Abu Musab al-Zarqawi

[Neil D]

Al-Qaida in Iraq's al-Zarqawi 'terminated'

Terror group confirms death, vows to continue holy war

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the al-Qaida leader in Iraq who waged a bloody campaign of suicide bombings and beheadings of hostages, has been killed in a precision airstrike, U.S. and Iraqi officials said Thursday. It was a long-sought victory in the war in Iraq.

Al-Zarqawi and seven aides, including spiritual adviser Sheik Abdul Rahman, were killed Wednesday evening in a remote area 30 miles northeast of Baghdad in the volatile province of Diyala, just east of the provincial capital of Baqouba, officials said.

Al-Zarqawi was eliminated, Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said.

National obituary of Al-Zarqawi

[Robert]

This is interesting:

Berg: No good in al-Zarqawi's death

By RANDALL CHASE, Associated Press Writer 32 minutes ago

The father of Nicholas Berg, a U.S. contractor believed to have been beheaded by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in Iraq, said Thursday that al-Zarqawi's killing will only perpetuate the cycle of violence in the Middle East.

"I think al-Zarqawi's death is a double tragedy," Michael Berg told The Associated Press after learning a U.S. airstrike had killed the leader of al-Qaida in Iraq. "His death will incite a new wave of revenge. George Bush and al-Zarqawi are two men who believe in revenge."

Al-Zarqawi is believed to have beheaded two American civilians in 2004: Nicholas Berg, a 26-year-old businessman from West Chester, Pa., and Eugene Armstrong, a 52-year-old contractor from Hillsdale, Mich. Jack Hensley, a 48-year-old engineer from Marietta, Ga., was abducted at the same time as Armstrong and also killed.

Armstrong's family did not want to discuss al-Zarqawi.

"An evil man is dead, and what more can you say?" said family spokeswoman Cyndi Armstrong, the wife of the slain contractor's cousin.

Michael Berg, a pacifist who is running for Delaware's lone House seat on the Green Party ticket, said al-Zarqawi's death is likely to foster anti-American resentment among al-Qaida members who feel they have nothing left to lose.

Berg said the blame for most deaths in Iraq should be placed on President Bush, who he said is "more of a terrorist than Zarqawi."

"Zarqawi felt my son's breath on his hand as held the knife against his throat. Zarqawi had to look in his eyes when he did it," Berg added, pausing to collect himself. "George Bush sits there glassy-eyed in his office with pieces of paper and condemns people to death. That to me is a real terrorist."

Al-Qaida in Iraq confirmed al-Zarqawi's death and vowed to continue its "holy war," according to a statement posted on a Web site. The group has taken responsibility for numerous attacks on U.S. and Iraqi targets in the past few years.

"I think in this case justice has finally been served," said the Rev. Jerry Gladson, who had been Hensley's pastor at First Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) of Marietta.

[Dr. Shane]

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Michael Berg, a pacifist who is running for Delaware's lone House seat on the Green Party ticket

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Enough said...

This is a good victory... no doubt. Down here in Costa Rica I only have access to CNN and their spin on it is interesting. Their spin is that as happy as President Bush and Iraq´s prime minister are... Osamma bin Laden must be just as happy because al-Zarqawi was their competition.

[lazarus]

How does one survive 1OOO lbs of ordinance and have a head and torso left relatively intact and be able to try to flee the scene! Wow!

[Parade Orange]

I hated that me, a christian(only by faith), was happy he died! I hate thinking like that in this foul, terribly thought out war. He was a child of God who did deployable things. I have done same deployable things also!.. though not in the same catagory and not in the media.

Armstrong and Getty and Michael Savage had a big problem with the father Berg. We judge so much! Those guys wouldnt give father Berg him a spit of water if he was thirsty.

Very brutal!

I hate being happy that he may have died without God. I have problems with me thinking like that for more than a second.

