Members phkrause Posted April 4, 2009 Members Share Posted April 4, 2009 I'm not sure what is meant by Libertarian, only because it means different things to different groups or people. I consider my self a Christian, an Adventist Christian. Some that I know would say that I'm a liberal SDA, but there are those that say I'm conservative, some say very conservative and some would say very liberal. I think it all depends what the issue is I guess. I have a hard time with labels because of that reason. The same with politics, I personally can't stand politics because it just makes us all do stupid things, or say stupid things. So if you tell me what you feel what a libertarian is, I'll let you know if I think that fits me. pk Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatLakesGramma Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Whatever it means to other people, there is only one Libertarian Party. Quote Catherine God is the strength of my heart and my portion forever. Psalm 73:26. "To be a Christian means to forgive the inexcusable, because God has forgiven the inexcusable in you." -- C. S. Lewis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted April 4, 2009 Moderators Share Posted April 4, 2009 Reminders are only needed when someone needs reminding. Surely after all the recent discussions, *and* Stan's big 'sticky' thread as a reminder, people get it. Political content, political forum. No reminder *should* be necessary, but apparently it still is. Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Yes Bravus. We do keep hearing you. But it is done and over with. Let's not disrupt the thread. Not sure why you keep beating a dead horse. Therefore ... I declare your post .. OUT OF ORDER. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted April 5, 2009 Moderators Share Posted April 5, 2009 The post has now been moved. The issue will be done and over with when people post political posts in the Politics forum, not Town Hall. Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 The post has now been moved. The issue will be done and over with when people post political posts in the Politics forum, not Town Hall. Ahh. We can all rest easy now ... Bravus is at peace. Surely there are better things to make waves over. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Bravus Posted April 5, 2009 Moderators Share Posted April 5, 2009 Quote Truth is important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted April 5, 2009 Members Share Posted April 5, 2009 Well bravus now that you are happy I can sleep better. :):) hahahaha Have a good week bravus. pk Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberGuy Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 I voted for Obama, I am african american. I find the photo a bit offensive, but nothing out of the norm for this forum. This country was and is heading down a slippery slope well before the current administration. I don't put my faith in this country anyway. Don't get me wrong, I love my country. My hope, our only hope, is in Jesus Christ, and being ready when He returns. Per bible prophecy America has a certain prominent role to play in current events. That role will be carried out no matter which party, or President is in power. The USA of the fifties and sixties is gone, never to return. As was mentioned in the thread today concerning the shootings in upstate New York: we have not seen anything yet. Last day events will be rapid. Hold on to your seats. DB That is the problem with having a black president. Anyone pokes fun at him and they accused of being racist. Even Saturday Night Live seems to be treading softly when it comes to poking fun at Obama. No one want to be accused of being racist. The sign was obvious refering to america heading down the socialist path and the attempted destruction of our capitalist system by the current adminstration. Even as socialist as Europe is they are accusing the US of being to socialistic in Obamas policies. Quote Riverside CA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kountzer Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Who accused anyone of being racist in this thread?? Quote I prayed for twenty years but received no answer until I prayed with my legs. Frederick Douglass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Well Kountzer ... I think the overtones were pretty clear. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Gerr Posted April 5, 2009 Moderators Share Posted April 5, 2009 Did anyone have a similar tombstone made when Carter or Clinton become president? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Gerr Posted April 5, 2009 Moderators Share Posted April 5, 2009 Well Kountzer ... I think the overtones were pretty clear. If you have not suffered the indignities that Blacks and some other minorities have suffered, then you'll never understand. If you think his post had such "overtones", what do you think are the "overtones" or the undertones of that RIP tombstone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 The 'overtones' Gerry ... are that Obama is a lousy president who is destroying this democracy. What do you call forcing a huge bill that destroys the US ... down the the throats of Americans without even allowing ANYone to read what it is? Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberGuy Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Originally Posted By: Redwood Well Kountzer ... I think the overtones were pretty clear. If you have not suffered the indignities that Blacks and some other minorities have suffered, then you'll never understand. If you think his post had such "overtones", what do you think are the "overtones" or the undertones of that RIP tombstone? There is more. It is reported that Obama had a meetting of the democratic congresspeople and told them that if they did not vote for his budget they would know who they were. Now that is a very strong THREAT. When a president start to threatening congresspeople into voting the way the president wants then we have the beginning of a dictatorship. That is something we CANNOT tolerate. Quote Riverside CA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Good Point CyberGuy. I agree ... Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Key Guy Posted April 5, 2009 Author Share Posted April 5, 2009 Obama refuses TARP repayment.... Why? From: Stuart Varney, http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123879833094588163.html Quote: I must be naive. I really thought the administration would welcome the return of bank bailout money. Some $340 million in TARP cash flowed back this week from four small banks in Louisiana, New York, Indiana and California. This isn't much when we routinely talk in trillions, but clearly that money has not been wasted or otherwise sunk down Wall Street's black hole. So why no cheering as the cash comes back? My answer: The government wants to control the banks, just as it now controls GM and Chrysler, and will surely control the health industry in the not-too-distant future. Keeping them TARP-stuffed is the key to control. And for this intensely political president, mere influence is not enough. The White House wants to tell 'em what to do. Control. Direct. Command. It is not for nothing that rage has been turned on those wicked financiers. The banks are at the core of the administration's thrust: By managing the money, government can steer the whole economy even more firmly down the left fork in the road. If the banks are forced to keep TARP cash -- which was often forced on them in the first place -- the Obama team can work its will on the financial system to unprecedented degree. That's what's happening right now. Here's a true story first reported by my Fox News colleague Andrew Napolitano (with the names and some details obscured to prevent