The Presidential Debates of 2024

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📺 It's presidential debate week

Data: Pew Research Center; Chart: Axios Visuals 🎤 The first presidential debate of 2024 is set for Thursday, bringing former President Trump and President Biden to the same stage for the first time since their heated showdowns in 2020, Erin Doherty writes. It's the earliest presidential debate in modern history, coming before either candidate has officially been nominated by their parties. It also will be different from the 2020 debates: There won't be an audience aside from CNN moderators Jake Tapper and Dana Bash, and the candidates' microphones will be cut when it's not their turn to speak. Both changes are aimed at avoiding the raucous mess that the first 2020 debate became. 👀 The intrigue: This is the first time in more than three decades that the debate isn't being organized by the nonpartisan Commission on Presidential Debates. CNN is the official host, but the network is allowing its rival networks to carry the debate with certain stipulations, such as displaying CNN's logo. Flashback: The most-watched presidential debate in modern history was the first one between Hillary Clinton and Trump in 2016, averaging 84 million viewers across 13 channels, per Politico.

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Debate countdown

 

The Biden and Trump campaigns are making their final preparations for CNN's presidential debate on Thursday. Both teams have spent weeks honing their messages on an array of issues, from the economy to foreign affairs to abortion. President Joe Biden has sought to rally potential voters around reproductive rights, especially young female blocs that are crucial to his reelection chances. His campaign is hosting dozens of events across the country today to mark two years since the Supreme Court's Dobbs decision, which overturned Roe v. Wade and the federal legal right to an abortion. Meanwhile, former President Donald Trump praised Supreme Court justices over the weekend for their role in tightening state-level restrictions on abortion and limiting access to the procedure. 

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Here’s what’s at stake for Biden and Trump in this week’s presidential debate

NEW YORK (AP) — Rarely, if ever, has one candidate in a presidential debate had so much material to use against the other.

https://apnews.com/article/debate-trump-biden-what-to-watch-366ccaf83068a3c64e262bcca945d6ae?

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📺 Trump claims debate ambush

Former President Trump's campaign is openly brawling with CNN ahead of Thursday's blockbuster presidential debate, warning of a "three against one" ambush that can only favor President Biden, Axios' Zachary Basu writes.

• Why it matters: Instead of "working the refs," Trump and his allies are attacking them — attempting to set expectations by accusing CNN moderators Jake Tapper and Dana Bash of anti-Trump bias.

CNN anchor Kasie Hunt abruptly ended an interview with Trump campaign press secretary Karoline Leavitt yesterday morning after Leavitt repeatedly tried to raise Tapper's past critical coverage.

• The reaction from MAGA world was swift and deafening, prompting CNN to issue a statement saying there "are no two people better equipped" than Tapper and Bash "to co-moderate a substantial and fact-based discussion."

🔎 Zoom in: Thursday's prime-time showdown marks the first time in decades that a single TV network — and not the nonpartisan Commission on Presidential Debates — will organize a general election debate.

• The moderators and their role in live fact-checking are under intense scrutiny given Trump's long-running war with CNN and false claims about the 2020 election.

The big picture: Trump's own rhetoric has fluctuated wildly when it comes to expectations for Thursday night's affair in Atlanta.

• After calling on Biden to debate him "anywhere, anytime, any place" — and saying he'd be "willing to take anybody" as moderator — Trump complained Saturday that the debate format is "like death."
• Trump also suggested last week that Biden would be a "worthy debater," raising expectations after months of claiming his rival could barely walk or form sentences.

📊 New this morning: Trump holds a slight edge over Biden in Georgia despite his historic felony conviction, according to a new Atlanta Journal-Constitution/University of Georgia poll. Go deeper.

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Trump’s Debate Prep Is Whining and Making Stuff Up

The ex-president is on a long losing streak, and he needs his followers to believe it’s everyone’s fault but his own.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-debate-prep-is-whining-and-making-stuff-up?

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🤔 Questions we'd ask at the debate

⚡️ The biggest moment (so far) of the presidential campaign arrives Thursday night (9 pm ET), as President Biden faces former President Trump in their first — and perhaps only — debate of 2024.

