fccool Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 I think the scariest thought right now is of Obama being assassinated. You can bet on some serious rioting. US says it disrupted plot to kill Barack Obama * October 28, 2008 - 8:04AM US agents have broken up a plot to assassinate Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and shoot or decapitate 102 black people in a murder spree in the state of Tennessee. In court records unsealed today, federal agents said they disrupted plans to rob a gun store and target a predominantly African-American high school by two neo-Nazi skinheads. Agents said the skinheads did not identify the school by name. Jim Cavanaugh, special agent in charge of the Nashville field office for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, said the two men planned to shoot 88 black people and decapitate another 14. The numbers 88 and 14 are symbolic in the white supremacist community. The men also sought to go on a national killing spree, with Obama as their final target, Cavanaugh told The Associated Press. ``They said that would be their last, final act - that they would attempt to kill Senator Obama,'' Cavanaugh said. ``They didn't believe they would be able to do it, but that they would get killed trying.'' An Obama spokeswoman travelling with the senator in Pennsylvania had no immediate comment. The men, Daniel Cowart, 20, and Paul Schlesselman 18, are being held without bond. Agents seized a rifle, a sawed-off shotgun and three pistols from the men when they were arrested. Authorities alleged the two men were preparing to break into a gun shop to steal more. Attorney Joe Byrd, who has been hired to represent Cowart, did not immediately return a call seeking comment today. Cowart and Schlesselman are charged with possessing an unregistered firearm, conspiring to steal firearms from a federally licensed gun dealer, and threatening a candidate for president. The investigation is continuing, and more charges are possible, Cavanaugh said. AP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted October 27, 2008 Share Posted October 27, 2008 This happens often during a Presidential election. Something about this time of year that brings out the crazies. But it is not a racist thing. It just happens. McCain has had many threats also. Goes with the territory. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 This story sounds like it was to be carried out....and it sounded much more credible than McCain's threats... I suspect that there are a lot more rednecks out there whose racist and gun toting and mythical anti- "Obama socialist" views ready to take up arms against our presidential candidate. You guys who think you know Obama as a socialist, wealth distributing political liberal....are you gonna kill him because you can't get out vote him? Is this how we are going to do our politics now? Can't get the 'right' person in office, so we get some crazed idiot to kill the candidate? Shame on YOU for promoting the myth and listening to the talking heads and for destroying our country....Shame Shame Shame.... Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 This happens often during a Presidential election. Something about this time of year that brings out the crazies. But it is not a racist thing. It just happens. McCain has had many threats also. Goes with the territory. This just surprises me...how can "white supremicist" young men who want to kill Obama not be racist? McCain's threats may not come from a racist person, I don't know but it would seem rather clear that this threat to Obama was racially motivated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted October 28, 2008 Moderators Share Posted October 28, 2008 People who believe and say that Obama is a socialist have a right to say what they believe about Obama without being blamed for what some people do. I've heard some people on the Forum say that McCain or Palin are a danger to the country. Should those who say this be blamed or put in the same category with those who would do physical harm to the candidates? People have to be free to tell what they believe about the policies of a candidate without being associated with those who would harm them. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Originally Posted By: Redwood This happens often during a Presidential election. Something about this time of year that brings out the crazies. But it is not a racist thing. It just happens. McCain has had many threats also. Goes with the territory. This just surprises me...how can "white supremicist" young men who want to kill Obama not be racist? McCain's threats may not come from a racist person, I don't know but it would seem rather clear that this threat to Obama was racially motivated. Oh yes. This threat ... most likely IS racist. I was just saying that it is not racist to have threats to presidential candidates. It happens each and every election time. Every candidate has it happen. It is not unique or racist just because it happens to Obama. That is my point. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 People have to be free to tell what they believe about the policies of a candidate without being associated with those who would harm them. white supremicist, Socialist,racists, Liberal, Conservative....these words have emotional meanings behind them...They stir up tensions and can cause others to feel that people with these lables are leaders who are leading the country wrong and some people with racist leanings might just feel the need to go shoot something...Consider the time that McCain had to calm a woman who felt that Obama was a muslim...I said it then, I will repeat it again....Currently, people from the ultra conservative wing, the one's with less education, and who are a bit more racist, are more prone to have less regard for life than current progressives. Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Those that want to kill babies are more progressive than those who don't want to? I just don't get it Neil. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Originally Posted By: Taylor This just surprises me...how can "white supremicist" young men who want to kill Obama not be racist? McCain's threats may not come from a racist person' date=' I don't know but it would seem rather clear that this threat to Obama was racially motivated. [/quote'] Oh yes. This threat ... most likely IS racist. I was just saying that it is not racist to have threats to presidential candidates. It happens each and every election time. Every candidate has it happen. It is not unique or racist just because it happens to Obama. That is my point. Ok I see your point. This threat was racially motivated but also any presidential candidate can ge targeted just for being a candidate...that is also true. Thanks for the clarification Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Those that want to kill babies are more progressive than those who don't want to? I just don't get it Neil. That's just it..YOU DON"T GET IT! NO ONE wants to kill babies...conservatives for sure, but also progressives. But we also understand that two wrongs don't make a right. And not all choices are right for all individuals. That is why women NEED to have reproductive rights. Because without them, they are reduced to being "baby making" machines. They need that right to make the choices for them. I agree with all the education we can get to the women and all the legislation to make thier lives easier. I agree that education and programs [yes, even social programs] to make the lives of women with children better. These things will reduce the amount of abortions overall. I also agree that we need WIC programs and programs to encourage the nurturing of ALL children, even to the point of allowing 2 parent familys to be able to exist well on ONE salary. I believe in the nurturing of children...something that has NOT been done nor encourage by government nor society. You guys want less abortions...try supporting women's rights to nurture thier young.... Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators John317 Posted October 28, 2008 Moderators Share Posted October 28, 2008 "Socialist" is the same as conservative Republican, in that it's a term that points to a particular view of political or economic theory. It has to do with the plan for government to be in the business of redistributing wealth, ownership of the means of production, a managed, planned economy, etc. It may bring out some people's emotions, but does that fact mean we do not discuss a candidate's economic position before the election? Americans have a right to hear all the truth, or what they believe is the truth, about candidates, and if that means saying some things that some people find unpleasant, that is OK. All Americans have a right to express themselves about the candidates. You have a right and so do all other Americans, of all political persuasions and parties. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Originally Posted By: Redwood Those that want to kill babies are more progressive than those who don't want to? I just don't get it Neil. That's just it..YOU DON"T GET IT! NO ONE wants to kill babies...conservatives for sure, but also progressives. But we also understand that two wrongs don't make a right. And not all choices are right for all individuals. That is why women NEED to have reproductive rights. Because without them, they are reduced to being "baby making" machines. They need that right to make the choices for them. I agree with all the education we can get to the women and all the legislation to make thier lives easier. I agree that education and programs [yes, even social programs] to make the lives of women with children better. These things will reduce the amount of abortions overall. I also agree that we need WIC programs and programs to encourage the nurturing of ALL children, even to the point of allowing 2 parent familys to be able to exist well on ONE salary. I believe in the nurturing of children...something that has NOT been done nor encourage by government nor society. You guys want less abortions...try supporting women's rights to nurture thier young.... At what point do we teach about adoptions? At what point do we allow people to see that there are consequences to having sex? Guess what ... having sex produces babies. When will people learn. Demos try to teach that having sex produces a visit to the doctor to get rid of babies. I don't see that as Christian. Just my humble opinion. You may differ ... Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Originally Posted By: Neil D I agree that education and programs [yes, even social programs] to make the lives of women with children better At what point do we teach about adoptions? At what point do we allow people to see that there are consequences to having sex? Guess what ... having sex produces babies. When will people learn. Demos try to teach that having sex produces a visit to the doctor to get rid of babies. I don't see that as Christian. Just my humble opinion. You may differ ... Educate, educate, educate.... Alternatives, options in varied circumstances and various times in the lives of individuals/women especially. ALL OF THAT IS IMPORTANT! Trouble is that to educate and give all options tends to trample on the values of the religious. They want thier children in ignorance. But studies show that teens tend to wait when they are given information. **IF** they don't wait, they will [regardless of parent's wishes] find a way to have sex...better that they use protection rather than the rhythm method. I would favor a manditory sex education class in seventh grade, with options for sex education classes in the 5 and 6th grades. This give the parents at least 2 years to instill thier values to the children before they are told about the birds and the bees. Would you agree with this, Redwood? Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 And then you can still kill babies in the mean time? Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Because I know that it will lower the abortion rate, and because I do not want a mindless bimbo for a wife [iow, i do not want a 'baby making machine'], yes, I can... Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Originally Posted By: Redwood Those that want to kill babies are more progressive than those who don't want to? I just don't get it Neil. NO ONE wants to kill babies... That is why women NEED to have reproductive rights. Women have reproductive rights. Cows do not have reproductive rights. Farmers decide when a cow will get pregnant and how many times a cow will get pregnant. Women decide when they will have sex, how often they will have sex and how often they will have sex. Reproductive rights has absolutely nothing to do with abortion. That is a compete strawman. Reproductive rights has to do with women's right to choose their sexual partners and when they will and will not have sex with those partners. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 I do not want a mindless bimbo for a wife [iow, i do not want a 'baby making machine'] Just a few countries where abortion is illegal: The Bahamas, Argentina, Botswana, Chile, Ireland, Israel, Mexico, Portugal, Spain and Switzerland Of course there are a lot more that that. Most countries in Africa, Latin America and the Middle East ban abortion. I guess that means they have a bunch of mindless bimbo women there. Well, that is not my opinion but apparently some people think that. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolaa Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 I agree with all the education we can get to the women and all the legislation to make thier lives easier. I agree that education and programs [yes, even social programs] to make the lives of women with children better. These things will reduce the amount of abortions overall. I also agree that we need WIC programs and programs to encourage the nurturing of ALL children, even to the point of allowing 2 parent familys to be able to exist well on ONE salary. I believe in the nurturing of children...something that has NOT been done nor encourage by government nor society. You guys want less abortions...try supporting women's rights to nurture thier young.... Well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolaa Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Originally Posted By: Neil D I do not want a mindless bimbo for a wife [iow, i do not want a 'baby making machine'] Just a few countries where abortion is illegal: The Bahamas, Argentina, Botswana, Chile, Ireland, Israel, Mexico, Portugal, Spain and Switzerland Of course there are a lot more that that. Most countries in Africa, Latin America and the Middle East ban abortion. I guess that means they have a bunch of mindless bimbo women there. Well, that is not my opinion but apparently some people think that. Some countries stone women who get pregnant out of wedlock, too. But I think we're talking about the United States of America, land of the free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Shane Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 This is a worldwide forum. Our discussions normally encompass more than just the United States of America. And certainly if a woman without the right to abortion in the United States would be a mindless bimbo than a woman without the right to abortion in Spain of Switzerland would be a mindless bimbo too. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolaa Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Yeah, but we're talking about the U.S. elections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fccool Posted October 29, 2008 Author Share Posted October 29, 2008 I'm not sure how it got to the abortion issue again, but the reason for this post was to show that extreme criticism Obama receives can spill into tome real action. Politics is politics, but if Obama gets shot, you will have yourself a possible civil war on your hands. I know it sounds ludicrous in this day and age, but the atmosphere is just about right. All because some people don't check out facts. Consider latest by Joe the Plummer agreeing that Obama's presidency would bring about death to Israel. There are people out there who don't care about the facts. They are going by feelings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil D Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 With all due respect to Joe the Plummer, why is FauxNews trying to get his opinion when he keeps telling everyone to go out and find out the answers themselves. He's not in a telling mood, he's not got a secret direct line to Obama...Why is this man's opinion so important...? Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fccool Posted October 29, 2008 Author Share Posted October 29, 2008 Because he, among other "_____ the ______ " were made mascots for McCain campaign. Not only they are the mascots, but they are also somewhat of a spokesmen, because these are the people that McCain claims to understand. What is terrible about all of this, is that McCain campaign did not disagree with Joe. Good thing that Shepard Smith had enough common sense to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Yeah. I used to like Shepard Smith. But his attack on Joe the Plumber is just over the top. WE need to respect Joe the Plumber .. not attack him. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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