Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted September 28, 2016 Members Share Posted September 28, 2016 I thought this editorial from the Roanoke (VA) Times was pretty interesting... Quote Editorial: Clinton vs. Trump is a bizarre debate that may not matter So this is probably what the Lincoln-Douglas debates were like, right? Douglas: Crooked Abe says he’s a rail-splitter. We know he has an axe. But maybe he’s an axe murderer? Who knows? Lincoln: Whoo! OK! Or maybe not. History tells us the famous 1858 debates between two candidates for the U.S. Senate represent a gold standard for two candidates talking about the issues. By contrast, Monday’s opening debate between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump was simply bizarre. Trump — facing the challenge of whether the former reality TV star could appear “presidential” — proceeded to repeatedly interrupt Clinton and make a spectacle of himself with one outlandish statement after another. Blowing up an Iranian ship? “That would not start a war.” Making money off the housing collapse? “That’s called business, by the way.” Not paying federal income tax? “That makes me smart.” Clinton — facing the challenge of presenting herself as likeable and trustworthy — smiled and stayed composed throughout, while needling Trump just enough to send him rambling wildly off-message. He spent more time talking about President Obama’s birth certificate than he did about her private email server — and even allowed Clinton to seize the high ground by talking about cybersecurity, of all things. This was exactly — or perhaps, to borrow Trump’s phrase, semi-exactly — the debate Democrats wanted and Republicans didn’t. And yet. … Is it possible that Trump actually won this exchange? That’s not the consensus of the snap polls, the focus groups, and what’s left of the nonpartisan commentariat — all of whom felt that Clinton came across steady, prepared, composed, while Trump looked like a guy who’d just wandered in from a bar and suddenly found himself on a presidential debate stage. (A pretty apt metaphor for the whole campaign, actually.) Consider this, though: Voters knew all that about Trump already, and still had him running even with Clinton before the debate. Neither one did anything to deflate their partisans. The real question is: Which one did the best job making a case to undecided voters? There’s not a single class of undecided voters, so different ones are likely looking for different things. This much seems clear, though: Despite Trump’s painful performance, voters do at least know what he stands for: He’s against “bad trade deals.” He’s against illegal immigration. He’s for knocking “the hell out of ISIS.” They still don’t know what Clinton would do. That’s because Trump presents his ideas concisely, while Clinton does not. Trump was at his best in the opening question about jobs. He blamed Mexico. He blamed China. He blamed the North American Free Trade Agreement. Never mind that he didn’t explain how he’d bring jobs back. He only said he’d keep them leaving by threatening them with tariffs, which is a curious position for a Republican since a tariff is really just another word for a tax. Never mind that Trump’s entire analysis may be wrong — NAFTA certainly led to some jobs moving away, but it also created jobs at the same time. It’s just easier to visualize a town with a shuttered factory than it is visualize all the new jobs that depend on exports because they tend to be scattered around the country. You can find an economist to tell you anything but there are multiple studies by independent analysts who conclude that NAFTA’s overall effect was either a wash, or actually led to net increase in American jobs. Nevertheless, Trump’s argument there is clear, and fits into the narrative of what many voters think happened. Clinton’s answer was a checklist of agenda items, with no real explanation of how they’d work together: “I want us to invest in your future. That means jobs in infrastructure and advanced manufacturing, innovation and technology, clean renewable energy and small business because most of the new jobs will come from small business.” What, exactly, does that mean? We can imagine an answer, but it’s not an answer she actually gave. In local terms, Trump would go to Martinsville and point to the empty factories there and — well, we’re not sure what he’d do then. Those jobs are gone and will never return. Clinton would go to Virginia Western Community College and tour the mechatronics lab that is turning out computer-savvy students for that “advanced manufacturing” she name-checked. Intellectually, she has the better argument — we need to focus on creating the jobs of the future and that will require a skilled workforce so we ought to make sure our schools are well-funded and focused on creating those workers. She never really spelled that out, though. (She also doesn’t acknowledge that fostering that “innovation and technology” might require certain tax incentives for investors, something that feels more like a Republican agenda item than a Democratic one.) Trump tells a story; Clinton rattles off bullet points. Emotionally, Trump