• 👀 And as usual, we have questions. So with apologies to CNN debate moderators Jake Tapper and Dana Bash, here are a few we'd like to hear the candidates answer:

For Biden:

1. 🗳️ If you're re-elected, you'll be an 86-year-old man in one of the world's most stressful jobs before your second term is up. What changes would you make to account for that, and assure Americans that you're capable of serving that long?

2. 📈 The stats tell us the economy is doing well, but many voters aren't feeling it because of inflation — and they're blaming you. What do you say to them, and are you frustrated that much of your messaging on the economy's progress hasn't resonated with many Americans?

3. Knowing now what you didn't know when Hamas attacked Israel last October, would you have done anything differently regarding Israel? How do you assess the political damage to your candidacy from progressive Democrats whose votes you need, but who are angry about Israel's actions against Palestinians?

4. 📆 Why did it take so long for your administration to respond to the influx of migrants at the southwestern border? Republicans made clear early in your term that they'd attack you on the issue — and now polls suggest it's among your biggest vulnerabilities.

For Trump:

1. You've questioned the president's mental acuity, but in several speeches you've told rambling stories that haven't made a lot of sense, slurred your words and gotten people's names wrong. Do you understand why some voters are wondering about your mental acuity?

2. 💪 You're signaling that you want to dramatically increase presidential powers. Your 2025 plans include mass deportations, ordering the Justice Department to prosecute political foes, and replacing civil servants with loyalists. Wouldn't centralizing power like that amount to replacing what you call D.C.'s "swamp" with a swampier swamp?

3. 🇺🇦 You've called Russian President Vladimir Putin a "genius" and "savvy" for invading Ukraine, and said that as president you could quickly end the war there. Would that plan involve Ukraine giving up land Russia took in the war — essentially rewarding Putin?

4. You've praised the Jan. 6 protesters who were convicted, calling them "patriots" and "hostages." You haven't said much about the 140 police officers wounded that day, the officer who was killed or the four others who died by suicide in the months after the assault on the Capitol. Do you regret anything about Jan. 6 — besides Congress certifying your loss in the election?

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A historic showdown between President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump is set for Thursday on CNN when the presumptive major party nominees meet for their first debate this election cycle. Advisers and allies of Trump have privately encouraged him to focus intensely on the economy, crime and inflation, citing poll numbers that reflect he has the upper hand on these issues, sources familiar with the conversations tell CNN. Biden's team, on the other hand, is setting up Trump as "unhinged" and unfit for a return to the Oval Office. Biden has also been participating in mock debates at Camp David this week as he confronts widespread doubts about whether he has the physical and mental capacity to handle a possible second four-year term.

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📸 1 for the road: Debate prep

Photo: Gerald Herbert/AP Dwight Hall, a field technician for CSPAN, pushes gear as he sets up in the spin room for tomorrow's CNN debate between President Biden and former President Donald Trump.

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How the Biden-Trump debate could change the trajectory of the 2024 campaign   Joe Biden and Donald Trump are taking part in Thursday night’s debate in Atlanta. Not only is it the first-ever matchup between a sitting president and a former one, but it’s also the first debate for either candidate in this year’s election. The debate will start at 9 p.m. ET. Read more.

Why this matters: Both candidates are disliked by majorities of Americans, according to polling, and both offer sharply different visions on virtually every core issue. Biden and Trump are entering the night facing fierce headwinds, including a public weary of partisan politics.   Rarely, if ever, has one candidate in a presidential debate had so much material to use against the other. Trump has been convicted of 34 felony counts with serious charges, but it remains to be seen if Biden can press the case against Trump and circumvent potential attacks on his son, Hunter Biden, who was recently convicted on three felony charges in a federal gun trial.

RELATED COVERAGE ➤ How to watch the first general election presidential debate   FACT FOCUS: A look at the false claims you might hear during tonight’s presidential debate   How memorable debate moments are made: On the fly, rehearsed — and sometimes without a word uttered

