Obama Hands Limbaugh Big Win

[CyberGuy]

Originally Posted By: Redwood

I am ashamed of you people here. You would make fun of a sincere recovering addict. Those who suffer addiction still have a life to live. But for the grace of God ....

When someone gets the mic, and broadcasts that he hopes that the President's policys fail when it is clear that the President is working for the majority of Americans to get thier economy up and moving again....and this bozo, hopes to dash the destroy the hopes of the common class....YOU BET I'M GONNA MAKE FUN OF HIM. ....and anyone who supports Limbaugh. The man is a selfish pig. He already has his $millions. And as good as Hamas is to the palestinians, he does the same thing to you guys. Conservatism and greed got us here....you want MORE CONSERVATISM AND GREED to get us out??? Foolish, foolish, foolish man!

I will give Obama his four years. If things do not at least START to improve I can bet many of the people who voted for him will turn on him and throw him out. Even if Obama does nothing the economy will improve eventually. Massive tax cuts would turn the whole economy around very quickly with a year or two. Problem is when you raise the taxes again you pur the economy back into a tail spin. It is a dilemna.

[Bravus]

Not to mention that many users of street drugs begin as a way of addressing the pain of childhood abuse or other hurts that are no less real than a bad back or other physical injury.

As I said, I'm sorry Limbaugh was addicted, and pleased he's (as far as I know) clean now. But it doesn't seem to have taught him humility, and as long as he's on the attack against all I value I will continue to reject all he stands for.

If it's easier on your stomach, take the rest of my post without the (alleged) 'cheap shot' - none of you has chosen to argue with the contention that listening to Limbaugh leads to ineffective functioning in the real world... which was the President's original point.

[Bravus]

But don't dodge the question about Jesus and Limbaugh.

[John317]

What is it exactly that you feel would make it impossible for a Christian to listen to?

For one thing, I don't believe that it's necessary to agree with everything that I listen to or read.

If that were the case, I would only listen to SDA radio and TV, and even then I might have to turn it off once in a while.

But seriously, I can enjoy listening to someone for lots of different reasons. I've listened to communists and atheist speakers before, so why not a Patriotic Republican capitalist?

[Bravus]

For an hour or two every day, though? Dipping in I can understand, but that's not generally what we're talking about here.

The emphasis on attack and negativity and on pulling others down, and on attacks on those less fortunate, and the lionising of wealth and the wealthy and of materialism are what make it hard for me to imagine Jesus as a regular listener. I only get him second-hand of course, so *maybe* he's encouraging people to reach out and help their neighbours, and to reach down and pick up those who've fallen... surprise me.

[Neil D]

I agree with you, Bravus...

I was listening in for a short time the other day....He was actually saying that he hoped that Obama's policies would fail. Imagine, people are getting laid off, and having a hard time making payments and this guys is hoping that the policies that Obama is putting in place dont work....

Of course, his reasoning was that the Republicans are not going to get any credit for this. AND, most of all, if they did work, Obama was going to get all the credit for it. Like we haven't had a real working president since...well, it's been longer than 8 years, that's for sure. And this guys is putting together a working team BEFORE his inaugruation so that they can hit the road, running....It's pathetic, absolutely pathetic that the 'working class' is out to undermine thier own recovery....even the adventist working class...

makes me wonder if they can absolutely provide evengelical studies with a thinking individual....

[John317]

Well, I don't listen to him all the time. In fact, I haven't listened to him since the election. But what you are describing as Rush Limbaugh I don't recognize. If I heard what you are talking about, I would turn him off.

I hate to suggest it but maybe you ought to trying listening to him for a couple of hours if you could stand it. I'm serious. I listen to people on all sides of the political spectrum. I even like Obama now, not that I agree with him on everything, you understand.

[Bravus]

Will give it a go, if he's webcast.

[Woody]

Yes. Jesus would listen to Rush. (And does) Even Jesus enjoys him.

[Woody]

Rush believes in the 'boot straps' approach rather than hand outs. IOWs .. Rush wants to teach a man to fish rather than handing him fish.

[John317]

Patriotic Republican capitalist.

So, let me get this straight...if your sole purpose seems to bring down those that disagree with you on politics, seek and hope for failure of the current administration policies, there by hoping to be able to say "I told you so", means you are an American Patriot???

I certainly don't hope Obama's administration fails, and I haven't even listened to Rush Limbaugh since the election, but I would be surprised if Rush hopes President Obama fails. I want every president to be successful, because that is what's good for America. Rush may have some questions about whether Obama's economic policies are good or will work, but that is not the same thing as hoping Obama's administration fails to help the US economy.