has the better argument. That’s why his supporters shouldn’t despair — and Democrats shouldn’t start making their inaugural plans just yet. Yes, Trump was a terrible debater. What if that doesn’t really matter? It’s popular to say that Americans have a short memory and that’s true. Maybe a week from now no one will remember that Trump spent much of the debate denying things he had previously said. But sometimes Americans also have long memories, too. It’s clear that many voters don’t particularly like Clinton and don’t want a return to the Clinton years. It’s also clear that voters aren’t necessarily sold on electing her — or maybe any Democrat — to what would essentially be Obama’s third term. American elections tend to swing back and forth like a pendulum. To some voters, Trump looked either rude or ridiculous by constantly interrupting Clinton (51 times in all; she interrupted him 17 times). What if some voters, though, see that as a sign that Trump is a fighter who won’t take guff off anybody? What if, after eight years of the cool-tempered Obama, Americans want a more emotional and more aggressive president? Trump, at least, has a clear message, as imperfect as it is. Clinton has yet to define a rationale for her candidacy, other than: “I’m not crazy. I’m not Trump.” Is that sufficient to win? What would Lincoln and Douglas have said? Lincoln: I’ll save the union, bigly. Douglas: I’m not Lincoln. http://www.roanoke.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-clinton-vs-trump-is-a-bizarre-debate-that-may/article_164e0e59-d701-5381-b243-8cdaf5483aee.html Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GayatfootofCross Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 Since Trump considers himself to be smart to not pay taxes.. Does that mean we are so not smart if we do? Does He looks upon the average Tax Payer as idiots? Since Trump does not pay contractors/service/manufacturers cause he found the work unsatisfactory. Does that mean we can stay a week at Trump Tower or rent His Golf Club House and not pay cause we found the stay unsatisfactory? Is this how we all are to do business with each other? So many hard workers not paid. Please pay careful attention to this man's words. phkrause 1 Quote For all Eternity God waited in anticipation for You to show up to give You a Message - YOUR INCLUDED !!! { a merry dance }?️? " If you tarry 'til you're better You will never come at all " .. "I Will Rise" by the late great saved Glen Campbell If your picture of God is starting to feel too good to be true, you're starting to move in the right direction. "My bounty is as boundless as the sea, My love as deep; the more I give to thee, The more I have, for both are infinite." Romeo and Juliet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 16 minutes ago, GayatfootofCross said: Since Trump considers himself to be smart to not pay taxes.. Do you pay more taxes than necessary by law? At this point do you know what he has paid in taxes? What was the context when he made that statement? Does that mean we are so not smart if we do? Does He looks upon the average Tax Payer as idiots? Again, do you know what he has paid in taxes and if in fact any deductions are illegal? When we owened the farm we reduced our taxes by thousands using what was entirely legal. No I do not apologize for doing so. If you pay tithe there isn't any law you need to declare that. If you own your home,do you deduct the mortgage interest? If you do why and it is not to reduce the taxes you pay? Since Trump does not pay contractors/service/manufacturers cause he found the work unsatisfactory. Do you know the number and the story behind those that claim they weren't paid? Please share. I don't know so would really like to hear We have built two homes and rehabbed 11 homes. Most subs were great and did the work promised in a satisfactory manner. A few did not. They had a choice,either redo their mistakes at their cost or do not return and forfeit payment. True they could have filed a lien and gone to small claims court but they didn't seem willing to try the courts considering their own violation of the contract. 16 minutes ago, GayatfootofCross said: Does that mean we can stay a week at Trump Tower or rent His Golf Club House and not pay cause we found the stay unsatisfactory? I have received a substantial break because of lousy service. More than once I have received a no charge for a meal and a gift card for a free meal. One time the order had to be sent back three times before it was edible and then still wasn't what I thought I had paid for 16 minutes ago, GayatfootofCross said: Is this how we all are to do business with each other? So many hard workers not paid. Please pay careful attention to this man's words. As you seem to pay careful attention to this man's words please tell me how many hard workers were unpaid for satisfactory service. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted September 29, 2016 Administrators Share Posted September 29, 2016 Many of the contractors that Trump stiffed, actually performed satisfactorily. Trump just insisted they be paid after they were done in the contract, and then forced a renegotiation of the price. Here is an example. The small family business music store had a contract to supply pianos to the Trump hotel/casino in Atlantic City. The price was $100,000 for delivery and tuning. Payment after delivery. No complaint about the pianos, delivery on time, tuning done correctly. Trump's company said they were low on cash and would pay only $70,000. The supplier could not afford to sue and they would not pay the rest. $30,000 was a large loss to the small businessman. What is $30,000 to a multi-billionaire? Pocket money. And he did it over and over to many who did work for him. phkrause and GayatfootofCross 2 Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted September 29, 2016 Administrators Share Posted September 29, 2016 And by the way, if he is such a great businessman, how is it that he has such bad luck with contractors doing shoddy work? With all his money you would think he could do a better job of picking and vetting contractors. How come other similar real estate developers have so much better luck with their contractors? The percentage of problems he has, based on the volume of litigation,many compared to everyone else, suggests it is not the contractors, but Trump that is the problem. GayatfootofCross and phkrause 2 Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 23 minutes ago, Tom Wetmore said: And by the way, if he is such a great businessman, how is it that he has such bad luck with contractors doing shoddy work? With all his money you would think he could do a better job of picking and vetting contractors. How come other similar real estate developers have so much better luck with their contractors? The percentage of problems he has, based on the volume of litigation,many compared to everyone else, suggests it is not the contractors, but Trump that is the problem. And by the way where or when have I ever said Trump is a great anything? That is what makes this election such a mess.Neither qualify as a person of high integrity and honesty. The bigger the contracter the more problems,but I doubt if that is the only reason for Trump. But I dont have any more problem with Trump shafting others than I do with the Clintons and their foundation. There is an interesting article in Politico concerning Clintons.In addition I am privileged to work with a group of women,completely private group,no government funding that go to Haiti several times a year. The volunteer system they have set up would be hard to beat. They have confirmed a lot that has been in the news. So called charity is a joke including Clinton charity. Money to help the Haitians for some reason doesnt seem to reach them.It has built resorts etc that is totally worthless to the vast majority. These women go to the worst regions to educate and provide the means for cottage industries. Do a little reading on the man awarded a contract by the Clinton Foundation. This private group with completely private donations have done a lot more Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Take a few minutes and look up Claudio Osorio. Hillary State Dept Helped Jailed Clinton Foundation Donor Get 10 Million. I know of course these highly intelligent honest individuals were surely duped but it is interesting reading for those that dont swallow the sainted benevolent act. There is far more.And yes, I will take the word of those that spend their own money and are on the ground. One on one with these people struggling to survive and explain where this foundation money didnt go. There first hand accounts carry a lot more weight than that of anyone bowing at the shrine of the Clintons Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GayatfootofCross Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 What a way to do build a business and name. Sticking it to the little guy. By their fruits.. Quote For all Eternity God waited in anticipation for You to show up to give You a Message - YOUR INCLUDED !!! { a merry dance }?️? " If you tarry 'til you're better You will never come at all " .. "I Will Rise" by the late great saved Glen Campbell If your picture of God is starting to feel too good to be true, you're starting to move in the right direction. "My bounty is as boundless as the sea, My love as deep; the more I give to thee, The more I have, for both are infinite." Romeo and Juliet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GayatfootofCross Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 disgusting http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/ Quote For all Eternity God waited in anticipation for You to show up to give You a Message - YOUR INCLUDED !!! { a merry dance }?️? " If you tarry 'til you're better You will never come at all " .. "I Will Rise" by the late great saved Glen Campbell If your picture of God is starting to feel too good to be true, you're starting to move in the right direction. "My bounty is as boundless as the sea, My love as deep; the more I give to thee, The more I have, for both are infinite." Romeo and Juliet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoAspen Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Trump doesn't pay taxes, smart he says. Trump doesn't pay his contractors, smart he would say! No if the Clintons were doing such, oh the 'hue and cry' for their heads!