Peace Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 His trademark music is "Thank You" and "Watch the Lamb". For more information please go to http://www.washingtonblade.com/2008/9-12/arts/feature/13258.cfm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 Is there a reason for this post? May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted September 18, 2008 Moderators Share Posted September 18, 2008 That is the subject of the article and it's a line in it. Boltz is certainly not hiding it. But I hope people are not showing hatred for him because of it. The problem I see in the article-- and it is not a small one-- is that Bolz and some other recording artists have no desire to change or overcome their sin. In fact, they evidently do not think it is sin. A highly significant quote from the article: Quote: Hogue, who worked with Boltz on his 1991 album “Another Child to Hold” and has helped him record a few new songs for a still-evolving possible new project, says he hopes for a day when Christians will see homosexuality as no more a perceived sin than it used to be for women to be ministers or for divorced Christians to hold leadership positions in churches. “I like to hope for the best, but it will be slow moving,” Hogue says. John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted September 18, 2008 Members Share Posted September 18, 2008 I had to go to the article to find out who Ray Boltz is. One's sexual preference surely doesn't affect one's musical talent, does it? Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted September 18, 2008 Moderators Share Posted September 18, 2008 Yeah, me too. Never heard of him. You're right, it sure doesn't. And doesn't affect God's love for them either, of course. John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted September 18, 2008 Moderators Share Posted September 18, 2008 Question, more to ponder than to reply to: What do we do as a church as we experience more and more Christians who are openly gay and want to stay that way and practice that lifestyle, expecting the church to change and accept that way of life as not sinful? Could it be that we will also see many of the church members supporting those who are openly gay inside the church? John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amelia Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 The way you feel about this musician is you and God Peace. But I can guess your feelings from the little "sick" smilie you used when posting. What kind of reaction were you looking for with this post? FYI members here don't always reply in the way a poster invisions. <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amelia Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 Question, more to ponder than to reply to: What do we do as a church as we experience more and more Christians who are openly gay and want to stay that way and practice that lifestyle, expecting the church to change and accept that way of life as not sinful? Could it be that we will also see many of the church members supporting those who are openly gay inside the church? OOOOooo now that's a hot potato topic if I ever heard one. I'm wondering if this is the reason there are more gay oriented churches popping up, along with gay ministers? <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted September 18, 2008 Moderators Share Posted September 18, 2008 ...OOOOooo now that's a hot potato topic if I ever heard one. I'm wondering if this is the reason there are more gay oriented churches popping up, along with gay ministers? Yes, it is a hot potato topic, and I don't want to start a conversation about it here, really, but since I saw the topic and that quote, it reminded me that it is something our church needs to consider and face. John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Posted September 18, 2008 Author Share Posted September 18, 2008 His music touched the lives of many. And it is now hard to listen to his music without this shadow in the background. There are people in the church I attend that are very upset. They feel cheated. I don't blame them. Questions arise as to whether gays should participate in church services, etc. Sorry if I offended you. It was not meant to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darlene Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 I love Ray Boltz...well I love his music anyway. I've attended a concert of his and he is a very dedicated Christian man committed to his music. I've sung a couple of his songs many, many times. Even if Ray is gay, God still loves Him. He may not even be a practising gay person. That, I don't know and it is not up to me to know. We don't have to support his sin (if he is practising) but, our duty is to show him Christ's love. God will judge the rest. I do have friends in my conference who are gay both practising and nonpractising. They are really not very much different than any of my other friends and God still loves them. So, it is my duty to love and support them also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amelia Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 Quote: His music touched the lives of many. And it is now hard to listen to his music without this shadow in the background. There are people in the church I attend that are very upset. They feel cheated. I don't blame them. I'm sorry they feel cheated. Though why anyone would feel cheated by something that made their hearts soar and infused with the Holy Spirit is beyond me. Boltz music is still a gift from God. Gods gifts are precious to everyone and we don't know what He has in store for Boltz in the future. God may use him in a strange and wonderous way! <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted September 18, 2008 Moderators Share Posted September 18, 2008 I love Ray Boltz...well I love his music anyway. I've attended a concert of his and he is a very dedicated Christian man committed to his music. I've sung a couple of his songs many, many times. Even if Ray is gay, God still loves Him. He may not even be a practising gay person. That, I don't know and it is not up to me to know. We don't have to support his sin (if he is practising) but, our duty is to show him Christ's love. God will judge the rest. I do have friends in my conference who are gay both practising and nonpractising. They are really not very much different than any of my other friends and God still loves them. So, it is my duty to love and support them also. I agree with almost all of your post here. I see a danger. We want to love gay people and show them God's love, but do we truly show love by letting them think that it is OK to practice the gay life style and that God cannot help them to overcome and change? (I do not mean that God will necessarily make them heterosexual.) This is as personal with me as anything can be because I myself am gay. By God's grace and power, I don't practice it or live