Rove Reportedly Tells Bush: I Will Be Indicted and

May 13, 2006

Posted on May 12, 2006

From USA Today

Karl Rove, the architect of President Bush’s two successful White House campaigns and a longtime policy and political advisor, has informed Bush that he will soon be indicted in connection with the CIA leak case, according to a published report.

Top Bush aide Karl Rove has told the president that he will be indicted in the CIA leak case and will resign upon the public announcement of the charges, according to Truthout.

Rove may be charged with perjury, obstruction of justice and lying to investigators.

Within the last week, Karl Rove told President Bush and Chief of Staff Joshua Bolten, as well as a few other high level administration officials, that he will be indicted in the CIA leak case and will immediately resign his White House job when the special counsel publicly announces the charges against him, according to sources.

Details of Rove’s discussions with the president and Bolten have spread through the corridors of the White House where low-level staffers and senior officials were trying to determine how the indictment would impact an administration that has been mired in a number of high-profile political scandals for nearly a year, said a half-dozen White House aides and two senior officials who work at the Republican National Committee.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, sources confirmed Rove’s indictment is imminent. These individuals requested anonymity saying they were not authorized to speak publicly about Rove’s situation. A spokesman in the White House press office said they would not comment on “wildly speculative rumors.”

Rove’s attorney, Robert Luskin, did not return a call for comment Friday.

Rove’s announcement to President Bush and Bolten comes more than a month after he alerted the new chief of staff to a meeting his attorney had with Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald in which Fitzgerald told Luskin that his case against Rove would soon be coming to a close and that he was leaning toward charging Rove with perjury, obstruction of justice and lying to investigators, according to sources close to the investigation.

[:"green"] Oh Shaaaane! Cousin Karl is in trouble. HERE is the link to the story.[/]

May 13, 2006

Same charges that President Clinton was impreached on.

May 14, 2006

Check this out

Fitzmass comes again.....

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/051306W.shtml

May 14, 2006

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May 14, 2006

It is odd this story hasn't been picked up by the mainstream press.

ABC News:

Cheney the Focus of CIA Leak Court Filing

MSNBC:

A Fresh Focus on Cheney

CNN:

CIA leak probe looks at Cheney writings

I haven't found nothing to verify the report - - - which I find odd.

May 14, 2006

Where is the USA Today link to this story?

May 15, 2006

Well, if Rove was indited, the mainstream press missed out on the story. I didn't see it on any of the Sunday political shows.

And he is back to work today...

Rove Blames Iraq War for Low Bush Numbers

May 16, 2006

Grand jury meets next on Wednesday, so I guess we'll see...

May 16, 2006

Salon.com > Walter Shapiro:

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I will confess to being the only journalist on the Web who has no idea when or whether Patrick Fitzgerald will charge Rove with a crime in the CIA leak inquiry.

Please, provide me a link to this story about a grand jury meeting to indite Karl Rove. I can't find any information on it.

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Despite low approval ratings, "I'm sanguine," Rove said. "I know our own polls."

He said that Bush's likeability, his personal approval ratings, were in the 60s in some polls. "Job approval is lower. And what that says to me is that people like him, they respect him, he's somebody they feel a connection with, but they're just sour right now on the war. And that's the way it's going to be."

Rove Blames Iraq War for Low Bush Numbers

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Rove, who is deputy White House chief of staff and Bush's top political adviser, brushed aside a question on his own role in the federal CIA-leak investigation, saying he would not go beyond statements by his attorney. "Nice try," Rove told the questioner.

May 16, 2006

I don't think I said they're meeting on Wednesday to indict Rove, I just said that, as far as I know, their next scheduled meeting is on Wednesday. Then we'll see what we see, I guess.

May 16, 2006

http://www.threetwoone.org/audio/leopold.mp3

[:"green"] Leopold threatened to reveal his sources if what they told him wasn't true.[/]

My sources from the liberal forum put this link out to reasure that Rove is going to be indicted. And that Leopold is the source and is reasuring everyone that he will go public if his anonomyous sources feed him foul information.

