Administrators Gail Posted December 7, 2015 Administrators Share Posted December 7, 2015 The country of Finland is bringing in a plan to ensure that every citizen of theirs will receive a basic income: Basic income for everyone What do you think about this reasoning? Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted December 7, 2015 Members Share Posted December 7, 2015 I'd predict a mindset of "why work when I get paid anyway?" Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeHiscost Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 [/quote] Quote Lift Jesus up!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted December 31, 2015 Members Share Posted December 31, 2015 Exactly LHC Quote phkrause Obstinacy is a barrier to all improvement. - ChL 60 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Gail Posted January 1, 2016 Author Administrators Share Posted January 1, 2016 On December 7, 2015 at 1:46 PM, rudywoofs said: I'd predict a mindset of "why work when I get paid anyway?" It's been a few days since I read the article but they thought of that. I believe their thought is that some of the lower end jobs can be filled now with the subsidy adding to total a liveable monthly amount. Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Chaffin Jr Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Note: Nothing is "given" to someone unless it is "taken" from someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoAspen Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Do you pay taxes? It is given to the police, fireman, road building, services we all use, etc. Was that taken from you? Your comment comes across a bit like you feel............. bonnie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted January 9, 2016 Members Share Posted January 9, 2016 I think "taxes" *are* "taken".... though people may see the *necessity*, tax is not a voluntary transaction. Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoAspen Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Correct...it is not voluntary just like going to the store and paying for groceries is not 'voluntary'. If we desire a service, we pay for it. Some don't so they live 'off the grid'. I see the tax we pay through various sources as a payment for services, not something being 'taken' from me. I would guess that paying taxes 'tweaks' our inborn selfish system. Taint nothing in life free, there is always price. rudywoofs (Pam) and phkrause 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Gail Posted January 11, 2016 Author Administrators Share Posted January 11, 2016 I have read about people living in another country than where I live, where they must take on 2 or 3 jobs to survive. When I travel to the U.S. I notice that a lot of adults do in the service industry, whereas here those bottom, level-entry type jobs are filled by teenagers. I wonder if those adults working at McDonalds are able to live off what they earn. To be subsidized to a basic living wage might be helpful. Perhaps those adults would be finally be able also to contribute to taxes, too; at least be able to have unemployment insurance benefits and some sort of medical benefits they can finally pay into instead of collecting welfare. Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 Generally during school months adults do work in the entry level service jobs. Late afternoons you will generally find the high school students. Not as support for a family but to supplement the family income. They don't want a full time 8-5 job. They also can arrange their hours around that of their elementary age children during the school months. Late afternoons you will generally find the high school students as well as adults. Entry level jobs were never intended to support a family Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 9 minutes ago, The Wanderer said: "welfare" is sometimes stigmatized in ways it should not be though. I was forced to collect it for a couple of months because of medical needs, and when I read online various and negative sentiments about people who are on it, I just thought, wow. Thats not how it actually is for a lot of people. It didnt take me long to disqualify myself for it though because I found a way to earn more than the allowed amount. But I know everyone is not like that so they simply need to build in some incentive measures to minimize the incidents of people doing that. Welfare was intended as a temporary hand up,not a hammock. Not everyone is as responsible as you appear to have been. Those that are physically or mentally incapable of caring for themselves should be cared for. A lot of people get blindsided by life at one time or another and need a helping hand. I don't know of anyone that has a problem with that. A few nights devoted to the local food shelf can quickly sour you on those claiming to need help feeding their families. When you use the food shelf regularly in addition to food stamps and can afford expensive tattoos and the latest in electronic games for your pre-school children,cable and internet,you can feed your family. The attitude is it is free,why not? Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted January 11, 2016 Members Share Posted January 11, 2016 55 minutes ago, bonnie said: Welfare was intended as a temporary hand up,not a hammock. Not everyone is as responsible as you appear to have been. Those that are physically or mentally incapable of caring for themselves should be cared for. A lot of people get blindsided by life at one time or another and need a helping hand. I don't know of anyone that has a problem with that. A few nights devoted to the local food shelf can quickly sour you on those claiming to need help feeding their families. When you use the food shelf regularly in addition to food stamps and can afford expensive tattoos and the latest in electronic games for your pre-school children,cable and internet,you can feed your family. The attitude is it is free,why not? I know this is off topic, but the welfare comments remind me of the time I was in Pathfinders in the mid-60s and we were taking Thanksgiving food baskets to several families who had been designated "needy" by the County and on welfare. The first two families were indeed very needy. The last family's residence included a new Cadillac in the driveway, and we could see a color TV through the window. They opened the door, and said, "we've been wondering where you were. Just set the things on the table." They were a lot better off than my family. We weren't on welfare, but technically, we could have been. So many people abuse the system.... I'll never forget that white Cadillac... Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted January 11, 2016 Share Posted January 11, 2016 28 minutes ago, rudywoofs (Pam) said: I know this is off topic, but the welfare comments remind me of the time I was in Pathfinders in the mid-60s and we were taking Thanksgiving food baskets to several families who had been designated "needy" by the County and on welfare. The first two families were indeed very needy. The last family's residence included a new Cadillac in the driveway, and we could see a color TV through the window. They opened the door, and said, "we've been wondering where you were. Just set the things on the table." They were a lot better off than my family. We weren't on welfare, but technically, we could have been. So many people abuse the system.... I'll never forget that white Cadillac... It really isn't off topic tho. Assistance used to be the last resort. Now it is the first for many and seen as an absolute right. No one has the right to the labor/income of another. If in true need no one should be ashamed to ask for help nor should they be shamed. Help should be and is available. Most run into financial trouble thru their own mismanagement. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchemy Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 I like the idea of a minimum wage for retired seniors. I don't like the idea for an entire population. Now, I understand they will use it to replace unemployment benefits and so on. And maybe that will cut costs for the government. But, it still doesn't seem responsible to me for the whole population. rudywoofs (Pam) 1 Quote Luke 12:32 NKJV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeb Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 I think the Finnish government has lost its ever loving mind. I've done a bunch of reading on this and the explicit goal of the Finnish government is to "raise revenue" through this program. Meaning, the goal of this legislation and the public perception of it are two completely separate things. The Finnish government thinks that by giving everyone an income they can lift everyone into a higher tax bracket and therefore boost their tax revenues. That everyone is talking about "universal income" rather than universally raising tax revenues just shows how successful the propaganda campaign by Finnish politicians has been. This is the normal doubletalk by socialists when trying to get their agendas passed. It's as deceitful as all get out, but, hey, who cares about what is honest anymore? Appearance means everything, reality means nothing. Quote Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.Alexis de Tocqueville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted October 28, 2016 Administrators Share Posted October 28, 2016 On 10/25/2016 at 6:06 PM, joeb said: Appearance means everything, reality means nothing. What a curious idea... Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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