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoAspen Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Evidently what many Americans want, is to be able to do the same, so vote Trump!! GayatfootofCross 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted September 29, 2016 Author Members Share Posted September 29, 2016 How many here use itemized deductions on their tax returns? The only reason for doing that is to reduce (and some can even eliminate) the amount of taxes owed. Many times I've not had to pay any federal taxes. Even the Clinton's had over $2.24 million in deductions last year. Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GayatfootofCross Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Can't make this stuff up. http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-pol-trump-women/#nt=notification ^ Employees at Trump's California golf course say he wanted to fire women who weren't pretty enough no taxes only pretty ladies allowed not paying workers What kind of kingdom does he want? Quote For all Eternity God waited in anticipation for You to show up to give You a Message - YOUR INCLUDED !!! { a merry dance }?️? " If you tarry 'til you're better You will never come at all " .. "I Will Rise" by the late great saved Glen Campbell If your picture of God is starting to feel too good to be true, you're starting to move in the right direction. "My bounty is as boundless as the sea, My love as deep; the more I give to thee, The more I have, for both are infinite." Romeo and Juliet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted September 29, 2016 Author Members Share Posted September 29, 2016 Of course, Trump has dirty laundry. So does Clinton. Clinton kingdom, for example: ignores/refutes rape victims "can't remember" critical information questionable deaths of former associates GayatfootofCross 1 Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 18 minutes ago, GayatfootofCross said: Can't make this stuff up. http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-pol-trump-women/#nt=notification ^ Employees at Trump's California golf course say he wanted to fire women who weren't pretty enough no taxes only pretty ladies allowed not paying workers What kind of kingdom does he want? Oh yes,you can make this stuff up. Proof please. Is this someone wanting to jump in and get his 15 minutes of fame? One of the many lying about Trump as the many that lie about Clinton? I don't know and it is pretty safe to say neither do you. Have you read the many statements by those verbally abused by Hillary Clinton? I do believe that she verbally abused Marines were protecting her.We know someone extremely well that was close friends of a Marine guarding the sweet Mrs Clinton. Very unflattering Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 26 minutes ago, GayatfootofCross said: Can't make this stuff up. http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-pol-trump-women/#nt=notification ^ Employees at Trump's California golf course say he wanted to fire women who weren't pretty enough no taxes only pretty ladies allowed not paying workers What kind of kingdom does he want? Please prove that those making these statements are lying.... Then tell me how you know they are. Then tell me how you know everything you read that "someone said" concerning Trump is true... Where is the G*damn f**king flag! I want the G*damn f**king flag up every morning at f**king sunrise.” Inside the White House by Ronald Kessler, p.244- Hillary to staff at the Arkansas Governor’s mansion on Labor Day 1991. F**k off! It’s enough I have to see you [censored]-kickers every day, I’m not going to talk to you too!! Just do your G*damn job and keep your mouth shut.” America Evita by Christopher Anderson, p.90-Hillary to her State Trooper body guards after one of them greeted her with “Good Morning.” “If you want to remain on this detail, get your f**king ass over here and grab those bags!” The First Partner p.259- Hillary to a Secret Service Agent who was reluctant to carry her luggage because he wanted to keep his hands free in case of an incident. “Stay the f**k back, stay the f**k back away from me! Don’t come within ten yards of me, or else! Just f**king do as I say, Okay!!?” Unlimited Access by Clinton FBI Agent in Charge, Gary Aldrige, p.139- Hillary screaming at her Secret Service detail. “Where’s the miserable c**k sucker!” The Truth About Hillary by Edward Klein, p.5- Hillary shouting at a Secret Service officer. “You f**king idiot” Crossfire p.84-Hillary to a State Trooper who was driving her to an event. “Put this on the ground! I left my sunglasses in the limo. I need those sunglasses. We need to go back!” Dereliction of Duty p.71-72– Hillary to Marine One helicopter pilot to turn back while en route to Air Force One. “Come on Bill, put your ..... up! You can’t ... her here!!” “Inside the White House” by Ronald Kessler, p.243-Hillary to Gov. Clinton when she spots him talking with an attractive female. Heavens, no! It could get subpoenaed. I can’t write