May 16, 2006

I am very cautious about putting much faith in stories that are only reproted by one source. I remember during the 2004 election season Matt Drudge came out with a report that Kerry was having an affair with an intern. A few of the talk radio shows were discussing it although at least they were not reporting it as fact but as a story put out by Drudge. In the end it turned out that Drudge had a bad source.

I would not be surprised if this story is true. That is, I don't put it past Karl Rove to lie in an effort to hide something he thinks would be bad for the administration. If he did, he should take his punishment and not whine and cry about it like President Clinton did. However, what would surprise me is that the mainstream press didn't pick up on the story. If the story is true, there should be more than just one liberal journialist with a source.

May 16, 2006

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He said that Bush's likeability, his personal approval ratings, were in the 60s in some polls. "Job approval is lower.

This sums my attitude up well. I like Bush as a person and think highly of him BUT I don't think he is doing a good job on a number of issues (Iraq War, budget deficit, immigration, alternate fuels & healthcare reform). He has done a super job on the economy. The economy is booming despite high gas prices and unemployment is low.

May 16, 2006

More on this story from Salon: in which they pretty much say they doubt it: http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2006/05/16/rovereporting/index.html

And a letter from Salon on the economy that rings true to me:

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How does Rove or anyone else in this administration dare to talk about the economy as a gold star on their report card? We're the neighbor who has everything, the new car, the 60-inch plasma screen, the Disney cruise for the whole family -- the envy of the neighborhood until the credit card people come and take it all away. Of course the economy is humming, with hundreds of billions in government debt and a nice little war to keep it going. To say there's ANY comparison with the Clinton, pay-as-you-go years is ludicrous. Bush is going to leave us with a credit-card hangover like none before.

May 16, 2006

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More on this story from Salon: in which they pretty much say they doubt it: http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2006/05/16/rovereporting/index.html

And a letter from Salon on the economy that rings true to me:

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How does Rove or anyone else in this administration dare to talk about the economy as a gold star on their report card? We're the neighbor who has everything, the new car, the 60-inch plasma screen, the Disney cruise for the whole family -- the envy of the neighborhood until the credit card people come and take it all away. Of course the economy is humming, with hundreds of billions in government debt and a nice little war to keep it going. To say there's ANY comparison with the Clinton, pay-as-you-go years is ludicrous. Bush is going to leave us with a credit-card hangover like none before.

The paragraph says it all. Age old problem,live beyond your means and then find someone to blame. How can anyone in their right mind make a statement like the above and then say "Bush is going to leave us with a credit card hangover like none before"?

Bush must be a incredibly powerful man. More so than anyone ever thought. He is to blame for the Disney cruise, plasma TV, the new car and makes the average american charge it on their credit cards. People like this need a credit card hangover.

May 16, 2006

Um, you might want to re-read a little more closely. The whole credit card thing is a metaphor for the national debt of the US. The argument is that the economy of the country looka good because it is being stimulated by massive spending, but that that spending is based on debt, not on actual revenue, and there will be a reckoning to come.

May 16, 2006

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Um, you might want to re-read a little more closely. The whole credit card thing is a metaphor for the national debt of the US. The argument is that the economy of the country looka good because it is being stimulated by massive spending, but that that spending is based on debt, not on actual revenue, and there will be a reckoning to come.

Of course. Still doesn't change the fact that most people live beyond their means. Or at least on the edge of their ability to pay back. From the homes they buy to the cars they drive, if they can somehow qualify for credit they will run it to the max.

Try convincing the majority of parents their teens will not die nor have their lives ruined if they fail to have 150.00 tennis shoes. Try telling the parents that expensive SUV with the TV in the back to keep junior quiet isn't really a necessity. Try telling them they do not need a new vehicle every 2-3 years. Mine is 8 years old, with 100,000 miles. Paid cash and will drive it till I no longer can. The 120.00 designer jeans. Necessity? Hardly, but it will be on their credit card bill because junior had to have.

