carolaa Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 I thought this was interesting: "working for justice, peace, and dignity (by fighting oppression, poverty, and corruption) is just as certainly a Christian spiritual discipline—a test of discipleship—as are prayer and fasting." http://www.adventistreview.org/issue.php?issue=2008-1530&page=22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted October 25, 2008 Moderators Share Posted October 25, 2008 Its kinda weird how those values of Christianity have become lost in much of the Christian world and become labeled as "leftist" etc. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 The principles have not been labeled "leftist" in any circles I associate with. I don't see any one ideology that has a lock on "fighting oppression, poverty, and corruption." Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fccool Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 THE major difference between the right and left was that the left were always for the state. They love to push the state as the means of solving the societal problems. That's why it's impossible to differentiate many rights from many lefts today. It's like a body with no hands. Socialism was never a bad thing, as long as it is administered by people voluntarily without government involvement. A charity organization would be a great example of righteous socialism. Yet, both right and left today are socialists by means of government. The right won't admit it, but if you examine it closely... they are... only socialists in reverse. They take it from the poor and give it to the rich in hopes that the wealths somehow trickle down to the poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolaa Posted October 25, 2008 Author Share Posted October 25, 2008 Do you really know of any Republican organizations that are working to fight oppression, poverty, and corruption? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 McPalin Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolaa Posted October 26, 2008 Author Share Posted October 26, 2008 If that's the only one, it's sure not saying much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted October 26, 2008 Moderators Share Posted October 26, 2008 THE major difference between the right and left was that the left were always for the state. They love to push the state as the means of solving the societal problems. That's why it's impossible to differentiate many rights from many lefts today. It's like a body with no hands. Socialism was never a bad thing, as long as it is administered by people voluntarily without government involvement. A charity organization would be a great example of righteous socialism. Yet, both right and left today are socialists by means of government. The right won't admit it, but if you examine it closely... they are... only socialists in reverse. They take it from the poor and give it to the rich in hopes that the wealths somehow trickle down to the poor. Depends on who one includes on the "right." There are those on the right who aren't socialists at all. Personally I wouldn't include Bush as being on the "right" although I know those on the Left would say he is. Simply assigning some responsibilities to government doesn't qualify one as a socialist. If that were the case, everyone would be a socialist, including Lincoln and Jefferson. With you experience in the USSR, I'd really be very interested in your definition of socialism. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 Do you really know of any Republican organizations that are working to fight oppression, poverty, and corruption? One has to be completely blinded by partisan politics not to see most of what Republicans do as fighting oppression, poverty and corruption. Both parties do, just using different methods. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolaa Posted October 26, 2008 Author Share Posted October 26, 2008 Could you name a few of those Republican organizations and describe how they do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 Government organizations supported by Republicans? How about the Small Business Administration which helps workers like Joe-the-plumber go from being an employee to a business owner? How about government-ran schools and educational choice which would allow parents of poor children to send their children to the school of their choice? Of course we can't pass by all the faith-based organizations and the work they do that the Republicans support? When we talk about justice we can hardly forget capital punishment which is the greatest justice ever shown. When a man takes another man's life how else can justice be served than for that man to forfeit his own life? If we want to discuss fighting corruption McCain's work on campaign finance reform is certainly going to enter into the conversation. We will not be able to ignore what Giuliani did in New York City. However making this a partisan discussion is silly. It is downright silly. Because Democrats have done and continue to do as much to fight poverty and corruption and serve justice as Republicans do. There are a minority of politicians that are corrupt and not interested in the common welfare of the people but the overwhelming number of our public servants have good intentions and simply disagree on the means to achieve their goals. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolaa Posted October 26, 2008 Author Share Posted October 26, 2008 I don't see the SBA as fighting oppression, poverty, and corruption - at least not in a direct way. I doubt those words are in its mission statement. Capital punishment is not an organization, and it certainly does nothing to fight oppression, poverty, or corruption. McCain's work on campaign finance reform is an acceptable example, although it isn't exactly a Republican "organization." I'm just wondering what kind of Republican organizations there might be that actually exist for the purpose of fighting oppression, poverty, and/or corruption. It seems to me that Republicans aren't terribly interested in those issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 The SBA most certainly fights poverty. Those that don't see that probably don't understand its purpose and what it accomplishes. Capital punishment goes to justice. The United States of America is a fantastic country. Both political parities fight poverty and corruption. The US is about the finest example of justice that can be found in this sinful world. It isn't a Republican or Democrat issue and anyone that tends to think so has partisan lenses on and sees everything as a partisan issue. Next we will be discussing if black clouds are Republican or Democrat. Not everything is a partisan issue. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 Shane. Some extremists will just not hear what you are saying. They always want to blame the Republicans for every evil deed. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 I think people ought to blame leadership not parties. In general it is leadership that "messes" up, though at times the ideology of the party is a problem as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 Yes. Get off the republicans back. Because the Republicans are the closest to being SDAs. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted October 26, 2008 Moderators Share Posted October 26, 2008 Where do I find that 'gobsmacked' smiley again? Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 Had to do somethin to wake you up. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Yes. Get off the republicans back. Because the Republicans are the closest to being SDAs. Say what?!?!?!? Are you tryin' to start a war here? Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fccool Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Yes. Get off the republicans back. Because the Republicans are the closest to being SDAs. Really? I wonder which party Hitler would choose if he was a US citizen? (it's a trick question) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 My guess is that Hitler would choose the Nazi party. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Okay. I have to admit that I was wrong in saying what I did. I realize that SDAs are not suppose to 'party'. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Okay. I have to admit that I was wrong in saying what I did. I realize that SDAs are not suppose to 'party'. You really want a war, don'tcha? SDAs...not supposed to "party"....Since when did you become ultra-conservative in your religious behavior??????? Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Hey ... I never said 'I' don't party. I just said that SDAs aren't suppose to party. Big Diff. But as everybody here knows ... I am a conservative. Just not as 'ultra' as some here. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 Hey ... I never said 'I' don't party. I just said that SDAs aren't suppose to party. Big Diff. But as everybody here knows ... I am a conservative. Just not 'ultra'. Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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