But speaking of that, I know many people who wanted to see Bush's administration and policies in Iraq fail. They were all over the web-sites. One man told me that he wanted to "see the United States defeated and defeated badly" in Iraq. (I'm glad he didn't get to see that.) Some people hated Bush so much that they were happy to see American troops lose if only it meant defeating Bush's administration. It was no secret.

I don't feel that way. I hope President Obama succeeds in his foreign policy and in his economic plans.

[Neil D]

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Yes. Jesus would listen to Rush. (And does) Even Jesus enjoys him.

Speaking for Jesus are we???? I don't see any prophetic works that says "Jesus listens to Rush Limbaugh." and I would challenge any prophet who became pollitical...

Rush believes in the 'boot straps' approach rather than hand outs. IOWs .. Rush wants to teach a man to fish rather than handing him fish.

If one can find boot straps to pull up, that would be fine....but we are looking at going shoeless unless things change....and change now...Such is the short sightedness of those who would rather promote thier agenda....

[Woody]

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If one can find boot straps to pull up, that would be fine....we are looking at going shoeless unless things change

The only reason you don't have staps to pull yourself up with ... is because you threw your boots at Bush. Now you are shoeless and clueless. If only you had given the man a chance to succeed as President. The nation would not be in the 'shoeless' condition that it is in now.

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Speaking for Jesus are we???? I don't see any prophetic works that says "Jesus listens to Rush Limbaugh

As a Christian I KNOW that Jesus listens to ALL of us. Jesus does not stop listening to Rush just because some extreme liberals speak lies about him ... just as they spoke lies about GWB.

[Neil D]

The only reason you don't have staps to pull yourself up with ... is because you threw your boots at Bush. Now you are shoeless and clueless. If only you had given the man a chance to succeed as President. The nation would not be in the 'shoeless' condition that it is in now.

[there buster]

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And he was not only addicted but broke the law to obtain drugs himself.

Actually, no. He was accused, but not convicted.

[there buster]

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none of you has chosen to argue with the contention that listening to Limbaugh leads to ineffective functioning in the real world

Two Reasons.

1. G. K. Chesterton : You can't argue a man out of something he wasn't argued into.

2. Ad hominem attacks are cheap shots, whatever the merits of the ideas of the target.

And the more the 'party of compassion' takes cheap shots at their opponents, the sooner the public will wise up.

[Dr. Shane]

Street drug addicts get addicted because of rebellion.

Very simplistic, and maybe willingly ignorant of the topic.

I am a recovered drug addict and have spent 23 years attending 12 step groups which help drug addicts. I doubt anyone on this board has more knowledge about the subject than I do. There may be a few that know as much as I do but a seriously doubt any know more. I consider myself an expert on the subject and anyone thinking I am ignorant obviously doesn't know what they are talking about otherwise they wouldn't make such foolish accusations.

[Dr. Shane]

It just astonishes me that so many Christians listen to this guy and defend him,

In the origins forum we are asked not to call into question the sincerity of other people's faith based on their belief on origins. I think the same should apply with politics. God-fearing, dedicated Christians can disagree on politics. We shouldn't question another's faith because they hold a different political position than we do.

[Dr. Shane]

I certainly don't hope Obama's administration fails, and I haven't even listened to Rush Limbaugh since the election, but I would be surprised if Rush hopes President Obama fails.

Rush wants Obama to fail because he doesn't believe Obama's plan will work. Rush wants the same results that Obama wants but does not think that Obama's BS (bail-outs & stimulus) is going to make it happen.

[Neil D]

Originally Posted By: CoAspen

Street drug addicts get addicted because of rebellion.

Very simplistic, and maybe willingly ignorant of the topic.

I am a recovered drug addict and have spent 23 years attending 12 step groups which help drug addicts. I doubt anyone on this board has more knowledge about the subject than I do. There may be a few that know as much as I do but a seriously doubt any know more. I consider myself an expert on the subject and anyone thinking I am ignorant obviously doesn't know what they are talking about otherwise they wouldn't make such foolish accusations.

I have heard enough postering...

On this board, I have seen on many an occasion, the more someone trys to show himself an authority, the more foolish he looks. I am reminded of a proverb....Better to be thought of as a fool, than to open mouth and remove all doubt....

