Dr. Shane Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Well, what are your thoughts? I think going to war over a few captured soldiers is a little bit of an over-reaction. That is not to say I think they should give into the demands of the terrorists and release the prisoners but just think about it... There have been three Israeli soldiers kidnapped. Won't even more than that be killed in a war? And for what purpose? To save the original three? Now if Lebanon had WMDs than that might be a different story. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted July 14, 2006 Author Share Posted July 14, 2006 Israel has now declared war. Get ready to pay more at the pump. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aliensanctuary Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 I think Israel's day of retribution is coming. Quote The Parable of the Lamb and the Pigpen https://www.createspace.com/3401451 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kountzer Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Hezbollah and the palestinians started it by invading and kidnapping 3 israelie troops. Then when Israel strikes back everyone wants to cry foul. Quote I prayed for twenty years but received no answer until I prayed with my legs. Frederick Douglass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amelia Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 When has Israel not been at war with someone? Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amelia Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 I couldn't find a formal declaration of war. Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pockey Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Israel: who are the real terrorists? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted July 14, 2006 Author Share Posted July 14, 2006 I heard it last night on FOX News that Israel had declared war on Hezbollah. Perhaps it was just a figure of speech the reporter was using. I know some can say that Hezbollah or Hamas started it but there is a difference, in my mind, between kidnapping and acts of war. I may be wrong but I think it foolish to plunge into an all-out war over a few kidnapped soldiers. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Gerr Posted July 15, 2006 Moderators Share Posted July 15, 2006 Then at what point/number of kidnapped soldiers do you respond? 4? 5? 10? 30? If another country knew that we would go to war or hunt down to the last kidnapper over one kidnapped American citizen, I doubt there would be many endangered Americans. If you were that kidnapped soldier, how would you like it if your country just shrugged its shoulders & say, well, it's just one soldier; not worth going to war over. Gerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted July 15, 2006 Author Share Posted July 15, 2006 The problem is inconsistancy. Israel has exchanged prisoners for kidnapped soldiers in the past. So by doing that, they actually encouraged such groups to kidnap more soldiers. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kountzer Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Shane said: The problem is inconsistancy. Israel has exchanged prisoners for kidnapped soldiers in the past. So by doing that, they actually encouraged such groups to kidnap more soldiers. <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> It is easy for us over here to kick back and criticize Israel for how they react, but the truth is we don't know what they have to go through. Every country in that region hates Israel. They hate the U.S. just as much, but we are not their neighbors. Israel is smaller than New Jersey and they don't have all that many troops, not for the type of potential violence they face. Quote I prayed for twenty years but received no answer until I prayed with my legs. Frederick Douglass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Gerr Posted July 15, 2006 Moderators Share Posted July 15, 2006 Perhaps they are changing their tactics because they saw the error of their ways. I am neither pro-Israel or pro-Palestinian. Until both sides learn forgiveness and sharing, there will be no end to the animosity. Gerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Gerry Cabalo said: Perhaps they are changing their tactics because they saw the error of their ways. I am neither pro-Israel or pro-Palestinian. Until both sides learn forgiveness and sharing, there will be no end to the animosity. Gerry <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> You got to be kidding! Learn forgiveness? Did you forget this? "If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing." Sorry, most Israelis and Palestinians reject Jesus Christ. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Gerr Posted July 16, 2006 Moderators Share Posted July 16, 2006 Maybe they heard the gospel from you, but after hearing it, they're still doing the same old thing. <img src="/adventist/images/graemlins/mittelgr124.gif" alt="" /> Gerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> D_Bishop said: Every country in that region hates Israel. They hate the U.S. just as much, but we are not their neighbors. <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Why do they hate? The UN (mostly headed by the US) gave back the Jews their homeland, after WW II, at the expense of those who had ownership of it at that time. It's like President Putin of Russia taking Florida back from the US and giving back to the Indians. What would the US do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted July 20, 2006 Moderators Share Posted July 20, 2006 I generally find myself in sympathy and agreement with Israel rather than with the Palestinians, possibly at least partly because Israel doesn't strap bombs on people for the purpose of blowing them and others to smitherines. Also we seem to have more in common with Israel in many other ways, such as love of democracy and admiration for rational thinking. I just can't feel much sympathy for people who blow up mothers and kids and grandpas while they're getting on buses or eating in a restaraunt. I lost my interest in the cause of the Palestinians for that reason a long time ago. Who would support me if I strapped a bomb on my kid's back and sent him to my neighbors house to blow them both up in his doorway? I know the arguments on both sides but I just won't blame Israel if they don't stop until they completely kill off all the people who keep lobbing bombs at their homes. If they stopped before they do that, they would only have to do deal with more bombs tomorrow and who can live that way? Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted July 20, 2006 Members Share Posted July 20, 2006 I liked your comments John317, very much. I think they are right on. I'd say that Jews have been picked on for many years also in this country by many different groups of people, and throughout there whole history. pkrause Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> John317 said: I just can't feel much sympathy for people who blow up mothers and kids and grandpas while they're getting on buses or eating in a restaraunt. <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> You're missing the point! The land doesn't belong to Israel...they lost it just like the Indians lost the land here. As to your above comment, well, it's about war. If you can't beat them through normal military actions you turn to drastic means. Nothing is holy about war, nothing....Look what the USA did in Japan. Thousands of innocent Japanese were killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted July 21, 2006 Author Share Posted July 21, 2006 There was no Palestinian state in the 1880s and 1890s when the Jews started returning to their homeland. It was then part of the Ottoman Empire. The Arabs that lived in the area were not distinguished from the Arabs that lived in any of the surrounding areas. The area was not formally known as Palestine until after the British gained control of the area after WW1. Upon arriving the Jews bought pieces of land (with money) and started farming. The immigration of the Jews back to Palestine continued in waves throughout the 20th century. Tensions grew between the Jews and the Arabs in the area. (Just like Mexicans moving to the US and buying land) In 1917 the British government officially endorsed the idea of a Jewish homeland in Palestine. The need for such became undeniable after the Holocaust. At that time there were already more than 600,000 Jews living in Palestine and it was under British rule. So basically the Ottoman Empire consisted of many of the present day Arab nations and only a small slice was given to the Jews, where they were living had actually purchased the land. The so-called Palestinians are not a different breed of Arab than the Iraqis or Syrians are. </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> It's like President Putin of Russia taking Florida back from the US and giving back to the Indians. What would the US do? <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> There are some major differences. The land was not taken from the Palestinians - it was taken from the Ottoman Empire. The land consisted of Turkey, Libya, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Jordan. Over the course of time, the Arabs were given all of it (divided into the various states) and the Jews were given a small piece, where they had bought land with their own money. I support Israel’s right to be a nation and to live where they live. I am a strong supporter of Israel but I think they have gone overboard in this case. Terrorism is a fact of life there. No matter how many they kill they are not going to get rid of it. They simply have to deal with it as if it were some kind of natural disaster like hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, etc. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aliensanctuary Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 These mass-murdering suicide-bombing death-loving terrorists are not controlled by human logic, nor do they possess human hearts. Their master is the Evil One, who delights in human misery and death, because, what are we, his stupid slaves, and our wellbeing worth to him? A common-sense approach might be, if a person's land is taken away from them, to just move on with life elsewhere if the occupier's are too strong. One of Israel's Prime Ministers in 1948, after the war in which several Arab states attacked Israel, allowed a number of Palestinian refugees to return their homes in Palestine, thinking the two groups could live together in peace, according to one website's account. Terrorist acts harm both sides by increasing suspicions and restrictions, and tend to only incite military response, thus increasing the gulf between the two peoples. Only Demons and the humans they control get a rush when human lives, people just doing their grocery shopping or going to work, are snuffed out. At some point in time before 1948, more Jews had settled in Palestine than Arabs. Maybe in the future there will be more Hispanics than Anglos in the western states of the USA, changing our political future if they unite to support legislation and policies benefiting themselves. Maybe if I were a Jew living in Israel, I'd be trying to destroy Hezbollah and Co. too. Unless, of course, they renounced murder and mayhem and inborn hatred and decided to live in peace. Quote The Parable of the Lamb and the Pigpen https://www.createspace.com/3401451 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted July 21, 2006 Author Share Posted July 21, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Maybe in the future there will be more Hispanics than Anglos in the western states of the USA, <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> This is already the case in Texas and New Mexico. There are also more Asians in Hawalli than Anglos. But this is the thing... we can live in peace together. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Shane said: The land was...taken from the Ottoman Empire...the Jews were given a small piece, where they had bought land with their own money. <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> This is bull! Here's what happened: "On the 29th November, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish State in Eretz-Israel; the General Assembly required the inhabitants of Eretz-Israel to take such steps as were necessary on their part for the implementation of that resolution. This recognition by the United Nations of the right of the Jewish people to establish their State is irrevocable." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Aliensanctuary said:These mass-murdering suicide-bombing death-loving terrorists are not controlled by human logic, nor do they possess human hearts. Their master is the Evil One <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> One man's terrorist is another man' freedom fighter. All war is evil. What part of that can't you understand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> Aliensanctuary said: Maybe if I were a Jew living in Israel, I'd be trying to destroy Hezbollah and Co. too. Unless, of course, they renounced murder and mayhem and inborn hatred and decided to live in peace. <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Hmmm? Returning evil for evil....Nice.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted July 21, 2006 Author Share Posted July 21, 2006 </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr /> On the 29th November, 1947 <hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> That is jumping to the end of the story. One has to go back quite a bit further, like I did in my post, to get the real story. Jews immirgrated to the area, bought land and settled down while it was under the rule of the Ottoman Empire. This is simular to the way that immirgrants move to the US, buy land and settle down. They didn't steal any land. They moved there and bought it. The only land that can be said to have been stolen is what was taken during wars they have had. They have given back land to Egypt, Syria and the Palestinians. The only land they still have from a war (other than their war for independance) is the West Bank. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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