that way any more, though. But I lived that way for virtually all of my adult life, until about 4 years ago. Can I ask you if you believe 1 Cor. 6: 9-10? John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted September 18, 2008 Moderators Share Posted September 18, 2008 I think that is true, Amelia. There is no reason to feel cheated. We can't expect that only those who have overcome all sins will be used of God in singing music and praising him. I have known of famous evangelists who've hired well-known singers to sing at their meetings, who were not even Christians, yet God used their music to lead people to Jesus Christ. Think of the song of a bird, of how it blesses us, even though it is not a Christian. (I know that may sound silly, but if we can be blessed by the music of a bird, why not by a person made in God's image, for whom Jesus died?) John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 I see a danger. We want to love gay people and show them God's love, but do we truly show love by letting them think that it is OK to practice the gay life style and that God cannot help them to overcome and change? (I do not mean that God will necessarily make them heterosexual.) Ok, so we can not buy the records and thus support thier lifestyle....even though we disagree with the lifestyle, but the lyrics make us feel/think of other things.... Now you can't sing " Thank you for giving to the Lord"..... Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 Well it is too sad if Ray Boltz is trying to justify his sin. If he were to become active in an exit ministry he would be sure to do a great amount of good for many gays trying to leave the lifestyle. Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darlene Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 No, I do not mean that we condone the gay lifestyle. I mean that we must love the person, personally, just as Jesus would. Watching some of my gay friends grow up I would have to say that this is not something they wanted. Being gay is not something most of these people have chosen for themselves. It is a characteristic that they were born with or automatically acquired because of family circumstances. You could say that it is 'the sins of the fathers unto the 3rd and 4th generation.' Oh, I know some of you will not agree with me but, this is what I have concluded from observation. So.....yes, I definetly believe that we must love and accept these people (not the sin), just as Jesus would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted September 18, 2008 Moderators Share Posted September 18, 2008 Originally Posted By: John317 I see a danger. We want to love gay people and show them God's love, but do we truly show love by letting them think that it is OK to practice the gay life style and that God cannot help them to overcome and change? (I do not mean that God will necessarily make them heterosexual.) Ok, so we can not buy the records and thus support thier lifestyle....even though we disagree with the lifestyle, but the lyrics make us feel/think of other things.... Now you can't sing " Thank you for giving to the Lord"..... Where did I say that, Neil? I neither said that nor meant it. Please read my posts. John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dani Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 Hey, I don't think his wife and kids would like to hear any of this. His wife has gone all over the world with him. Maybe you should read that "quote" again. It doesn't say anything about Ray Boltz being gay. Dani God loves you and so do I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dani Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 Yes we should love like Jesus does. God give us all choices and personally that is what this is a choice. God loves you and so do I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amelia Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 Hey, I don't think his wife and kids would like to hear any of this. His wife has gone all over the world with him. Maybe you should read that "quote" again. It doesn't say anything about Ray Boltz being gay. Dani <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted September 18, 2008 Moderators Share Posted September 18, 2008 I'm convinced that many gays, maybe most gays, are born with something that sets them off on a course that makes them attracted to members of their own gender. I believe that I was born that way. But from my perspective, that is not the point, because all humans are born with a fallen, sinful, defective nature. For me, the point is God is able to empower us to resist and overcome both hereditary and cultivated sin. But here is the catch-- it won't happen if people are led to believe that it can't happen or that it doesn't matter. If 1 Cor. 6: 9-11 is true, many people will be lost because they believed a lie about that issue. Imagine a drunkard being told that it is OK to stay a drunkard and that God will save him IN HIS DRUNKENNESS. What, then, is more loving and kind-- to tell the drunkard that God is well able to save him from his drunkenness, or tell him that he can't hope to change even with the power of God's Spirit? John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darlene Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 You may be right but, if I'm born a woman, can I overcome that? No I'm not condoning the gay lifestyle but, I can understand why it happens to some people. In the 1st grade in an Adventist Elementary school I had 2 fellow male students (there were about 8 of us in grade 1) who turned out to be gay. In both of their lives I can see that they were born with the tendency and atleast one was also because of his family dynamics. At some point they probably made the discovery that they were gay but, I doubt that it was something they chose because they wanted to be gay. It was something they hid for years. So....do we condemn them because of it? No! We love these people as Jesus would. We may not condone the practise of it but, we still need to love and accept them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dani Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 Another thing, this kind of slander towards another person should never be done by any of us; especially a website that is officially or unofficially using the Adventist name. We Adventists are not to judge people but to love them. Dani God loves you and so do I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted September 18, 2008 Moderators Share Posted September 18, 2008 Why would you want to overcome being a woman? I think I know where you are taking this line of reasoning, but I'd like you to be clear about it because a lot of people have misconceptions about some things in regard to gays and transsexuals, and I am not sure what you believe about that. John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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