[there buster]

Hitler's Death Seen as Insignificant to German War Effort

BBC "News"

Berlin, Germany. April 31, 1945

Militant leader Adolf Hitler has been killed, Prime Minister Churchill has announced.

"Hitler has been eliminated," Mr Churchill said at a news conference in Paris, sparking sustained applause by non media personnel.

Hitler was considered the figurehead of the German insurgency. He was allegedly the leader of the Wehrmacht, blamed for killing millions of Jews and Allied forces.

"Russian military police were first on the scene after the apparent suicide," said Mr. Churchill, followed shortly afterwards by Allied forces.

Hitler was not a global mastermind like Kaiser Wilhelm, says the BBC's security correspondent, Frank Gardner. Instead he was a bloodthirsty and violent thug, who made enemies and several mistakes that might have contributed to his downfall. These included attacking the Soviet Union in violation of non-aggression pact as well as declaring war on the United States in 1941, our correspondent says.

His death does not mean either the Nazi elements or nationalist fighters will give up, says the BBC News's world affairs correspondent, Paul Reynolds. Indeed his removal might well bring about an explosion of revenge by his followers, he adds. see it here

[aldona]

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lazarus said:

How does one survive 1OOO lbs of ordinance and have a head and torso left relatively intact and be able to try to flee the scene! Wow!

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This is how...

(Source: ABC (Australia) news website, Mon. 12 June 2006)

Al-Zarqawi beaten to death, "witnesses" say

[Dr. Shane]

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He was a child of God

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I read where EGW stated that nonChristians are not children of God. Revelation calls them "inhabiters of the earth," Paul calls them "children of disobedience" and in an espitle John calls them "children of the devil."

"The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together." Rom. 8:16, 17

"They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed." Rom. 9:8

"For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ." Gal. 3:26, 27

"Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not." 1 John 3:1

[CaseyButler]

At the end of the parable of the Good Samaritan, Jesus tells us:

"But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion (on him),

"And went to (him), and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.

"And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave (them) to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee." [KJV-Bible: Luke 10:33-35]

He paid for a day's rations, oil and wine represent the Spirit, the Spirit of God and the Spirit man respectively.

What do you suppose the Good Samaritan's words to the Innkeeper were, Shane?

Perhaps he said:

"...A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and (see) thou hurt not the oil and the wine." [KJV-Bible: Revelation 6:6]

Jesus continues:

"Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?" [KJV-Bible: Luke 10:36]

Currently Muslims are suffering through the biggest theft in world history: A theft of wealth, culture, and resources propagated in the name of God and Jesus Christ.

Now the best description of God in the Bible was given by Jesus in His Sermon on the Mount. He said:

"Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

"But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

"That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust." [KJV-Bible: Matthew 5:43-45]

God loves His "enemies". God blesses those who persecute Him, and does good to them that hate him.

Perhaps two pennies is all it takes to understand the love and compassion of God and Jesus Christ.

Concerning the children of God:

Now it seems to me that John did a darn good job of defining the "core beliefs" of the children of God:

"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

"Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

"And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that (spirit) of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world." [KJV-Bible: 1 John 4:1-3]

Jesus was even more liberal in His definition:

"Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me. I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

"He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." [KJV-Bible: John 12:44-48]

Going by your message here, it appears you have rejected the words of Jesus, Shane.

In the Qur'an Muhammed confesses that Jesus came in the flesh.

In the Qur'an Muhammed professes his belief in Jesus.

In the Qur'an Muhammed acknowledges us that Jesus is Christ - the Anointed Messiah of God.

Muhammed in the Qur'an obligates all Muslims to believe in the revelations that came prior to the Qur'an: Which are the Torah, the writings, the books of the prophets, and especially the Gospel of Christ.

Do most Muslims do that?

Well...

Do you as a "Christian" love your enemies? Apparently not according to your message here.

Do you own possessions? Do your rely completely on God for food and clothing? Do you keep the commandments as He asked you to do? Do you mislead people about God's love for all the earth because "scholars" and "theologians" assure you its okay to contradict His Word?