Watch the old plastic in the stores when you shop. Recently a family was ahead of me in Wal- Mart. I could have fed my family of six for a month with the cost of their weeks worth of groceries. Everything for the microwave,open a can, instant mashed potatos. Clothes, even by Wal-Marts prices, insanity. Had to have a matching everything, shoes in three colors so as to match the extensive everything else that was bought. Everything on the credit card. Bush's fault? Hardly.

The husband commented to the wife as to which card to apply it to. She responded that the other card was maxed out.

I watch what sells online as that is what I do. When parents need to spend upwards of 150.00 for a pair of boutique overalls and ask if I can wait a week before they pay as they won't have the money till then, they are responsible. Not the national debt. I rwally don't care what any president spends. I am responsible for my own foolishness if I spend what I don't have.

Have you seen the designer pacifiers that are must haves for dress up for babies?? Poor dears simply have to have and will charge 2-3 on their credit cards so that is matches the outfit. A few rhinestones and they are 32.00 a pop.

Put the name boutique on anything and you will see how fast the old plastic comes out.

This has nothing to do with Bush or any president. This is not necessities that is charged. It is keeping up with the Jones.

It is hardly a metaphor. I work in a home improvement center. Same goes there. The old credit card comes out. Not essentials, but lawn ornaments, 250.00 birdbaths. Monster TVs. Many times two, so that dad can have his own away from the kids.

Bush does not influence how I spend. If I don't have it or it would be more beneficial to place somewhere else, I DON"T GET IT!!!!!! I don't have a credit card and I live just fine without it.

I do not buy the expensive microwave junk for groceries. Never would I pay 150.00 for tennis shoes, and then whine I can't make ends meet.

Yeah, there will be a day of reckoning. That I was taught as a child, long before Bush. The day of reckoning would come if no one had ever heard of Bush. Or at least that is what my bible tells me. Maybe if another party is elected next time, prophecy will be changed and we will not suffer severe economic woes.

But in the meantime, I will be a little prudent where I spend my money. And if I am not, am not going to look for a politician to blame for my idiocy.

May 16, 2006

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The argument is that the economy of the country looka good because it is being stimulated by massive spending, but that that spending is based on debt, not on actual revenue, and there will be a reckoning to come.

This portion of what you posted holds true for families, which in turn does represent the economy of the country. The personal economy looks fine as long as you can be a part of the massive spending credit cards allow you. Personal spending habits are not based on actual revenue or income. Their day of reckoning will come.

The family today that bought three expensive video games. Mommy's little angel threw a fit and had to have so and so game because all his friends had it already. Then of course his two siblings, not to be outdone had to have their pick as well. Close to 175.00 by the time mommy was done giving in to the tantrums of her little angels. Then of course on top of that were the items she wanted or needed. Out came the plastic again.

Wonder how much a politician influenced her spending? My guess , not to much. More than likely her own responsibility in money matters and her failure to reign in her children will be the reason for her economic mess.

May 16, 2006

I totally get all of that, and agree: consumer credit is a scourge, and one of the key sicknesses of our society.

You have still digressed off the key issue, or missed the point. The bit is not about blaming Bush for consumer debt, not at all.

The point is that Bush is doing the same with the country as a whole as the people you're talking about do with their personal finances. He is cutting revenues through tax cuts (analgous to deciding to work less hours in a family) and at the same time spending multiple billions on the war and on all manner of other programs for the whole of the country. And the effects on the whole country of that living beyond its means will be the same as the effects would be for an individual family.

Do you understand? This is *not* about claiming Bush is to blame for consumer credit problems. It's about using consumer credit issues to explain why what he's doing nationally is a really bad idea: and to explain why his claim that the economy is strong is illusory.

May 17, 2006

The US has run deficets for a very long time. In fact, the first Secretary of Treasury, Alexamder Hamilton believed a little debt was good for the country.

Now the debt can only be measured in repsect to the GDP (Gross Domestic Product). Comparing it to personal debt, it is saying that the amount of debt a person has can only be measured against the person's income. A waitress that earns $18k/year and has $5,000 of credit card debt is in much worse trouble than a businessman earning $90k/year that has $25,000 of credit card debt. Although both scenarios are scary.