retaliation). Under the Bush team a prominent and profitable bank, under threat of a damaging public audit, was forced to accept less than $1 billion of TARP money. The government insisted on buying a new class of preferred stock which gave it a tiny, minority position. The money flowed to the bank. Arguably, back then, the Bush administration was acting for purely economic reasons. It wanted to recapitalize the banks to halt a financial panic. Fast forward to today, and that same bank is begging to give the money back. The chairman offers to write a check, now, with interest. He's been sitting on the cash for months and has felt the dead hand of government threatening to run his business and dictate pay scales. He sees the writing on the wall and he wants out. But the Obama team says no, since unlike the smaller banks that gave their TARP money back, this bank is far more prominent. The bank has also been threatened with "adverse" consequences if its chairman persists. That's politics talking, not economics. Think about it: If Rick Wagoner can be fired and compact cars can be mandated, why can't a bank with a vault full of TARP money be told where to lend? And since politics drives this administration, why can't special loans and terms be offered to favored constituents, favored industries, or even favored regions? Our prosperity has never been based on the political allocation of credit -- until now. Which brings me to the Pay for Performance Act, just passed by the House. This is an outstanding example of class warfare. I'm an Englishman. We invented class warfare, and I know it when I see it. This legislation allows the administration to dictate pay for anyone working in any company that takes a dime of TARP money. This is a whip with which to thrash the unpopular bankers, a tool to advance the Obama administration's goal of controlling the financial system. After 35 years in America, I never thought I would see this. I still can't quite believe we will sit by as this crisis is used to hand control of our economy over to government. But here we are, on the brink. Clearly, I have been naive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted April 5, 2009 Moderators Share Posted April 5, 2009 The politicians and greedy, irresponsible Americans have been strangling America for several decades now. And who have been presidents for all that time? All the overt hysteria from the right wing on this forum is so ridiculous. In 72 days this country has been "destroyed", become "socialist" blah, blah , blah. Is your fear so overwhelming that you are losing all sense of perspective? This so bizarre! Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Laz .. Never before has the nation faced .. King Obama. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted April 5, 2009 Moderators Share Posted April 5, 2009 There is more. It is reported that Obama had a meetting of the democratic congresspeople and told them that if they did not vote for his budget they would know who they were. Now that is a very strong THREAT. When a president start to threatening congresspeople into voting the way the president wants then we have the beginning of a dictatorship. That is something we CANNOT tolerate. So Bush was the 1st American dictator by that measure. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Originally Posted By: Gerry Cabalo The politicians and greedy, irresponsible Americans have been strangling America for several decades now. And who have been presidents for all that time? All the overt hysteria from the right wing on this forum is so ridiculous. In 72 days this country has been "destroyed", become "socialist" blah, blah , blah. Is your fear so overwhelming that you are losing all sense of perspective? This so bizarre! I can't speak for the others but no hysteria here. You can claim Obama is not socialist all you want and it does not alter facts concerning him or what so far has taken place. In his books,Obama's words,no one else's he spells out quite clearly what and who shaped his ideology. For me it isn't so much Obama as those standing in line for the privilege of holding his coat. Many here have said they believe Bush lied about Iraq. Yet,among those that claim to have a problem with Bush lying to them do not have a problem with Obama. It wasn't what they felt was the lie,it was who they thought had told it. I am sure you read where Neil did not feel comfortable answering the questions concerning his feeling about Obama lying. Neil created or tried a diversion by making it my responsibility why he would not answer. If you as others believe Bush lied and are so disturbed by that,then you must also be as disturbed that Obama has lied. There is no question he did,both in words and actions. As our president it didn't seem to bother him putting private citizens at risk for his lie. With the nut jobs out there and he and others fueling this sham someone could have gotten hurt. These were families he was targeting AS PRESIDENT Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted April 5, 2009 Moderators Share Posted April 5, 2009 I can't speak for the others but no hysteria here. You can claim Obama is not socialist all you want and it does not alter facts concerning him or what so far has taken place. I have not said that Obama is not a socialist. I don't have the fear of the word or the ideas of socialism. Its not a pejorative word to me. Tony Blair is a member of the Christian Socialist association in the UK. To be a socialist is not at sin. It actually politically a plus. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 Originally Posted By: bonnie I can't speak for the others but no hysteria here. You can claim Obama is not socialist all you want and it does not alter facts concerning him or what so far has taken place. I have not said that Obama is not a socialist. I don't have the fear of the word or the ideas of socialism. Its not a pejorative word to me. Tony Blair is a member of the Christian Socialist association in the UK. To be a socialist is not at sin. It actually politically a plus. The problem comes in with socialism when you do not state such. Socialaism as a thinly described democrat is. He may have been elected as a socialist anyway. For sometime this country has been flirting with and holding out their hands for government to take care of them. But for Obama to pretend he is not is a lie. A lie is a lie no matter how you choose to color it. To base an entire presidency on a lie,people knowing it is a lie,wanting it to continue is a little disturbing The US was not founded on socialism.It was founded on freedoms Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members phkrause Posted April 5, 2009 Members Share Posted April 5, 2009 Lazarus, I think that that is an understatement. pk Quote phkrause By the decree enforcing the institution of the papacy in violation of the law of God, our nation will disconnect herself fully from righteousness. When Protestantism shall stretch her hand across the gulf to grasp the hand of the Roman power, when she shall reach over the abyss to clasp hands with spiritualism, when, under the influence of this threefold union, our country shall repudiate every principle of its Constitution as a Protestant and republican government, and shall make provision for the propagation of papal falsehoods and delusions, then we may know that the time has come for the marvelous working of Satan and that the end is near. {5T 451.1} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators lazarus Posted April 5, 2009 Moderators Share Posted April 5, 2009 Quote: The US was not founded on socialism.It was founded on freedoms The two are not mutually exclusive. Your logic is faulty. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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