there buster Posted June 24, 2008 Author Share Posted June 24, 2008 Ask the 185,000 dead Assyrians. Quote: 2 Kings 19:35 That night the angel of the LORD went out and put to death a hundred and eighty-five thousand men in the Assyrian camp. Any theory which does account for such instances cannot stand. Quote “the slovenliness of our language makes it easier to have foolish thoughts.” George Orwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolaa Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 President Bush didn't lie to us. The war hasn't went well but given what he knew at the time, he acted responsibly. That is not what the timelines say. I read yet another article just today (Newsweek) that said - once again - that Bush knew ahead of time that the CIA had major doubts about the truthfulness of their key informant, yet he went ahead and used the information because it fit his agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolaa Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 If we wouldn't have invaded Iraq Saddam would have used the oil-for-food scandal to get sanctions lifted and resumed his WMD program. Hillary Clinton said before she voted to authorize the use of force in Iraq she talk with some advisers that served in her husband's administration and they advised her to vote for the war. Did Bush tell those Clinton advisers to lie too? Were they part of his neocon group? The lie was in trying to connect 9/11 with Iraq. If Bush had legitimate reasons to get into Iraq, why didn't he use them instead of manufacturing and manipulating data to fit into what he already wanted to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 Quote: I read yet another article just today (Newsweek) Newsweek is a very liberal news magazine. Those reading it might want to read the American Spectator or National Review to get a balanced perspective. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted June 26, 2008 Moderators Share Posted June 26, 2008 Yes, it is always good to get your news and information from lots of different sources and political viewpoints. Usually, the greater variety, the better. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 Yes ... and reading BOTH the American Spectator and the National Review would help you to be more balanced. You would then see more clearly. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted June 26, 2008 Moderators Share Posted June 26, 2008 Honestly, I've only seen them in book stores but never read their articles except once in a while online. I guess I should try reading more of them and lay aside the International Socialist Review and the Militant. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 Quote: I read yet another article just today (Newsweek) Newsweek is a very liberal news magazine. Those reading it might want to read the American Spectator or National Review to get a balanced perspective. Holy crime-in-ettely! American Spectator???? is equivilant in conservative views as Newsweek is "very liberal"???? That's like taking a cannon out to kill a fly!!!!!! The American Spectator is a conservative U.S. monthly magazine covering news and politics, edited by R. Emmett Tyrrell Jr. and published by the non-profit American Spectator Foundation. From its founding in 1967 until the late 1980s, the small-circulation magazine featured the writings of authors such as Thomas Sowell, Tom Wolfe, P.J. O'Rourke, George F. Will, Malcolm Gladwell, Patrick J. Buchanan, Alex Linder and Malcolm Muggeridge, although today the magazine is best known for its attacks in the 1990s on Bill Clinton and its "Arkansas Project" to discredit the president, funded by billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife and the Bradley Foundation.[1] What a bunch of ultra conservatives! Ann Coulter would fit nicely among these if she could get rid of her flaming mouth...But then, she would cease being an ubber conservative then... At least the National Review has some intelligence behind it. National Review (NR) is a biweekly magazine and web site, founded by author William F. Buckley, Jr. in 1955 and based in New York City. It describes itself as "America's most widely read and influential magazine and web site for Republican/conservative news, commentary, and opinion."[1] While the print version of the magazine is available online to subscribers, the web site's free content is essentially a separate publication. Come on, you guys....Man, you guys .... Well, at least it takes TWO of your ultra super dupper conservative mags to counter one MAINSTREAM slightly left of center mag.... Wow...you guys... Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 Notice I said "American Spectator or National Review" That is "or" not "and". Newsweek has nine liberal columnists and two conservative columnists. It is pretty much a liberal publication. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 OOOO OOOooooooooohh..... Still notice that you had to suggest two to counteract the one..... And I notice that you admit that there is a "Fox News" principle going on here....there are counter points being offered in a liberal news magazine.... Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 World Magazine is another conservative magazine. It is pretty much the publication of the religious right. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 A THIRD conservative magazine to counter act a slightly left of center magazine... ...and you say that the media is liberal...... Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 Well, in addition to Newsweek, if one watches NBC news, reads the LA Times, New York Times or Boston Globe they will get a liberal perspective of the news. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted June 26, 2008 Share Posted June 26, 2008 I believe that would really be an interpretation of the input one recieved and how one recieves it... Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