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🐘 Debate gap

Data: Syracuse University/Ipsos. Chart: Axios Visuals Republicans are more invested in watching the face-off between President Biden and former President Trump than Democrats or independents, Axios' Margaret Talev writes from Syracuse University/Ipsos polling. 75% of Republicans in the survey said they're likely to watch a televised debate between the rivals, compared with about 60% of Democrats and 58% of independents. Why it matters: Trump and his team have sought to temper expectations and conservative media narratives that he'll outperform Biden. Tonight, these will be put to the test. Many Americans "really believe this narrative that Biden's this senile old man who's secretly or not-so-secretly controlled" by Vice President Harris and Trump's "going to clean the floor with him," said Ipsos pollster Chris Jackson. Keep reading. 📸 Tonight's debate stage   Photo: CNN This is the stage for tonight's 90-minute debate in Atlanta. It'll be the first presidential debate to be held in a studio — with no live audience — since Kennedy-Nixon in 1960. How to watch. Photo: Kevin Dietsch/Getty Images The debate is being held at Turner's Techwood Campus in Midtown Atlanta. CNN is using Studio D, normally home of the baseball show "MLB on TBS," The Atlanta Journal-Constitution's Rodney Ho reports. 🎤 Video: CNN's Phil Mattingly and Victor Blackwell tour the set, and show how the control room will "mute the mike" when the other candidate is talking.

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😱 Debate dread

President Trump and then-former Vice President Biden at a debate in 2020. Photo: Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post via Getty Images

Debate night in D.C. typically brings Super Bowl-level excitement to a city that can get high off the sweet smell of democracy and knows all the lyrics to "I'm Just a Bill." But this go round, people seem to be … dreading it. The big picture: In years past, debate nights and town halls have been must-watch events: Over 73 million people tuned in to then-presidential candidate Biden and President Trump duke it out in September 2020. They've also provided D.C.'s chronically online with some seriously viral fodder: The fly on Mike Pence's head, Ken Bone (and the follow-up "sexy Ken Bone" costumes), Mitt Romney's "binders full of women." But this year's "45" vs. "46" rematch is provoking unprecedented angst: A quarter of Americans hold unfavorable views of both Biden and Trump — the highest share of "double haters" at this stage in any of the last 10 elections. And it doesn't help that they're both, well, older dudes. State of play: While most Americans plan to watch tonight's debate, the vibes feel different in D.C. now. Gone are many of the 2016-style watch parties, when every bar between Del Frisco's Steakhouse and Stoney's was airing the show and pouring punny political cocktails. Tonight's lineup feels decidedly slimmer. And depressing. Case in point: the "Pie Divided" 'za at Navy Yard's Side Door Pizza. It's half "Orange Cheeseburger Pizza" plus a side of "Rikers Island Dressing." And half "Sleepy Joe," loaded with "tryptophan-heavy" blue crab dip. What they're saying: "Interest in [watch parties] has dropped off rapidly," says Mackenzie Conway, co-owner of Capitol Hill's Fight Club. Why? "No one's enthralled by the positives of either candidate; I guess is a way to say it without cursing." The other side: The Capitol Hill bar Union Pub, a longtime go-to for Hill staffers watching debates or State of the Union addresses, expects to see a healthy crowd at its party tonight. But the vibe might be more rubbernecking than rejoicing: "Excitement is not the word," says Union Pub spokesperson Sam Sanchez. "I think there's definitely interest in the spectacle of it all." ⬇️ Read on for a place to watch. Or take the advice of one D.C. Reddit poster and just hit up "Anywhere close to a park bench where we can all sit and cry." Full story.

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📺 Debate deets

By Kelly Tyko and Mike Allen

Photo illustration: Aïda Amer/Axios. Photo: Olivier Douliery-Pool/Getty

If you going to grin and bear it through the Trump vs. Biden showdown tonight, here's what to expect: There will be no live studio audience — a major change from past debates. CNN anchors Jake Tapper and Dana Bash will moderate. ✏️ The rules: CNN says candidates' microphones "will be muted throughout the debate except for the candidate whose turn it is to speak." Why it matters: The Biden campaign pushed for that in an effort to control former President Trump, who likes to play by his own rules. Plus: "The 90-minute debate will include two commercial breaks ... [C]ampaign staff may not interact with their candidate during that time," per CNN. "Both candidates agreed to appear at a uniform podium, and their podium positions will be determined by a coin flip." More deets.