anything. Jim Lehrer News Hour, when asked if she keeps a diary, hours before a jury in Little Rock, Arkansas, returned guilty verdicts against Clintons’ business partners; May 29, 1996 Quotes from: Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GayatfootofCross Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 7 minutes ago, rudywoofs (Pam) said: Of course, Trump has dirty laundry. So does Clinton. Clinton kingdom, for example: ignores/refutes rape victims "can't remember" critical information questionable deaths of former associates Remind me to not get on her bad side. And If Trump wins I am getting plastic surgery to look even more pretty so I won't be deported. Quote For all Eternity God waited in anticipation for You to show up to give You a Message - YOUR INCLUDED !!! { a merry dance }?️? " If you tarry 'til you're better You will never come at all " .. "I Will Rise" by the late great saved Glen Campbell If your picture of God is starting to feel too good to be true, you're starting to move in the right direction. "My bounty is as boundless as the sea, My love as deep; the more I give to thee, The more I have, for both are infinite." Romeo and Juliet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 1 hour ago, CoAspen said: Evidently what many Americans want, is to be able to do the same, so vote Trump!! Do you take every deductions you are entitled to by law? The reason for that as most understand is to limit your debt as much as possible Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 1 hour ago, CoAspen said: Evidently what many Americans want, is to be able to do the same, so vote Trump!! Long before Trump, deductions have been in place to lower your tax burden. I am pretty sure you use them as well,not because you are forced to but to pay as little as possible. Having the farm saved us many thousands in the 17 years we lived there. The rules for deductions have been in place for a long time. Not sure if rules have stayed the same but at that time you could declare a loss for three out of five years. And yes,you can operate doing just that and not cheat. It doesn"t or didn't have a requirement as to how much profit you had to make.It is a simple matter of having expenses exceed income by the end of the year. We raised sheep and heifer calfs. If it appeared our profit would put us in a much higher income,we purchased replacement stock in Dec for the stock we would ship in Jan. I am sure you would not have utilized a farm to reduce your tax load but everyone else takes the deductions allowed by law Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Just curious altho I am sure no one will answer. Was Barack Obama one of those out to destroy Hillary Clinton by telling lies when he said she was dishonest,would promise anything to get elected and then do nothing? Would you put him on the same level with the same level of belief as all the "truth tellers" that tell unflattering stories about Trump? Was Obama lying? Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GayatfootofCross Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 1 hour ago, rudywoofs (Pam) said: How many here use itemized deductions on their tax returns? The only reason for doing that is to reduce (and some can even eliminate) the amount of taxes owed. Many times I've not had to pay any federal taxes. Even the Clinton's had over $2.24 million in deductions last year. Pam, It is only cause the Clinton's release of their tax returns that we know this. Quote For all Eternity God waited in anticipation for You to show up to give You a Message - YOUR INCLUDED !!! { a merry dance }?️? " If you tarry 'til you're better You will never come at all " .. "I Will Rise" by the late great saved Glen Campbell If your picture of God is starting to feel too good to be true, you're starting to move in the right direction. "My bounty is as boundless as the sea, My love as deep; the more I give to thee, The more I have, for both are infinite." Romeo and Juliet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 Didn't answer Pam's question Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted September 29, 2016 Moderators Share Posted September 29, 2016 Trump does not bother me it is his supporters that more reprehensible than he. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted September 29, 2016 Share Posted September 29, 2016 8 minutes ago, lazarus said: Trump does not bother me it is his supporter that more reprehensible than he. The pot and the kettle again. Clinton supporters are seen as reprehensible because her supporters can only stomach supporting her by playing "Hear no evil,see no evil" Or by helping her play the victim for decades.Everyone but Hillary lies. Most Trump supporters,using supporter loosely ,know the faults and wrong doing of Trump as well as Clinton but cant quite stomach the fawning over someone they believe to be totally corrupt. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted September 29, 2016 Moderators Share Posted September 29, 2016 Sounds like you're a trump supporter. Tom Wetmore 1 Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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