Stan Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 In Northern Washington, at the Border, there are a number of people who have posted signs "No Minuteman allowed on property" or something similar. Who wouldn't want to have some drunken gun-toting, NRA supporters, vigilantes, around there kids "protecting" their nation? Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 We have had a number of Minute Men down here that are invited by ranchers. I do not believe they carry guns. They have stopped a lot of illegals, held them and called the Border Patrol. I have not heard of any stories of the Minute Men going on private property without permission. They are not breaking the law. They are drawing attention to a much needed issue. If the federal government were to fund the Border Patrol like it should, there would be nothing for the Minute Men to do. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
there buster Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Quote: Who wouldn't want to have some drunken gun-toting, NRA supporters, vigilantes, around there kids "protecting" their nation? I've seen quite a bit about the Minutemen, but nothing about them being either drunken or gun-toting. Could you point me to the source of that information? Quote “the slovenliness of our language makes it easier to have foolish thoughts.” George Orwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pockey Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Photos from a recent minuteman rally: []http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/uploaded_images/Minutemen%20rally%202-706494.jpg[/] []http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/uploaded_images/Minutemen%20rally-792199.jpg[/] Orcinus Oh wait a second, no beer there. Nevermind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Posted January 22, 2006 Author Share Posted January 22, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> I've seen quite a bit about the Minutemen, but nothing about them being either drunken or gun-toting. Could you point me to the source of that information? <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> That was comments at the petro station in WA where I purchase fuel. I had not been following this, although I had seen the signs. Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 I would really question the authenticity of the picture with the Nazi flag. I am not saying that there are not any Nazis among the Minutemen but a lot of the Minutemen are sons of WW2 vets and prior military men themselves. I just can't see that a Nazi flag would be recieved well within that crowd. The Confederate flag is just a symbol of southern flag. Whn I served in Panama the MPs had a Confederate flag flying outside their tent. That really doesn't tell you much about them other than that they are from the South. I see the Minutemen as a protest against a pourous border. In Canada it isn't such an issue because, from what I understand, Canada patrols its side of the border too. In Mexico, not only don't they patrol their side of the boarder, the government actually helps illegals to get into the US. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pockey Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Shane said: I would really question the authenticity of the picture with the Nazi flag. <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> This was in Laguna Beach, CA. About 15 minutes from where I live. It's legit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
there buster Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Even the blogger who posted the photo admits the rallies were separate. Quote: It apparently was a follow-up of sorts to a similar rally...It also drew a contingent of neo-Nazis. The source for Orcinus' picture and information is "Indymedia." A quick perusal of that web site yields a lot of hard left propaganda. One sample: Quote: Hebrew University Israeli history professor Moshe Zimmerman compares Israel's IDF (military) to the Nazis! Conservative kneejerk gadfly Jewish ADL -- Zionist domestic spy & harassment organization -- head Abe Foxman butts in, as usual, to demand apology. (Many prominent Jews, both contemporary and historical figures, have compared Israel/Zionism/IDF to *NAZIS*!) Israeli history professor Moshe Zimmerman retorts: "Regarding the involvement of ... [Abe] Foxman in the affair, he says, "I don't have to respond to every barking dog in the street"! A comment that's long overdue! Apparently these guys find Nazis all over the place, even in Israel! So, on the rally with the flags. It wasn't the minuteman rally, it was "a sort of follow up." Who followed up? We're not told. Were the neo-Nazis part of the Minutement? No, it "drew a contingent of neo-Nazis." neo-Nazis are publicity hounds that often show up whenever and wherever they get attention. This is spurious guilt-by-association openly avowed by "Orcinus." The General Conference Session "drew a contingent of Branch Davidians and numerous other cooks." By this reasoning, they are a natural part of the SDA church, and all their excesses should be attributed to us. No guns. No alcohol. Just innuendo. Classy. Quote “the slovenliness of our language makes it easier to have foolish thoughts.” George Orwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pockey Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 I can keep posting if you'd like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
there buster Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 By all means. Give us a real sampling of Indymedia. Animal liberation. "Esther Kaplan: On the Trail of the Christian" "P**ing in Peace." On transgender restrooms. It's quite the source for reliable information. Quote “the slovenliness of our language makes it easier to have foolish thoughts.” George Orwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Just give us a reliable source like the associated press, a major newspaper (NY Times, USA Today, LA Times, Houston Chonicle), a newsnetwork (NBC, ABC, CBS, FOXNews, CNN, NPR, etc.) or even Yahoo news. I am sure I haven't seen all the coverage of the Minutemen but I have never seen any Nazi affliation. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Quote: Ed Dickerson said: By all means. Give us a real sampling of Indymedia. Animal liberation. "Esther Kaplan: On the Trail of the Christian" "P**ing in Peace." On transgender restrooms. It's quite the source for reliable information. I thought or was under the impression that statements made on C/A condemning someone or condemning someone's actions were best done with facts. Not heresy. I believe this is the article in question. Would anyone have an article no matter how biased on the drunken state of the minutemen. This article leaves a bit to be desired as factual OrcinusMinutemen: A home for extremists Monday, August 08, 2005. This is a recent Minutemen rally. And yes, that's a Nazi flag there, third from the right. ... dneiwert.blogspot.com/2005/ 08/minutemen-home-for-extremists_08.html Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