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🍻 Where to watch

Union Pub in 2020. Photo: Eric Baradat/AFP via Getty Images

Many of D.C.'s staple spots are showing out for debate night. Here's where to go for watch parties and drink specials in D.C.: 🇺🇲 Union Pub (Capitol Hill): The "political sports bar" goes all-out with the debate on all TVs, a presidential drinking game and many specials like $16 Presidential Pilsner pitchers and $6 "orange is the new orange" cocktails. 🍻 Red Derby (Columbia Heights): The dive bar is showing the debate with specials ($3 beers, $3.5 house shots, half-off grilled cheese) on the first floor. Escapists can go to the rooftop. 📺 Shaw's Tavern (Shaw): The tavern will show the debate throughout, including the covered patio. Bar is first come, tables require reservations (seating starts at 7:30pm). More watch parties.

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CNN's Trump-Biden debate draws 48 million viewers in drop from past elections

Roughly 48 million people tuned into the first general election debate between former President Donald Trump and President Joe Biden Thursday night, according to preliminary ratings from Nielsen, marking a significant decline in television viewership compared to the first general election debates of the last two presidential races.

https://www.axios.com/2024/06/28/biden-trump-debate-ratings-viewership-election?

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Biden age bomb

ATLANTA — President Biden's debate performance triggered a meltdown of epic proportions last night, uniting Democrats of all stripes — optimists and bedwetters — in a state of unprecedented panic, Axios' Zachary Basu, Alex Thompson and Hans Nichols write.

• Why it matters: On the biggest stage in politics — with rules and a date specifically requested by the Biden campaign — Biden amplified voters' gravest fears.

🖼️ The big picture: This is history. It'll be talked about for generations. It will replace Richard Nixon sweating in 1960 as the most disastrous performance in a televised debate. And that's the view of Democrats.

• Yes, Biden had some good moments. Yes, he can blame his soft, sandy voice on a cold. But you can't spin away how old he looked, how haltingly he spoke, how often he tripped over words.

Biden is 81 and former President Trump turned 78 this month. The age difference looked much vaster.

• Trump spewed falsehoods and defended the rioters who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6.

🗞️ Biden's obvious frailty, rambling answers and constant gaffes led N.Y. Times columnist Nick Kristof to declare: "I hope he reviews his debate performance Thursday evening and withdraws from the race, throwing the choice of a Democratic nominee to the convention in August."

• The Times' Tom Friedman, one of Biden's favorite columnists, wrote that the debate made him weep: "Joe Biden, a good man and a good president, has no business running for re-election." The headline: "He Must Bow Out of the Race."

🔎 Zoom in: With breathtaking speed, private discussions about Biden's expected performance against Trump went from optimism to shock — and even questions about whether Biden could continue his campaign.

• A "disaster," a former Biden administration official called it.
• "It's sad. But it also makes me so mad to think of all the smart people lying and trying to make this work," a former Biden White House official told us.

"Catastrophe ... Unimaginably bad ... It's Waterloo," an influential Democratic campaign veteran texted me during the debate.

• "DEFCON 1 moment," David Plouffe, former President Obama's campaign manager, said on MSNBC. "The concern level is quite high."

Screenshot: CNN

The intrigue: It was the Biden campaign that pushed for the earliest general-election debate in presidential history. Trump just accepted the terms CNN had hammered out with Biden's camp — including no studio audience, and mikes that muted when it was the other guy's turn.

• Biden "was over-prepared and relying on minutiae when all that mattered was vigor and energy," a person in the president's orbit told Axios. "They prepared him for the wrong debate. He was over-prepared when what he needed was rest. It's confounding."

🤧 A source close to Biden tells me had a cold, but tested negative for COVID.

 

💣 Push to boot Biden

Congressional Democrats told us that Biden on the ticket would cost them seats in November.

• "Democrats were imagining scenarios in which party elders like Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, former Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California and Representative James E. Clyburn of South Carolina were to intervene with Mr. Biden," the N.Y. Times' Peter Baker reports.

Dave Wasserman of the Cook Political Report tweeted: "This debate making abundantly clear that Biden's insistence on running for another term — when 66% of voters in our swing state poll believe it's likely he won't be able to finish a second term — has gravely jeopardized Dems' prospects to defeat Trump."

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👀 What we're watching: If Biden were to leave the race, ambitious Democrats would have a very compressed calendar to make their case to be the party's nominee. The party's divisions would play out in the open.

• Many Democrats privately question Vice President Harris' ability to connect with voters. But it's unlikely the party would pass over the first Black and woman vice president.

