sin as this probably was is against the teachings of Christ? Or that this young boy will be scared for life because of that and a little physical exertion? The psychology that says you should not stand up and take responsibility for your actions is what some object to. B/W Photodude 1 Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B/W Photodude Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Courtesy of Dr Laura: LifeHiscost 1 Quote >>>Texts in blue type are quotes<<< ***************************************************************************** And therefore as a stranger give it welcome. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. --Shakespeare from Hamlet ***************************************************************************** Bill Liversidge Seminars The Emergent Church and the Invasion of Spiritualism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B/W Photodude Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Another lesson in public humiliation for misbehaving kids: http://abcnews.go.com/US/alabama-moms-facebook-apology-kids-movie-behavior-brings/story?id=30007225 Quote >>>Texts in blue type are quotes<<< ***************************************************************************** And therefore as a stranger give it welcome. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. --Shakespeare from Hamlet ***************************************************************************** Bill Liversidge Seminars The Emergent Church and the Invasion of Spiritualism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted March 31, 2015 Author Share Posted March 31, 2015 Another lesson in public humiliation for misbehaving kids: http://abcnews.go.com/US/alabama-moms-facebook-apology-kids-movie-behavior-brings/story?id=30007225 These girls will probably be scarred for life with that kind of public humiliation. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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