And God's Word, the Words from God, are plain spoken Love for all mankind.

Jesus said:

"...How can Satan cast out Satan?

"And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.

"And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.

"And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.

"No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house." [KJV-Bible: Mark 3:23-27]

Hear what Jesus said! Satan has an end.

Consider for a moment that the strong man might represent religion - of any denomination or type: Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, etc...

All are clubs of like-minded individuals worshipping God that work with governments to direct the Spirits of the people of God, our human species, teaching them hatred against others in order for that government to gain power, wealth, and the the approval of the world for themselves.

Now today religions are so divided and their doctrines so contradictory, mystical, and ineffective that they are exposed for what they are.

The characteristics of "Satan" stand revealed: Religion is the root of mankind's evil towards his fellow man.

Religion represents the exaltation of self at the expense of God and the people whom God loves.

Which are the poor and the unbelievers and the sinners that Jesus Christ came and died for.

The Prophet Muhammed understood all of this, so did Mrs White, and every other prophet. Each laid many snares of their own for those who would be false gods to his or her followers.

Which means the theologians and scholars who make a living from God's Word, actually make money in exchange for "saving" people. They seen in Revelation as the "Harlot of Babylon".

Jesus also laid snares for the future false gods of Christianity who have piled up wealth for these last days.

Because as Paul says, God chose the "foolishness of preaching" to spread the Gospel.

The Truth is, the Prophet Muhammed is the Good Samaritan.

He found Arabia mired in idolotry and abomination, the Arab people ignored by Christianity (Paul dismissed Arabia as under the Law, not the Promise) and by Judaism (which became even more elite and called converts to Judaism "a sore on the body of Israel".

Arabia, the children of Abraham, passed and ignored by the priest and the Levite.

Like Moses before him, Muhammed taught the Word of God to his tribal people in words they could understand, in concept that would be familiar to them and their culture.

Muhammed then left Islam with earth's Innkeeper, the Body of Jesus Christ on earth.

The Christians.

Isn't it time we stopped using that name blasphemously with the Beast, and started really believing in God that Jesus died to testify the Character of?

The God that would not kill even if we tried to kill Him?

Mrs. White knew that the "Church Triumphant" would overcome its own religion, its own hard-heartedness developed through decades of persecution and disappointmen.

Now is the time, IMO.

When we come out of the darkness and into the Light - it is ourselves that we can suddenly see clearly.

In the Light God can help us - He can help examine our own hearts.

Jesus again:

"Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

"Therefore say I unto you, The Kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

"And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder." [KJV-Bible: Matthew 21:42-44]

That nation is Islam, and it is unstoppable except by God.

Casey

[Dr. Shane]

When one compares Abu Musab al-Zarqawi to the Good Samaritan they obviously don't grasp the lesson Jesus sought to teach. Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is no good Samaritan.

Now we get off track if we start to discuss whether or not God has "children" in other religions. I happen to believe He does BUT it is still by faith in CHRIST that they are children of God - although they do not realize their faith is indeed in Christ - as they are lead by the Holy Spirit. But as I said, such a discussion will get us far off track.

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi showed no evidence that he was living a Spirit-filled life in the Christian understanding of the term. His fruits showed evidence of disobedience and rebellion. We have no evidence that he was living a life led and filled by the Holy Spirit. Thus we have no reason to believe he was a child of God in the New Testement meaning of the term.

[Dr. Shane]

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"Therefore say I unto you, The Kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

"And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder." [KJV-Bible: Matthew 21:42-44]

That nation is Islam, and it is unstoppable except by God.

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Wow! Quite a new gospel we have here. Both EG White and Muhammed are prophets <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> What is the name of this new church? Seventh-day Islamic Adventists?

[CaseyButler]

It is the religion of Jesus: Worship God...

I did not compare Zarqawi to the Good Samaritan, that is Muhammed, the disciple of God....