 

💡 Debate takeaways

1. Biden's slow start

• Panic set in among Democrats when Biden froze during an answer just minutes into the debate. Trump was quick to capitalize on Biden's stumbles: "I really don't know what he said at the end of that sentence. I don't think he knows what he said either."
• Biden found his footing later in the debate, landing shots on Trump for bragging about the end of Roe v. Wade and leaving behind a COVID-wrecked economy.

2. Format favored Trump

• After attacking CNN all week over the debate's rules, Trump appeared unusually measured on stage — perhaps benefiting from the lack of an audience and mic cuts that shut off his ability to interrupt Biden.
• The split-screen broadcast wasn't kind to Biden, who often stared during Trump's answers with his mouth agape. Trump smirked when his opponent stumbled over his words.
• The moderators, CNN's Jake Tapper and Dana Bash, didn't fact-check either candidate in real-time — allowing Trump to make at least 30 false claims and Biden to make nine, according to a post-debate CNN analysis.

3. Bizarro world takes over

• In a striking reminder of just how unusual this election is, Biden rattled off a list of Trump's alleged crimes and civil liabilities, including his felony conviction.
• "You have the morals of an alley cat," Biden shot at Trump, to which the former president responded: "I didn't have sex with a porn star."
• Toward the end, the two men sparred over their golf handicaps — culminating in Trump urging his foe: "Let's not act like children." Biden shot back: "You are a child."

The bottom line: A new YouGov poll found that in a blind test, Biden's policy proposals were far more popular than Trump's.

• For many Democrats, Biden's debate debacle confirmed that their biggest problem isn't their message — but their messenger.

 

📺 Harris does midnight cleanup

Vice President Kamala Harris admitted President Biden had a "slow start" but said he had "a strong finish" as she went on CNN and MSNBC from Los Angeles amid their funereal post-debate panels.

• Why it matters: Harris won effusive praise on both networks as making a more effective case in less than 10 minutes than Biden did in 90, Axios' Erin Doherty writes.

"People can debate on style points. But, ultimately, this election and who is the president of the United States has to be about substance and the contrast is clear," Harris said during a testy CNN interview.

• She connected the "Joe Biden I know" to his record in office, citing his strengthening of NATO and creation of manufacturing jobs.

"It was a slow start — that's obvious to everyone," Harris told CNN, before pivoting: "I'm talking about the choice in November."

• "I'm not going to spend all night with you talking about the last 90 minutes when I've been watching the last 3½ years of performance."

On NBC, Biden campaign co-chair Mitch Landrieu said Biden "started off slow, but then he came back."

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Biden tries to confront Trump at debate but stirs Democratic panic about his candidacy Thursday’s presidential debate saw a raspy and sometimes halting President Joe Biden struggling to confront Donald Trump on the CNN stage, spurring panic from his party. Read more.

Key takeaways: Presidential debates are often scored on style and impression more than substance. Trump was confident and composed, even as he steamrolled facts on abortion and immigration with falsities, exaggerations, and empty superlatives. Biden was often halting, even when he had the facts on his side.   Biden’s uneven performance crystallized the concerns of many Americans that he is too old to serve as president. It sparked a fresh round of calls for the Democrat to consider stepping aside as the party’s nominee. Pressed early Friday about Democratic concerns with his showing and whether he should consider stepping aside, Biden said, “No, It’s hard to debate a liar.”   Trump was cruising through the opening of the debate when he suddenly stumbled over the question of how he would reassure voters that he would respect his oath of office after the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol. Trump continued to engage in denialism about the attack and declined to clearly state he would accept the results of the November election.

RELATED COVERAGE ➤ FACT FOCUS: Here’s a look at some of the false claims made during Biden and Trump’s first debate   Why it would be tough for Democrats to replace Joe Biden on the presidential ticket   CNN moderators in Biden-Trump debate: It almost didn’t matter that they were on stage

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Alarm bells are ringing among top Democrats over the 2024 race after President Joe Biden's debate performance left some to openly question whether he should remain the party's nominee. Biden struggled to articulate thoughts at points, while former President Donald Trump went on the offensive and steamrolled through multiple lines, often with abject falsehoods. The candidates sparred over the economy, immigration, foreign policy and more. But Biden missed several opportunities to fact-check Trump and counter him on issues like abortion, where Democrats have an edge among voters. The Trump campaign declared victory, while Biden's team brushed off concerns. Vice President Kamala Harris admitted that Biden had a "slow start," but urged Americans to focus on his accomplishments. According to a CNN flash poll, 67% of debate watchers said Trump turned in a better performance, compared to 33% for Biden.

