Guest Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Quote: What the $&%#* have you people been smoking? Vege-Marlboros Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Quote: Tagging on here ... Hey Nico, can't you tell??? Some here don't want to play tag. Tag...you're it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Quote: And here I thought I was "unshockable". Well blow me down -- you learn something new every day! Hey...ya see ..even Nico implies she was shocked...there is hope still for dagger talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Quote: What's next, folks -- a scheme for validating or invalidating everyone based on whether they prefer puppies to kittens or vice versa? I like both..that is until they grow up...Cats seem to be so snobby, selfish...like pet me, feed me, let me sleep, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Gail, It's ok.... Townhall is an avenue of THERAPY...which usually doesn't take place at church...with the way they cram irrelevant programs one aftert another.. Thanks for starting this thread. Gimmee, gimmee, gimmeee, I need, I need Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodema Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Quote: I can fully understand a person with a wounded history not liking it So can I. I gave an answer based on my own "averages" but I'll admit there are times when nobody'd better touch me -- since I thought those times would speak for themselves I figured I didn't need to specify every exact case that could arise in my life. However, I cannot understand why we need a full-blown propaganda campaign to make it seem like there is something dirty, wrong or false about people who don't mind friendly touch. As I rose from my computer and went into the kitchen to make some decaf, the answer came to me -- entirely unbidden, mind you. This degeneration of this thread was intended to point something out to me. For the past several weeks I've been internalizing all the negative messages people delight in feeding me about myself, my "conduct", how so very much less of a person I am than them because of my tendency to give full expression to how I feel (sometimes doing this first and taking bodycounts later), what rotten "people skills" I have, making me feel about as welcome and accepted as a fellow human being as a demon manifested in the most grotesque and sulphur-stinking form possible would be -- that is, not at all, but more a beast to be hunted, feared, driven out. This is not to say complaints about my conduct are never justified -- I think on some occasions they are -- just to relate how others tend to do it and how that impacts me. It occurred to my mind quite unbidden that now they have not only acted as badly as they accuse me of acting, but in my opinion worse because they have done so in a completely uncalled for location of space and time and context. And therefore I hereby want to declare this and I also want to state I never want to hear ANOTHER FREAKING WORD FROM ANY OF YOU about how I act until I know beyond all shadow of a doubt that I will NEVER have to witness another spectacle like this again in my LIFE. You all are JUST as paranoid, JUST as knee-jerk defensive, JUST as ready to read something not there into things as you all want to make it out that I'm the only person on earth who does those things. I've been internalizing all this [censored] and poison upon the assumption that you all are God's people and have every right and I'm just this messed up former Satanist who sometimes isn't all that clear or sure about the "former" part and so I deserve it ... you all had me so sold on the lie that you were better, you were not like me, you were "qualified" ... so that even if I argued I internalized it anyway ... I still saw you as the parents and me as the child, so to speak ... you as being in the right and me as either rebelling or else needing to get over myself and listen to you all ... well ENOUGH!!! This GARBAGE STOPS HERE AND NOW, YOU ARE OUTTED!!!!!! And your SPELL IS BROKEN!!!!! I never want to hear another peep about how messed up *I* supposedly am from ANY of you. Do you hear me? FROM ANY OF YOU!!! If THIS is the best you can do???? NOT ONE PEEP!!!!! Quote "After such knowledge, what forgiveness?" -- T.S. Eliot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cricket Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Amen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Quote: I guess I'm just a stupid, blind, naive idiot who thought we were simply having a nice friendly conversation about nothing more nor less than personal preferences about social contact. Boy was I wrong. You gotta watch EVERYTHING in this place, don't you. Oh come on now...this is par for the course...tangents, piggyback, tagging, digression, you have seen the threads...we can start with Daniel and his 3 friends and can end up with Dan Shelton and 3ABN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Quote: ... well ENOUGH!!! This GARBAGE STOPS HERE AND NOW, YOU ARE OUTTED!!!!!! And your SPELL IS BROKEN!!!!! I never want to hear another peep about how messed up *I* supposedly am from ANY of you. Do you hear me? FROM ANY OF YOU!!! If THIS is the best you can do???? NOT ONE PEEP!!!!! Sheesh!!! And I thought my post was industrial strength.. With Nico's input..we could get this thread out to a dozen pages at least! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Also,,, Stan can you come up with an ATOM bomb icon instead of just a flame...this thread might go thermonuclear! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Quote: ... you all had me so sold on the lie that you were better, you were not like me, you were "qualified" ... so that even if I argued I internalized it anyway ... I still saw you as the parents and me as the child, so to speak ... you as being in the right and me as either rebelling or else needing to get over myself and listen to you all To those liars who are victims of TYPICAL TOPICAL SERMONS.... PHIL 2 "3": Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Anyone ever been to an Italian SDA church? Do they shake hands, hold hands, hug and PINCH? