Woody Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Reason to vote for Hillary .... She is a Woman. Reason to vote for Obama ...... He is a Black. Reason to vote for McCain ..... EXPERIENCE and HONOR The other two are lacking in both. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fccool Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 None ... None of them are interested in addressing the biggest threat facing US today, which is rapid economic decay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted February 21, 2008 Author Share Posted February 21, 2008 Well ... the Demos would tax and spend us to death. The Republicans would protect us and stimulate the ecomony in true Reagan style. cker Seems obvious to me. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amelia Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 All 3 are scary for different reasons. Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted February 21, 2008 Author Share Posted February 21, 2008 You are VERY correct with that statement. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted February 21, 2008 Moderators Share Posted February 21, 2008 *cough*Politics forum*cough* Certainly if you see no reason to vote for Hillary or Barack (let's standardise on using either both first or both last, huh?) other than their race and gender then you probably shouldn't. If I could vote for Obama I'd vote for him on policies like education, like his strong opposition to the illegal Iraq war, like his social policies and because I see him as a strong Christian who nonetheless believes in the separation of church and state. And Redwood, there's one thing worse than tax-and-spend: don't-tax-but-still-spend. That's what's killing the American economy, and certainly McCain ain't the cure for that. Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amelia Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Right now I'm going for Obama. No Clinton and No McCain. Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Koot Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Hillary is tainted. The Clinton sleaze. Obama is a fresh face, and seems to have some good values, but not sure how much experience he has. McCain can be a loose cannon. Scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted February 21, 2008 Author Share Posted February 21, 2008 Quote: the illegal Iraq war For the sake of accuracy ... I would like to point out that the reason we are in Iraq is that THEY decided to illegally invade their neighbor. We stopped them and signed a peace treaty. They then decided not to abide by the cease fire agreement. Thereby ... we had ALL legal authority to continue the war as we deemed necessary. It was due to their repeated "illegal" activities contrary to multiple UN resolutions that the "legal" war had to go on. These are the facts. They seem to have been forgotten over time. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted February 21, 2008 Moderators Share Posted February 21, 2008 Meh, I can't even be bothered to debate this any more. It's a pre-emptive war, waged on false pretences. It's a horrible precedent in international relations and an absolute, unvarnished humanitarian disaster, and Hillary wouldn't get my vote in a million years because she voted for it and still stands by that decision. McCain is even worse because he thinks it is a glowing moment for democracy. Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted February 21, 2008 Author Share Posted February 21, 2008 Revisionist seldom will support their revisions of history. Despite the name calling ... the truth of history remains. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted February 21, 2008 Moderators Share Posted February 21, 2008 Nup, no revisionism. I was saying this loud and long before the war started. Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fccool Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 It's hard to look at anything as "legal" or "illegal" in the world full of oxymoron. USA's position is very strange as they are doing around the world exactly same things that they are condemning. So the policy is not necessarily "Do what's best", but "Do what's best for us". So it's hard to look at anything as "legal" or "illegal"... especially on international level. I think you don't have to look far into history to catch some idealogical inconsistencies on part of USA. You know... - Flexing the muscle in Japan by killing millions (eventually), US is the only country in the world to actually use nuclear weapons and they determine who should and who should not have it, while domestically they have 2nd amendment that defends exactly what they deny other countries. - On the same note, USA tells that all people are created equal, but not if they have some historic and cultural ties to their "enemies". At least it did not happen to the same degree with Iraqi Americans. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment - USA on many occasions sponsored coups to overthrow democratically elected officials in numerous countries and replaced them with dictator of their choice. Any honest student of history will confirm this fact. So it's not a easy to point out the "legality" of anythings as USA did "what's best for us". I don't think this is Christian way by far. That's why I think that the Iraq war and reasons for it are ridiculous. USA is no longer a lamb nation it used to be a hundred years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Well ... the Demos would tax and spend us to death. The Republicans would protect us and stimulate the ecomony in true Reagan style. cker Seems obvious to me. When I visit patients in their homes, after getting to know them a few minutes and passing on information on how to get a better quality life, I usually tell them that I will quit harassing them and go away...I also tell them that I am an ol' coot, and for some reason, most of them get a kick out of that...But they always seem to want to build me up and tell me that I am not that bad and am a pretty nice guy..... It seems, to me, that both opinions are wrong..... Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Koot Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 I also tell them that I am an ol' coot, and for some reason, most of them get a kick out of that...But they always seem to want to build me up and tell me that I am not that bad and am a pretty nice guy..... Ol' coot, huh? Heard that one before. But you do have your good points, Neil. In time, you may even catch up with this 'ol' koot' Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 So far, David, no one has laid claim in knowing you, and I am prepared to deny any affiliation .....Just thought you might like to know.... Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Koot Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 That's not very nice! At least those who do know me appreciate me. And the our dog does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 I am glad that your dog appreciates you....speaks highly of the dog.... I think that I will now take refuge behind this rock...I expect tomatoes and other things like rocks and sticks and stones to be coming my way....maybe I need my abestosis underwear as well... Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 The "illegal" label on the Iraq War is just liberal rhetoric. I don't let it bother me at all. The US Congress authorized the action and the US went in with over 30 allies. Hindsight shows us it was a mistake but... illegal, I don't think so. Obama uses such rhetoric because it caters to his base. If he becomes President I wouldn't expect a massive withdrawal immediately. I like Obama because he is a family man. He talks about the need for parents. Bush was very, very, very good on education and I think Obama will take it even a little further and refine things a bit. Even though the two approach education differently, I think that is good and can complement it. I like Obama's ideas on healthcare. Although there may be some socialist problems with it, I think once it gets through Congress it could be something good. What worries me about Obama is that he has no plans for balancing the budget and paying down the debt. McCain is the fiscal conservative. He can work well with both parties. He can be a lose cannon but sometimes lose cannons are needed. He does represent the status quo. Yet the status quo can be a good thing when contrast with negative change. Voters need to decide if they take a risk with change or stay with the security of the status quo. Hillary is experienced, and I think the most qualified for the job. Yet I don't trust her. Lining her up with McCain's "straight talk" is perhaps the greatest contrast in American politics today. I would much rather have Obama in office than Hillary. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Koot Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Whatever DOES comes your way, you will very justifiably deserve! (redundancy intended) TAKE THAT!!!!! Oregon liberal Clintonite! Yeah, back to the reign of Slick Willie and co. Your cup of tea, ain't it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted February 21, 2008 Moderators Share Posted February 21, 2008 I actually used to like McCain's straight(ish) talk but his support for the Iraq war has revealed a stunning ability to misjudge a situation. I used to think Clinton had the best chance to beat the Republicans. There's not much difference between Obama and Clinton politically. The prospect of an Obama victory is very exiting but I have to admit that I didn't think it was likely few months ago. I can't vote but it would be "O" if I could. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 "pity the poor fool who becomes the next President" Mr T. Quote If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted February 21, 2008 Author Share Posted February 21, 2008 Originally Posted By: Neil D I also tell them that I am an ol' coot, and for some reason, most of them get a kick out of that...But they always seem to want to build me up and tell me that I am not that bad and am a pretty nice guy..... Ol' coot, huh? Heard that one before. But you do have your good points, Neil. In time, you may even catch up with this 'ol' koot' Dave You two are two koots in a pod. I suspected that you two comics were related. I knew neil was a koot. I just knew it. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Koot Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 You two are two koots in a pod. I suspected that you two comics were related. I knew neil was a koot. I just knew it. No doubt about it. Except Neil is a closet conservative, and I, according to Neil at least, am a closet liberal. But yeah, in his better moments, he doesn't do so bad. There's hope for the boy. Hey, there's hope for all of us--even for me, Redwood. Glad for that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fccool Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 "pity the poor fool who becomes the next President" Mr T. That for sure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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