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🥊 ICYMI: The debate's most memorable quotes

🤺 Biden's struggles got most of the headlines, but he did land a few jabs on Trump in a debate that was long on insults and short on cogent policy discussions. A review of some of Thursday night's most memorable zingers:

🤔 Trump: "I don't know what he said at the end of that sentence. I don't think he knows what he said either."

• In what many saw as the debate's signature exchange, Biden lost his train of thought when describing several of his accomplishments, ending with a curious statement: "We finally beat Medicare."
• Trump pounced, and followed up with this: "He did beat Medicare. He beat it to death, and he's destroying Medicare."

💥 Biden: "You're the sucker. You're the loser."

• Biden hit Trump on a long-reported story — confirmed by Trump's former chief of staff, John Kelly — about Trump calling military veterans "suckers" and "losers." (Kelly also has quoted Trump as saying didn't want to be photographed with military amputees because "it doesn't look good for me.")
• Biden's late son, Beau, was a veteran. The president made it personal with Trump.
• "My son was not a sucker or a loser," Biden said of Beau, who died of brain cancer in 2015.
• Trump, as he has in the past, said Kelly's recollection is false.

Trump: "I will not block" mifepristone, the abortion pill.

• Trump committed to not banning abortion pills at the federal level.
• Republicans have struggled to find their messaging on reproductive rights ever since the conservative-led Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade two years ago. Trump said mifepristone should be regulated at the state level; he's said the same thing about abortion procedures.

🇮🇱 Biden: "We saved Israel."

• Biden defended Trump's attacks on his foreign policy, particularly how the administration responded to Hamas' attack on Israel last year. Trump claimed the Hamas attack would have never happened if he had been in office.
• Biden took credit for protecting Israel from drone and missile attacks this year.
• Polls indicate many voters — particularly younger ones — disapprove of Biden's handling of the Israel-Hamas war.

👀 Trump: "He could be a convicted felon."

• Trump again hinted that if wins in November, his Justice Department could prosecute Biden. For what, exactly, isn't clear.
• Trump has talked a lot about retribution against Biden and political foes on the campaign trail. He said Thursday night that his retribution would be "success," even as he threatened Biden with legal action.
• The barb from Trump came after Biden pointed out that Trump is the only man on the stage who is a convicted felon.

🐱 Biden: Trump has "the morals of an alley cat."

Trump: "I did not have sex with a porn star."

• One of Biden's most aggressive attacks was when he went after Trump for his convictions in New York that stemmed from a hush money payment to porn star Stormy Daniels.
• Trump continues to deny he had sex with Daniels.

😭 Biden: "You're a whiner."

• Biden followed Trump's waffling on whether he'd accept the results of the 2024 election by saying his continued refusal to accept the 2020 results show Trump is a "whiner."
• Trump said he'd accept the 2024 results of the election is "fair." That was the same thing he said before the 2020 election.

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Trump Used “Palestinian” as a Slur. Biden and Debate Moderators Didn’t Say a Word.

Trump’s racist remarks toward migrants and Palestinians were met with little more than “thank you, President Trump.”

https://theintercept.com/2024/06/28/presidential-debate-trump-palestinian/?

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Golf, abortion, Jan. 6 and felonies: Biden and Trump’s memorable debate moments

President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump debated at CNN’s studios in Atlanta, Georgia, on Thursday night, the first showdown of the 2024 general election season for the presumptive presidential nominees.

https://floridaphoenix.com/2024/06/28/golf-abortion-jan-6-and-felonies-biden-and-trumps-memorable-debate-moments/?

Immigration policy fought over by Biden and Trump in Atlanta debate

Immigration occupies center stage in the 2024 presidential campaign and also was a major focus during the first presidential debate Thursday night between President Joe Biden and the presumptive GOP nominee, Donald J. Trump.

https://floridaphoenix.com/2024/06/28/immigration-policy-fought-over-by-biden-and-trump-in-atlanta-debate/?