My point is that we cannot have an informed discussion about the national debt or deficet without knowing what percentage of the GDP it is and how it compares to past years.

Anyone claiming that President Clinton was on the "pay as you go" plan needs to hang their head down in shame. The biggest reason we had a balanced budget at the end of the 90s is because the tech sector boomed. Silicone Valley produced thousands of dot-com millionaires and more money poured into the national treasury than had been forecast. In addition to that, a conservative Republican Congress, led by Newt Gingrich, cut spending and reduced growth. The Democrats villianized the Republicans for each program that was cut or had its growth reduced.

When the dot-com, tech bubble popped, millions of wealth was lost and revenues dropped. The tech crash carried over into the rest of the market and millions more of wealth was lost and revenues dropped even more. Then 9/11 happened, the market dropped more, more wealth was lost and revenues dropped more. Unemployement increased and revenues dropped more. The nation went to war and created the Department of Homeland Security. The budget was in crisis. Revenues were down and expenses were up.

Bush should have called for national sacrifice like FDR did during WW2. But Baby Boomers and Gen Xers are too spoiled. The problem is much bigger than Bush and it is shameful for anyone to try and make him a scapegoat. Our run away national debt is due to two spoiled generations that don't know sacrifice. We are not the WW2 generation that went through the Great Depression and saved the world from tyranny. If we wanted to controll spending Congress would do that. Congress controlls the purse strings.

May 17, 2006

One thing I have always found interesting is those that work for salary have such views of the tax cuts. Your analogy is poor at best. Cutting revenues is not like a family cutting work

hours. Most of my immediate family is either a business owner or self employed. We did not have the luxury of putting in a set number of hours and receiving a set amount of money. The Reagan tax cuts were the best thing that happened to small business owners. Funny thing happened with that. We worked more hours instead of less and actually paid more in dollars for taxes. We paid more because there was more work and there was the incentive to take it. Not nearly as much of our hardearned money percentage wise was going to the government.

Everyone from the independent truckers, of which my brothers are, to steel erection as another brother, to painting contractor as my husband, and almost every other business benefitted and paid more actual dollars in taxes. But our share was more to.

Health costs alone are killing the small business owner.

I would love to see some programs cut, unfortunately fat chance.

To many on the dole that are not willing to give up their"sugar daddy"

There really is no sense in debating the cost of the war. Yeah, it is costly. All wars are. Depends on how you view the war itself if you think it to costly

I believe there will be economic disaster, or at least my bible says so. No where in there does it specify which party. I don't think it is going to matter which party when the time comes. If so, then we obviously should have a one party rule. Strictly democrat and all will be well in the finacial world and God's words may not be true

In the meantime I will ignore all of the arm chair politicians and watch my spending habits and live within my means.

I am not going to count on either republican or democrat to settle the financial woes. Both spend far to much and far to carelessly.

But it is fun to speculate I guess and decide each of us knows just what is wrong and if only they would listen to us"All Would Be Well With Our World"

In the meantime give me some tax breaks

May 17, 2006

Here is a link that puts the deficits in prespective with the GDP. Bush Deficits

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While the current deficits (2002-2008) run about 2% of GDP on average, only a single year from 1975 to 1995 met this same definition - the rest were much higher.

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if the war on terror build-up, coupled with a weaker economy had not occured the US budget would have most likely stayed in surplus and public debt as percent of GDP would have continued to decline.

May 18, 2006

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Here is a link that puts the deficits in prespective with the GDP. Bush Deficits

Excuse me, but what does Bush's deficits have to do with Karl Rove ?????? <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/mf_surrender.gif" alt="" />

Stay on topic, and if you want to talk about Bush's economic policies, I would kindly suggest that you [highjacking terrorists] consider starting a new thread... <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

May 19, 2006

Has Rove been indited yet?

May 19, 2006

<img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Still waiting and watching... don't worry, I have no problem acknowledging that I guessed wrong if that's how it turns out. <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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