But now that you mention it, there is a verse describing Zarqawi and those like him, spoken by Jesus:

"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." [KJV-Bible: John 15:13]

It is apparently a verse in need of revival among those using armor and 500-pound bombs to protect their "lifestyle".

Casey

[Dr. Shane]

The way I read my Bible, John 15:13 is a reference to Christ, not Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. But, I know, a small minority of radical Islamics consider Abu Musab al-Zarqawi on the same level as Christ. <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> [shutter at the thought]

[Neil D]

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When one compares Abu Musab al-Zarqawi to the Good Samaritan they obviously don't grasp the lesson Jesus sought to teach. Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is no good Samaritan.

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That depends upon your point of view, Shane....

For those in the middle east, the US is the Great Satan...the country that accumulates wealth and power to itself and spends it luxuriantly upon itself. After all, we have cars, they have to walk...We get to drive to the otherside of town and take all of 15 minutes, they have a two hour walk in some cases. We have the internet, with it capabilitys to picture the item to be sold, to sell our goods without ever leaving home...Thier business is there home, and they must attend to it, by physically moving things out for the buyer to see, manufacture the item in thier home, using thier family as laborers...We work a 40 work week, and get overtime for hours worked over 8 per day or 40 per week. They work from sun up to sun down, often 12-14 hour days 6 days per week....They haggle, we set prices.

we have TV, so do they but thier TV is not all that entertaining...They think we see pornography every day, with shows like Bay Watch, ect. All women dress like the women in Bay Watch, or some sembelance of model clothing. Everyone has enough food to eat...They don't have enough, and sometimes go hungry.

If you lived in a culture that claims that the live style of Americans is addicting, and extravagent, while you sat in squalor, and all thier policies would be to support that lifestyle, you would cheer anyone who struck out at that lifestyle...They would be a hero because they would be forcing those extravigant people to [hopefully] change thier views [at the very least, look at those views] to support the communities of the world.

That is why Zarqawi is looked upon as a hero in some communities of the middle east.

And that is why our current policy of terror is a waste...It doesn't change the thinking of the middle eastern man...and until you change the thinking of the middle eastern man, these past 8 years have been a total waste of money and effort.

[Dr. Shane]

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That depends upon your point of view, Shane....

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Of course it does. Those that belive the Bible is the inspired Word of God and the only rule of faith are going to see things differently than Islamic terrorists that don't believe Christ was the Son of God and don't belief in His resurection.

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They work from sun up to sun down, often 12-14 hour days 6 days per week....They haggle, we set prices.

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[Neil D]

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Of course it does. Those that belive the Bible is the inspired Word of God and the only rule of faith are going to see things differently than Islamic terrorists that don't believe Christ was the Son of God and don't belief in His resurection.

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While I didn't bring religion into this, it does play a part in the assessment of opinion. And thier opinion is NO LESS important that ours...The question is, can we haggle over what we can do to create a compromise that is advantageous to both parties? I think that we can....without compromising our Christian values nor thier Islamic beliefs... Otherwise, we will be sacrificing needlessly our men and women on the altars of pride and prejudice.

[Dr. Shane]

I suspect a good compromise can be made with moderate Islamics but let's not fool ourselves into believing that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was any where near a moderate.

[Neil D]

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I suspect a good compromise can be made with moderate Islamics but let's not fool ourselves into believing that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was any where near a moderate.

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If moderate Islamics can not answer the questions that radicals ask, then moderate public opinion moves toward the radicals and the general public is leaning toward the radical element.

We see this principle time and time again even in our own politics.

America needs to answer this with education and economic opertunities within those goverments. Give the public something to do, and reward them economically, and you avert the threat of war, and even adverse opinion. Right now, there is NO incentive to bring about a change of opinion....

[Dr. Shane]

America cannot micromanage the governments of other nations. The solution is within their reach but we cannot make them take it. America is not the problem but can be part of the solution in the form of a trading partner.