Moderators lazarus Posted May 30, 2007 Moderators Share Posted May 30, 2007 Court documents that have recently been relased confirm that Valerie Plame was covert. http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/070529_Unclassified_Plame_employement.pdf Do you think all the right wing pundits (Hannity, Ingram, Limbaugh etc.) who said she was NOT covert will now conceed she was covert? Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
there buster Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 I don't know. Do you think they will ever prosecute Richard Armitage, the fellow who actually revealed her name to the press? Quote “the slovenliness of our language makes it easier to have foolish thoughts.” George Orwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olger Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 Don't care about that. Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 Quote: Do you think all the right wing pundits (Hannity, Ingram, Limbaugh etc.) who said she was NOT covert will now conceed she was covert? She was not "covert" at the time that all this happened. Even her husband had "outed" her before it went to the press. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
there buster Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 If we don't care who did it, then her status is irrelevant. Quote “the slovenliness of our language makes it easier to have foolish thoughts.” George Orwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted May 30, 2007 Author Moderators Share Posted May 30, 2007 Quote: Do you think all the right wing pundits (Hannity, Ingram, Limbaugh etc.) who said she was NOT covert will now conceed she was covert? She was not "covert" at the time that all this happened. Even her husband had "outed" her before it went to the press. Naughty, naughty Redwood, you didn't click the link did you? Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted May 30, 2007 Author Moderators Share Posted May 30, 2007 I dont think they will because they "let him off" so they could possibly get to who instructed him to do it! Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
there buster Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 Guess you haven't been following this closely. No one instructed Armitage to do it. He's quite clear about that. And since he a)worked for the State Dept., not the White House, and b)he was a critic of Bush, he did whatever he could to undermine Bush, not the other way around. Quote “the slovenliness of our language makes it easier to have foolish thoughts.” George Orwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted May 30, 2007 Moderators Share Posted May 30, 2007 I believe there were two separate sources of the leak. One was Armitage at State and the other, not named but likely Rove, was in the White House. The story quoted below said Armitage was the first leak and Rove confirmed it. That still means Rove revealed the information while she was covert. http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/30/leak.armitage/index.html Laz's question was quite specific though: will right wing pundits who unequivocally said that Ms Plame was *not* covert now issue retractions? That's an empirical question, so I guess we'll have to wait to see whether they will. Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 Originally Posted By: Redwood Quote: Do you think all the right wing pundits (Hannity, Ingram, Limbaugh etc.) who said she was NOT covert will now conceed she was covert? She was not "covert" at the time that all this happened. Even her husband had "outed" her before it went to the press. Naughty, naughty Redwood, you didn't click the link did you? You can't be considered covert is your "covert" status has been compromised by your husband. Yes she was technically "covert" but in reality since her husband had talked about her in public .... she was not effectively "covert". Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
there buster Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 Quote: The story quoted below said Armitage was the first leak and Rove confirmed it. That still means Rove revealed the information while she was covert. This is a real reach. There are a number of actions which change things permanently. Being 'covert' is one of those things. Once it's made public, she's never covert again. Your statement makes exactly as much sense as the following: She was a virgin until A took her virginity. Then B took her virginity the second time. OR She was alive until A shot and killed her. Then B shot and killed her a second time. OR She was covert until A revealed it. And she was still covert when her husband revealed it. And she was still covert until B revealed it. Obviously B is the real culprit. Quote “the slovenliness of our language makes it easier to have foolish thoughts.” George Orwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted May 30, 2007 Moderators Share Posted May 30, 2007 touché Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted May 30, 2007 Share Posted May 30, 2007 The far right-wingers will probably admit they were wrong about this when the far left-wingers admit they were wrong about Saddam having WMDs that he claimed to have destroyed. My bet is that it is not going to happen. One thing that seems clear, is that the reporting on this story has lacked credibility from most of the sources that covered it. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted May 31, 2007 Author Moderators Share Posted May 31, 2007 The far right-wingers will probably admit they were wrong about this when the far left-wingers admit they were wrong about Saddam having WMDs that he claimed to have destroyed. ??....not sure what u mean Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 I rest my case Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted June 1, 2007 Author Moderators Share Posted June 1, 2007 You can rest it if you want but r u saying that sadaam did have WMD? Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 Coalition forces have found over 500 pre-1991 weapons that were banned and Saddam had claimed that he destroyed. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bevin Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 Coalition forces found over 500 rusty and decaying poison gas shells left over from the millions used in the Iran Iraq war - and a few extreme right-wing people claim this satisfies the WMD criteria for the war. Even the Bush Whitehouse doesn't make this claim. /Bevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted June 2, 2007 Moderators Share Posted June 2, 2007 'WMD' is such a convenient term, because there is no fixed definition: it means what I want it to mean. Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Jeannieb43 Posted June 2, 2007 Moderators Share Posted June 2, 2007 Originally Posted By: Shane The far right-wingers will probably admit they were wrong about this when the far left-wingers admit they were wrong about Saddam having WMDs that he claimed to have destroyed. ??....not sure what u mean Me either. BTW, Valerie Plame is coming out with her own book on the subject, due to be released in a couple months. [i forget the title.] Quote Jeannie<br /><br /><br />...Change is inevitable; growth is optional.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 'WMD' is such a convenient term, because there is no fixed definition: it means what I want it to mean. Actually, I believe that the Bush Administration was using WMDs to refer to Nuclear bombs and Biological weapons...None of which were found...nor evidence that they were being manufactured. At least, that is what the news media was reporting about before the war. Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 So here my point is well made. We have had bevin, bravus, jeanine and neil all post reasons why they shouldn't admit they were wrong about Saddam lying. Fact is, no matter how one wants to play with semantics, over 500 weapons were found that were banned. These are weapons that Saddam claimed he had destroyed - not lost track of. Saddam lied. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 BTW: I can admit I was wrong about Plame. My opinion was based on various sources of news I read, listened to and watched. All of which don't appear they had the whole story. However that is not to say those critical of the Administration were right. That doesn't appear to be the case either. Seems a lot of people were saying a lot of things and very few people knew the real facts of the situation. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted June 3, 2007 Moderators Share Posted June 3, 2007 But the question was not whether Saddam lied, but whether Saddam had Weapons of Mass Destruction. I maintain that under any sensible definition of that term, he did not. Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted June 3, 2007 Author Moderators Share Posted June 3, 2007 Shane, come on, give it up! Only you, Sean Hannity and his wife believe this stuff. Do you really think the Bush admin would not have trumpeted that find as justification for war if it was WMD that Rumsfelt said was "in and around Bhagdad, North South East and West" :duno Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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