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Quote: For the past several weeks I've been internalizing all the negative messages people delight in feeding me about myself, my "conduct", how so very much less of a person I am than them because of my tendency to give full expression to how I feel (sometimes doing this first and taking bodycounts later), what rotten "people skills" I have, making me feel about as welcome and accepted as a fellow human being as a demon manifested in the most grotesque and sulphur-stinking form possible would be -- that is, not at all, but more a beast to be hunted, feared, driven out. taking bodycounts later...LOL... The Marines are lookin for a few good.... Yeah...that hasn't happened to me lately...Shirley used to be on my case all of the time and gave up...she must have gotten up to 490 forgiving me. Then the rest out there must think I am an Antichrist wannabe,,so they keep their distance..thank heavens for 20 foot poles.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrell M Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 I've never been to an Italian church, but I think that the potluck would probably more than compensate for the touching. I love Italian food. I really don't like the fact that I don't like being touched. I envy those who enjoy it. I think that it can be a great form of communication where words can't fully say it. But, I can't help it. When someone puts their arm across my shoulders, their hand on mine, grabs my hand to hold for the duration of a prayer, gives me a lingering hug, puts their hand on my knee (thats one of the worst), stuff like that, I just cringe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Nico, I am glad you replied...it has me thinking of a larger issue... What makes people so TOUCHY about your candid writing style?? I don't have the clues other than to what you posted..but I am going to ramble on anyway... Is it the insecure, sheltered, monastic, holier than thou, exclusive, sanctuary, exclusive attitude/ mentality that SDA's are programmed with.. The ...we are the few FROZEN chosen against the BAAL majority out there ...who are going to hunt us down like gophers for breaking the Sunday law and being troublemakers of the Earth. So that there can be a sense of security..the institution has to constantly do damage control and keep everyone in lockstep..and things outside the realm of the convention threaten this security and make them cringe and anxious.. Well..TYPICAL TOPICAL SERMONS on the sabbath , 2nd coming ("WE got to get out of this place") Daniel, Revelation, Religious liberty, Matt 24, Laodicea browbeating,tithe...is just the recipe.. keep it up leaders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Italian food....mamma mia... It is almost as hard to find a good Marinara sauce as a good preacher.. friends...the touch thing might be related to the stranger aspect...especially if you were not raised that way.. I was not hugged hardly at all growing up..just the way it was in my family...I can relate to the sensitive.. I hug one guy at church I have know for years.. and another one who is a real close friend..but that's about it..I stay with a hand shake with most. I remember hugging a real close older lady friend of the family and just accidently patted her behind..and she pushed me away in shock and I was wondering what I did..just did it unconsciously and I had this puzzled look on my face which satisfied her that I was not being a loose pervert. I have hugged my kids all of their lives ..I think they feel ok with this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodema Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Quote: Nico, I am glad you replied...it has me thinking of a larger issue... What makes people so TOUCHY about your candid writing style?? Actually, I think most appreciate it. I get far more private messages expressing appreciation and offering me encouragement than I see naysayers trying to burn me at the stake over it. While I wish those who appreciate it would more readily voice their opinions in public instead of letting a squeakywheel minority dictate the status quo, I'm basically used to this. I had similar things happen in junior high (a.k.a. "middle") school -- where I was an outcast and considered a freak, never got to hang with the popular kids or get invited to their parties, but at the end of the year EVERYONE wanted to sign my yearbook, even the too-good-for-you snobs, and they all unanimously expressed admiration for the way I was willing to stand up for what I believed in and not afraid to express myself. So go figure. I just hope that by the time "they come for me" it won't be the case that there's no one left to speak up (like the old saying goes) ... Quote: Is it the insecure, sheltered, monastic, holier than thou, exclusive, sanctuary, exclusive attitude/ mentality that SDA's are programmed with.. I honestly could not answer that. I was not raised as one and my attempt to assimilate as one at the age of 16 when (I believed) God brought me to their doorstep was a miserable, dismal failure which ended around age 18-19 and one that resulted in the Satanist/occultist I became for the next 20 years. The only language I have to describe it is to compare it to the cliques and ingroup/outgroup nonsense I witnessed growing up and to say my greatest dismay was after fighting and clawing my way through life dying of thirst, wounded and hurting, to finally come to the golden palace I thought would be at last my refuge and sanctuary (in terms of human society) only to find the same nonsense IN there as was going on OUTSIDE of there, even though all the blazing adverts led me to believe I'd discover otherwise. But I cannot step far enough outside my own feelings and experiences to have any objectivity on the subject. Quote: The ...we are the few FROZEN chosen against the BAAL majority out there ...who are going to hunt us down like gophers for breaking the Sunday law and being troublemakers of the Earth. No, actually I seriously think this has nothing to do with it. Most of those who were really into the message were considered the "weirdoes" by the mainstream -- you know, you take it too seriously, you're too fanatic, etc. -- and I was one of those "weirdoes" at the time, so I don't think being really