there buster Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 A Maj. Frank Burns (M*A*S*H) once said: "This is based on very reliable gossip." Quote “the slovenliness of our language makes it easier to have foolish thoughts.” George Orwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Posted January 23, 2006 Author Share Posted January 23, 2006 This created more activity than i thought it would... I am sure the people who have put up the signs would be because it is safe to have their kids around these tee-totallers who would never jump to conclusions... or would never mistake, always being of sound mind, a mistake that would cause innocents to suffer. </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> WACO, Texas — President Bush yesterday said he opposes a civilian project to monitor illegal aliens crossing the border, characterizing them as "vigilantes." <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 President Bush doesn't like them because they highlight an issue that he is ignoring - or trying to ignore. I am sure he feels the same about the anti-war protestors as he does the minutemen. When the minutemen came to Texas they trained about an hour north of here and the local news channels did a story on them. Minutemen in the Valley Minutemen headed north of Valley Quote: Homeland Security is also an issue when it comes to the Minuteman Project. During the past year, NEWSCHANNEL 5 uncovered evidence that immigrants from al-Qaida hot spots have crossed through the Valley. Farida Ahmed, the Pakistani woman who posed as a South African, flew around the world just to swim across the Rio Grande. Ahmed was the target of an FBI investigation after she was caught at McAllen-Miller International Airport trying to board a plane bound for New York. Earlier this month, a Sullivan City woman discovered a man from Bangladesh, dehydrated and dying in her front yard. The FBI has not yet been able to identify him. Historic Texas town home to Minutemen Quote: Butler says he is seeing more illegal immigrants than ever before travel through his area. A 233% increase to be exact. Buelter says illegal immigrants are finding their way there, and he wants it to stop. "We don't like having our properties, and things trespassed,” he said. “Our federal government is not doing their job.” Meanwhile Buelter says the Minutemen are planning to patrol the local ranches. And while critics say racism is involved, Buelter says they are doing what the government won’t. Minuteman Prepare Quote: Armed with night-vision goggles and a cellular phone or two-way radio, the minutemen conducted their exercises - this time in El Paso. Minutemen Arrive Quote: The three main objectives are to observe, spot and report illegal immigrant sightings. And they are not to make contact or confront groups of illegals in an any way. Minutemen national president, Chris Simcox says,"Our message to congress is in '06 and '08 and starting now, you better take this issue seriously. We're not going away until you do your job and that is secure our borders north and south." Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
there buster Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Quote: I am sure the people who have put up the signs would be because . . . People put up signs for lots of reasons. Kind of like the 19th century signs that said: No Irish need apply Or signs I saw as a child in the south: Whites only. Putting up signs only expresses an opinion; that opinion may be justified, may not. Quote “the slovenliness of our language makes it easier to have foolish thoughts.” George Orwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 The Confederate flag does represent slavery and oppression to many blacks. I was wondering how long it would take someone to mention that. To others it represents states' rights. To most that use it - and this is key - it simply represents southern pride. It would be a faulty assumption to assume everyone with a Confederate flag is a racist. Until 2003 Georgia had the Confederate flag as part of their state flag. Mississippi still has the Confederate flag as part of their state flag. It symbolizes different things to different people and should not be used to judge whether or not someone is racist. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planey Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I'll bet the Native Americans wish they'd had some effective, well-organised groups of Minutemen a few hundred years ago... Graeme Quote Graeme____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I don't want to make the claim there are no racists among the Minutemen. From the interviews I have seen of it leaders, they do not seem to be racist. Many hispanics in my area support the Minutemen. However, by it nature, an organization like that is going to attract some racists. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Gail Posted January 23, 2006 Administrators Share Posted January 23, 2006 This is the first I've heard of this group. Are they like the KKK or something? Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted January 23, 2006 Moderators Share Posted January 23, 2006 No need to be scared of these men, 'cos they're really, really tiny. <img src="/ubbtreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amelia Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 *Tacking on - Read more on Minutemen and their agenda. []http://www.minutemanhq.com/images/iwantyou2.jpg[/] http://www.minutemanhq.com/ Click on your state to see pending or passed immigration/border legislation. http://www.legicrawler.com/mapusers/cp/mcdcmap.html Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amelia Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 And then there is the anti-minutemen group. They say the Minutemen are racist. http://swarmtheminutemen.com/ Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amelia Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Also []http://www.minutemenunited.org/themes/patriot/images/title.left3.gif[/] []http://www.minutemenunited.org/themes/patriot/images/title.right3.gif[/] []http://www.msbvsecure.com/MinuteMenStuff/Images/AEPlogo.gif[/] http://www.minutemenunited.org/ Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Quote: This is the first I've heard of this group. Are they like the KKK or something? No, they are not like the KKK. They are a protest group more than anything. Like Bravus said, in numbers, they are quite small. But they have gotten a lot of press which is what they want. They patrol the border on public land and on private land where they land owners have granted them permission. From what I understand, they observe and report. They do not stop or detain illegals. To do such would be dangerous because some crossing illegally are armed drug runners. As an organization I do not believe they are racist. However I am sure they attract many racists to their ranks. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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