A little humility here folks....Just because YOUR experience does not jive with someone elses is absolutely NO reason to go off the deep end...and it doesn't mean that thier experience is to be negated by you...

If anything, when someone disputes you, it is an oppertunity to show your understanding of the subject....and to explain/teach what you know about the subject.Not to parade your laurals..

[Bravus]

I don't think that's what I was doing, and apologise if it sounded like it. I didn't mean to imply that those who listen to Rush aren't Christians or good Christians, I was simply expressing my own astonishment about the apparent mismatch.

I don't care what any of you do, and I'm quite happy to withdraw the sentiment in that form, and just say that I think listening to that show and shows like it impairs your ability to function well in the world.

[Bravus]

Oh yeah, and:

[John317]

Will give it a go, if he's webcast.

OK, not sure you can get him that way. Would you be willing to buy some of his taped radio broadcasts? Just an idea.

Here's part of what Rush said recently on his radio show about wanting Obama to fail.

(Personally I disagree with him on that, but he has a right to express his views.)

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RUSH: I got a request here from a major American print publication. "Dear Rush: For the Obama [immaculate] Inauguration we are asking a handful of very prominent politicians, statesmen, scholars, businessmen, commentators, and economists to write 400 words on their hope for the Obama presidency. We would love to include you. If you could send us 400 words on your hope for the Obama presidency, we need it by Monday night, that would be ideal." Now, we're caught in this trap again. The premise is, what is your "hope." My hope, and please understand me when I say this. I disagree fervently with the people on our side of the aisle who have caved and who say, "Well, I hope he succeeds. We've got to give him a chance." Why? They didn't give Bush a chance in 2000. Before he was inaugurated the search-and-destroy mission had begun. I'm not talking about search-and-destroy, but I've been listening to Barack Obama for a year-and-a-half. I know what his politics are. I know what his plans are, as he has stated them. I don't want them to succeed.

If I wanted Obama to succeed, I'd be happy the Republicans have laid down. And I would be encouraging Republicans to lay down and support him. Look, what he's talking about is the absorption of as much of the private sector by the US government as possible, from the banking business, to the mortgage industry, the automobile business, to health care. I do not want the government in charge of all of these things. I don't want this to work. So I'm thinking of replying to the guy, "Okay, I'll send you a response, but I don't need 400 words, I need four: I hope he fails." (interruption) What are you laughing at? See, here's the point. Everybody thinks it's outrageous to say. Look, even my staff, "Oh, you can't do that." Why not? Why is it any different, what's new, what is unfair about my saying I hope liberalism fails? Liberalism is our problem. Liberalism is what's gotten us dangerously close to the precipice here. Why do I want more of it? I don't care what the Drive-By story is. I would be honored if the Drive-By Media headlined me all day long: "Limbaugh: I Hope Obama Fails." Somebody's gotta say it.

Were the liberals out there hoping Bush succeeded or were they out there trying to destroy him before he was even inaugurated? Why do we have to play the game by their rules? Why do we have to accept the premise here that because of the historical nature of his presidency, that we want him to succeed? This is affirmative action, if we do that. We want to promote failure, we want to promote incompetence, we want to stand by and not object to what he's doing simply because of the color of his skin? Sorry. I got past the historical nature of this months ago. He is the president of the United States, he's my president, he's a human being, and his ideas and policies are what count for me, not his skin color, not his past, not whatever ties he doesn't have to being down with the struggle, all of that's irrelevant to me. We're talking about my country, the United States of America, my nieces, my nephews, your kids, your grandkids. Why in the world do we want to saddle them with more liberalism and socialism? Why would I want to do that? So I can answer it, four words, "I hope he fails." And that would be the most outrageous thing anybody in this climate could say. Shows you just how far gone we are. Well, I know, I know. I am the last man standing.

Frankly, I think Rush has a very good point, but I still don't want Obama to fail. I don't want him to make our country socialist-- so to that extent, if that's Obama's plan-- I do hope he fails in that aspect; but I hope that he succeeds in being a great president.

[Woody]

Oh yeah, and:

I wish the making fun of someone who struggled and overcame addictions ... would END.

[Bravus]

But you're happy to make jibes about Obama's struggle to overcome his smoking addiction?

Honestly, it *all*, 100% comes down to who is doing something, with you guys, rather than the right and wrong of the thing itself.

If Bush was proposing the exact same bailout package Obama is, it'd be the greatest thing since the invention of the world, absolutely essential to kickstart the economy, and anyone who questioned it would be painted as wanting America to fail.