into the eschatology is the issue here. Quote: So that there can be a sense of security..the institution has to constantly do damage control and keep everyone in lockstep..and things outside the realm of the convention threaten this security and make them cringe and anxious.. This is typical authoritarian/institutionalised/conservative thinking, which (sorry to get political but its the truth -- I'll not name any group-names though) those who think this way codifiy beyond "gospel" into "normative", and eventually, if they gain social power, into the social pecking-order to which all must conform or suffer, and beyond that if they gain political/legislative power, into law. It is this stinking vein of virus that rots at the core of everything that gives rise to the abuses we see around us in political systems, corporations, even the mental health system (where the goal becomes not mental health but conformity, and "sanity" is defined as marching up and down the square to the authoritarian dictate where as protest, dissent, disagreement is redefined as "insanity" or "mental illness" or "personality disorder", etc.) and in a sense they create insanity because one cannot be fully sane if one cannot engage in TRUST ... and they remove all ability to exchange this human social currency, TRUST by being untrustworthy and leaving no room outside their system for people to "go". Quote "After such knowledge, what forgiveness?" -- T.S. Eliot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Quote: (sorry to get political but its the truth -- I'll not name any group-names though) those who think this way codifiy beyond "gospel" into "normative", and eventually, if they gain social power, into the social pecking-order to which all must conform or suffer, and beyond that if they gain political/legislative power, into law. It is this stinking vein of virus that rots at the core of everything that gives rise to the abuses we see around us in political systems, corporations, even the mental health system (where the goal becomes not mental health but conformity, and "sanity" is defined as marching up and down the square to the authoritarian dictate where as protest, dissent, disagreement is redefined as "insanity" or "mental illness" or "personality disorder", etc.) and in a sense they create insanity because one cannot be fully sane if one cannot engage in TRUST ... and they remove all ability to exchange this human social currency, TRUST by being untrustworthy and leaving no room outside their system for people to "go". See how it happens??...Touchy feely to politics..... ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bille Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Nico wrote: Quote: This degeneration of this thread was intended to point something out to me. And doubtless not "intended" for you alone, though how many of those for whom it was "intended" will recognize their own face in the mirror, I know not ... BUT ... based on the near total absence of any post designed to "touch" Nico in a soothing way ... and the plethora of unfeeling responses focused almost exclusively on the private hobby horses of the writer ... ah well, I shall leave it at that. While I have, in my so brief time with this group, grown rather accustomed to those who could be depended upon for such things as that which brought on Nico's outburst and insight, I must say that I was not at all prepared for the comment Quote: Oh come on now...this is par for the course...tangents, piggyback, tagging, digression, in the spot where one would have expected some kind of apology...nor has there been any "balm of Gilead" type in the ones that have followed till now. Frankly, I am appalled ... and even shocked ... though I had been quite sure my expectations were set low enough on some individuals who post here so as to be quite safe from their unexpected shattering. I was wrong. So sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Bille, Hang in there..or take a break as needed.. Expectations are linked to perspective..and with 23 posts you have a limited one.. As you can see above your post... Nico replied to me so we are on speaking terms and she has been around long enough to understand for the most part how I communicate.. Some emotion/humor/sarcasm..doesn't translate too well in text mode on forums..especially without face icons... yet your quote from my post..probably /should be taken by Nico in the correct fashion...not as the abrasive/insolent way that I think you did. Now that doesn't mean that I don't bring Archie Bunker or Don Rickles to tears..but I do have a sensitivity to the feelings of others... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Quote: I get far more private messages expressing appreciation and offering me encouragement than I see naysayers trying to burn me at the stake over it. While I wish those who appreciate it would more readily voice their opinions in public instead of letting a squeakywheel minority dictate the status quo, I'm basically used to this. Hmm..how come I never get encouraging PM's supporting me on my TYPICAL TOPICAL SERMON tirades? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneV Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Nico, I appreciate your flair for writing, although you do tend a bit to the melodramatic for my taste . I have a personal question for you. I was going to ask it here, but have decided to PM you instead. Quote WayneV Just remember these words of warning, for they will come to pass all too soon: If you are ever flying through the desert and your canoe breaks down, remember that it takes three pancakes to lift the doghouse, because there ain't nary a bone in ice cream! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Was Matt 23 too melodramatic? Just curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Gail Posted September 28, 2004 Author Administrators Share Posted September 28, 2004 So... do you think we are all comfortable enough with each other for a BIG GROUP HUG??? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Well Gail..if you can get Wayne to stay still ...we might have a chance.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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