there buster Posted June 27, 2008 Author Share Posted June 27, 2008 Quote: “Every nation has to be either for us, or against us. Those who harbor terrorists, or who finance them, are going to pay a price.” Quote “the slovenliness of our language makes it easier to have foolish thoughts.” George Orwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolaa Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 Quote: “Every nation has to be either for us, or against us. Those who harbor terrorists, or who finance them, are going to pay a price.” So who are the terrorists? Some would say the U.S. is a terrorist. It's like Israel and Palestine - who started it, who will end it? They're both terrorists. Why does every nation have to be for us or against us? Wow, what about just being civil and getting along, recognizing the good and bad in each other, and not having to take sides? Those for/against alliances are so fluid you can hardly keep track of who is on whose side. We're on their side today, but tomorrow they're are enemy. Good grief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 Quote: Some would say the U.S. is a terrorist. Some say the moon is made out of cheese too. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 Quote: Some would say the U.S. is a terrorist. Some say the moon is made out of cheese too. Let's see...the bay of pig fiasco comes to mind...Either the US wants Castro out or they dont....That decision cost some lifes there... Let's talk about Vietnam...Shall we as the Vietnamese if the US is a terrorist? I am sure we would not be 'the good guy'... Shall we visit our own State Department and ask them where Americans are NOT wanted? I am sure they would say that there are some countrys where a US citizen would NOT be welcomed and it would be dangerous for them to go there....Iraq comes to mind.....I wonder if there are any Yogoslavians states that are not US friendly...I wonder if an american were to say if the moon is made of cheese, would they believe him....I am sure the response would be, "If that american can sell it to you, sure the moon is full of cheese." You don't see America as a forieger sees America, Shane. Your patriotic nationalizm is too blind to see someone else's point of view. In their eyes, your POV is all that matters and your POV excludes them. In thier eyes, Americans are borish, and selfish, and self centered. And with your comment of the moon being full of green cheese, your credibility with someone outside of the American hemisphere is swiss cheese...full of holes. Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
there buster Posted June 28, 2008 Author Share Posted June 28, 2008 Quote: Why does every nation have to be for us or against us? Wow, what about just being civil and getting along, recognizing the good and bad in each other, and not having to take sides? Good questions. You should address them to the person who said those words: Hillary Rodham Clinton 9/13/2001. Quote “the slovenliness of our language makes it easier to have foolish thoughts.” George Orwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
there buster Posted June 28, 2008 Author Share Posted June 28, 2008 Quote: You don't see America as a forieger sees America, Shane. Neither do you. Being liked or disliked has nothing to do with an action being right or wrong. Quote “the slovenliness of our language makes it easier to have foolish thoughts.” George Orwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeHiscost Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 Originally Posted By: ichabod Quote: “Every nation has to be either for us, or against us. Those who harbor terrorists, or who finance them, are going to pay a price.” Why does every nation have to be for us or against us? Wow, what about just being civil and getting along, recognizing the good and bad in each other, and not having to take sides? Those for/against alliances are so fluid you can hardly keep track of who is on whose side. In the case of advancing the cause of our Father God, that fluidity allows one to go back where it is seen the wrong side was chosen and allows one to ally themselves differently, rather than to be locked into a poor previous choice without end. "`He who is not with me is against me, and he who is not gathering with me, doth scatter." Matthew 12:30 YLT Regards! Quote Lift Jesus up!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 Quote: You don't see America as a forieger sees America, Shane. Neither do you. Being liked or disliked has nothing to do with an action being right or wrong. In which person's eyes, Icabod...as a principal/teacher, you should know that there are 2 sides to every issue. If you go to England, George Washington is a terrorist. You should know this... .....Um, is this the reason you became an Author? Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 You don't see America as a forieger sees America, Shane. The issue isn't that I don't understand others' views of America. I do. I live on the Mexican border, work for a multi-national company and watch international news on a regular basis. The issue at play is how terrorism is defined. No one definition of terrorism has gained universal acceptance. Yet, when we define terrorism too broad the word becomes meaningless. Under some broad definitions parents that spank their children are terrorists. Organizations like the ACLU oppose broad definitions of terrorism as they lead to labeling too many groups as terrorist. The US State Department defines terrorism as "Premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience." That is what I mean when I use the world terrorist. Terrorists target noncombatant targets which means either civilians or a government target which would be unable to defend itself (like a post office, or embassy). They are subnational groups which means they do not represent an entire nation. Thus a nation's military cannot be a terrorist group since it represents the entire nation. It can commit war crimes but those are considered war crimes and not terrorist acts. The goal of terrorists is usually to influence an audience. The goals of war are often defined prior to the war beginning. In Iraq and Afghanistan the US goals are to establish a democracy. So if we define the word "cheese" broad enough we can say that the moon really is made out of cheese. If we define the word "terrorist" broad enough we can also define the US (and most every other nation in the world) as a terrorist. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
there buster Posted June 28, 2008 Author Share Posted June 28, 2008 Quote: Quote: Being liked or disliked has nothing to do with an action being right or wrong. In which person's eyes, Icabod...as a principal/teacher, you should know that there are 2 sides to every issue. If you go to England, George Washington is a terrorist. You should know this... Anyone who doesn't know that being liked or disliked has nothing to do with an action being right or wrong is morally illiterate. And taking personal cheap shots confirms it. As H. Stephen Glenn says, "Don't should on me and I won't should all over you." Quote “the slovenliness of our language makes it easier to have foolish thoughts.” George Orwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 The issue isn't that I don't understand others' views of America. I do. I live on the Mexican border, work for a multi-national company and watch international news on a regular basis. Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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